Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 19:09, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 23:01, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: However, many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different paradigm and understand what is underneath what they do.

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 06:20, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 08:12, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Graham Smith
Stephen There was a version for LaTeX http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/latex4wp/latex4wp.pdf This looks useful, thanks. Graham

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 19:09, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 23:01, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: However, many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different paradigm and understand what is underneath what they do.

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 06:20, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 08:12, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Graham Smith
Stephen There was a version for LaTeX http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/latex4wp/latex4wp.pdf This looks useful, thanks. Graham

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 19:09, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: >> On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >>> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 23:01, Rich Shepard wrote: > However, > many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want > them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different > paradigm and understand what is underneath what they

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 06:20, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: >> On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > >> > 3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and >> > WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 08:12, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > > This has been done for R at > http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume > familiarity with Excel

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Graham Smith
Stephen > There was a version for LaTeX > http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/latex4wp/latex4wp.pdf > > This looks useful, thanks. Graham

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me that

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread stefano franchi
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-24 Thread Ronen Abravanel
Translated my stuff to english: http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/ probably there are some grammar problems. use freely. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have semantic import/export filters in addition to visual ones for

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Julien Rioux
On 24/03/2011 2:09 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have semantic import/export

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rob Oakes
Hi Steve, I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by semantic import/export, but if you mean exporting the text marked up with (empty) styles and the (empty) style definitions so all I have to do with the MSWord file is fill in the styles, then I'm on it like a squirrel on a tree. Let me

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me that

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread stefano franchi
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-24 Thread Ronen Abravanel
Translated my stuff to english: http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/ probably there are some grammar problems. use freely. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have semantic import/export filters in addition to visual ones for

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Julien Rioux
On 24/03/2011 2:09 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have semantic import/export

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rob Oakes
Hi Steve, I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by semantic import/export, but if you mean exporting the text marked up with (empty) styles and the (empty) style definitions so all I have to do with the MSWord file is fill in the styles, then I'm on it like a squirrel on a tree. Let me

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: >> As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can >> LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip >> will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: > >>> As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can >>> LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: >>> On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: >> As for Word/OO<-->LyX

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread stefano franchi
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >>> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote:

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-24 Thread Ronen Abravanel
Translated my stuff to english: http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/ probably there are some grammar problems. use freely. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel wrote: > >> >

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: > > On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > >> This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... > > > > I think we should have "semantic" import/export filters in addition to > >

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Julien Rioux
On 24/03/2011 2:09 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have "semantic" import/export

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rob Oakes
Hi Steve, > I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by "semantic import/export", but if you > mean exporting the text marked up with (empty) styles and the (empty) style > definitions so all I have to do with the MSWord file is fill in the styles, > then I'm on it like a squirrel on a tree. Let

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 3) Not WYSIWYG. Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive. They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like dealing with compile errors all that much. 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the error is (either over the file itself or some

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same) in R. There have also been

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
Rainer, I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in the sense that: Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread, I

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread george legge
Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX; but you have omitted what to me is the most significant: Try using Word to compile a long book with many illustrations, often with 3 graphics to a page. Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child documents,

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread stefano franchi
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: If I were going to enumerate the good things about LyX, it would be something like this: * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based competitors. * It deletes unintentional double spaces and

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Ronen Abravanel
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote: How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. department, and I

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote: department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of what can I do and how can I do that. If there is nothing

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: From: Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com Subject: Re: LyX Promotion To: Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com Cc: LyX Devel lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:34 AM On Wed

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me that a more reasonable goal would be to

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote: Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am, from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there. Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 3) Not WYSIWYG. Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive. They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like dealing with compile errors all that much. 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the error is (either over the file itself or some

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same) in R. There have also been

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote: One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
Rainer, I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in the sense that: Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread, I

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread george legge
Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX; but you have omitted what to me is the most significant: Try using Word to compile a long book with many illustrations, often with 3 graphics to a page. Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child documents,

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread stefano franchi
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: If I were going to enumerate the good things about LyX, it would be something like this: * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based competitors. * It deletes unintentional double spaces and

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Ronen Abravanel
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote: How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. department, and I

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote: department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of what can I do and how can I do that. If there is nothing

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: From: Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com Subject: Re: LyX Promotion To: Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com Cc: LyX Devel lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:34 AM On Wed

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me that a more reasonable goal would be to

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote: Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am, from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there. Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: > On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > > 3) Not WYSIWYG. Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and > > WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive. > > They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
> 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile > errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like > dealing with compile errors all that much. > 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the > error is (either over the file itself or some

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same) in R. There have also been

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > > This has been done for R at > http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume > familiarity

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
Rainer, I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the > issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to > enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in > the sense that: > Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread,

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread george legge
Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX; but you have omitted what to me is the most significant: Try using Word to compile a long book with many illustrations, often with 3 graphics to a page. Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child documents,

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize >> LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional >> materials to help. Would it be worthwhile

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread stefano franchi
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> >> If I were going to enumerate the good things about >> LyX, it would be something like this: >> >> * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based >> competitors. >> * It deletes unintentional

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Ronen Abravanel
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel > wrote: > > How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my > > > I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. > > > >

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel wrote: >> > department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what >> > scene >> > LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration >> > of >> > what can I do and how can I do that. >> > >> >

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: LyX Promotion > To: "Graham Smith" <myotis...@gmail.com> > Cc: "LyX Devel" <lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org>, lyx-u

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that >> Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they >> seem to think of it as a

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: > As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can > LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip > will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me > that a more reasonable goal would

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote: Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am, from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there. Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote: When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Manolo Martínez
There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the resulting pdf? It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you looking into its properties- was made with LyX. M

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the resulting pdf? Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created

tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
Dear all I think this is a very good idea. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 11:58:22 Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote: When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more

Re: LyX Promotion - use outside academia

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
On 22/03/11 15:51, Rob Oakes wrote: Dear Users and Developers, Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint. Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I think it's a silly

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Op 22-3-2011 17:59, Steve Litt schreef: The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint. You would have loved the new LyX Presentation Mode:

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
On 22/03/11 16:38, Liviu Andronic wrote: Dear all I think this is a very good idea. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Ronen Abravanel
How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of what can I do and how can I do that. If there is nothing better, I can

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote: How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene LyX is different from word,

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote: While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread David L. Johnson
On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like dealing with compile errors all that much. With LyX you should not get compile errors unless you are doing

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote: When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Manolo Martínez
There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the resulting pdf? It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you looking into its properties- was made with LyX. M

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a made with LyX tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the resulting pdf? Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created

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