Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2014-05-08, Bieniasz wrote:
 Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX?

 I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
 of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

 I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
 problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
 Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
 for this font. 

Yes, no bold math is a known (and documented) limitation of the standard 
LaTeX package for Times fonts.

 Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
 under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
 supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
 All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
 works OK for them.

There are other font packages with the same limitation.

 I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
 so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
 constructively to my messages. 

This may be due to the type of question. I never used the svmono class and
have no idea what it is or which packages it (in turn) requires.
Also, as this is a LaTeX limitation, the LyX list is less likely to bring an
adequate answer. I know that this is not you fault, but maybe it can explain
you the nonresponsiveness.


 Or, maybe there are better solutions?

There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
packages for Times-compatible maths. 

I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
integral sign).

A (German) survey can be found at
http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html


In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble. I don't know
if there may be problems in use combined with svmono, if yes, please post a
minimal example.

 Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
 a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
 Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Whiel isomath cannot solve the font problem if there is no font, I still
recommend it for reasons obvious to any reader of the documentation ;-)

Günter



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-05-09 11:36 GMT+02:00 Guenter Milde:

 There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
 packages for Times-compatible maths.

 I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
 integral sign).

 A (German) survey can be found at
 http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html


 In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble.


LyX 2.1 also has GUI support (Document  Settings  Fonts  Math).

Jürgen


Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2014-05-08, Bieniasz wrote:
 Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX?

 I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
 of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

 I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
 problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
 Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
 for this font. 

Yes, no bold math is a known (and documented) limitation of the standard 
LaTeX package for Times fonts.

 Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
 under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
 supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
 All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
 works OK for them.

There are other font packages with the same limitation.

 I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
 so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
 constructively to my messages. 

This may be due to the type of question. I never used the svmono class and
have no idea what it is or which packages it (in turn) requires.
Also, as this is a LaTeX limitation, the LyX list is less likely to bring an
adequate answer. I know that this is not you fault, but maybe it can explain
you the nonresponsiveness.


 Or, maybe there are better solutions?

There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
packages for Times-compatible maths. 

I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
integral sign).

A (German) survey can be found at
http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html


In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble. I don't know
if there may be problems in use combined with svmono, if yes, please post a
minimal example.

 Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
 a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
 Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Whiel isomath cannot solve the font problem if there is no font, I still
recommend it for reasons obvious to any reader of the documentation ;-)

Günter



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-05-09 11:36 GMT+02:00 Guenter Milde:

 There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
 packages for Times-compatible maths.

 I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
 integral sign).

 A (German) survey can be found at
 http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html


 In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble.


LyX 2.1 also has GUI support (Document  Settings  Fonts  Math).

Jürgen


Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2014-05-08, Bieniasz wrote:
> Richard Heck  lyx.org> writes:

>> Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX?

> I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
> of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

> I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
> problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
> Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
> for this font. 

Yes, no bold math is a known (and documented) limitation of the standard 
LaTeX package for Times fonts.

> Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
> under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
> supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
> All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
> works OK for them.

There are other font packages with the same limitation.

> I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
> so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
> constructively to my messages. 

This may be due to the type of question. I never used the svmono class and
have no idea what it is or which packages it (in turn) requires.
Also, as this is a LaTeX limitation, the LyX list is less likely to bring an
adequate answer. I know that this is not you fault, but maybe it can explain
you the nonresponsiveness.


> Or, maybe there are better solutions?

There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
packages for Times-compatible maths. 

I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
integral sign).

A (German) survey can be found at
http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html


In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble. I don't know
if there may be problems in use combined with svmono, if yes, please post a
minimal example.

> Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
> a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
> Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Whiel isomath cannot solve the font problem if there is no font, I still
recommend it for reasons obvious to any reader of the documentation ;-)

Günter



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-05-09 11:36 GMT+02:00 Guenter Milde:

> There are better solutions: there are a number of alternative font
> packages for Times-compatible maths.
>
> I recommend http://www.ctan.org/pkg/newtx (although I don't like its
> integral sign).
>
> A (German) survey can be found at
> http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/Matheschriften/matheschriften.html
>
>
> In LyX these packages could be specified in the user preamble.


LyX 2.1 also has GUI support (Document > Settings > Fonts > Math).

Jürgen


Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
 particular classes,
 especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
 
 Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw




Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
 particular classes,
 especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
 
 Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw




Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz
Richard Heck  lyx.org> writes:

> Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
> particular classes,
> especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
> 
> Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw




Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck  lyx.org> writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-07 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/05/2014 06:27 AM, Bieniasz wrote:


Hello,

About a year ago I asked about the problem that I have while using
the svmono class. I have done some additional tests and it seems
to me that there must be some bug in the LyX template for svmono.
So, if the author of this template reads my message, I would appreciate
some help. The problem is as follows:

I need to use the font \boldsymbol in the equation editor.
This font is properly visible under LyX, but when I generate a pdf
file, then the font looks identical as the standard equation
editor font (that is the letters are not thicker). I suspect that
this is a bug in the svmono LyX template, because the problem does
not occur in the default document template of LyX, that is when the svmono
class is not used. In the latter case the font looks properly in pdf files.

I hope there is some way to fix this problem ?


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
particular classes,

especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-07 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/05/2014 06:27 AM, Bieniasz wrote:


Hello,

About a year ago I asked about the problem that I have while using
the svmono class. I have done some additional tests and it seems
to me that there must be some bug in the LyX template for svmono.
So, if the author of this template reads my message, I would appreciate
some help. The problem is as follows:

I need to use the font \boldsymbol in the equation editor.
This font is properly visible under LyX, but when I generate a pdf
file, then the font looks identical as the standard equation
editor font (that is the letters are not thicker). I suspect that
this is a bug in the svmono LyX template, because the problem does
not occur in the default document template of LyX, that is when the svmono
class is not used. In the latter case the font looks properly in pdf files.

I hope there is some way to fix this problem ?


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
particular classes,

especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard



Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-07 Thread Richard Heck

On 05/05/2014 06:27 AM, Bieniasz wrote:


Hello,

About a year ago I asked about the problem that I have while using
the svmono class. I have done some additional tests and it seems
to me that there must be some bug in the LyX template for svmono.
So, if the author of this template reads my message, I would appreciate
some help. The problem is as follows:

I need to use the font \boldsymbol in the equation editor.
This font is properly visible under LyX, but when I generate a pdf
file, then the font looks identical as the standard equation
editor font (that is the letters are not thicker). I suspect that
this is a bug in the svmono LyX template, because the problem does
not occur in the default document template of LyX, that is when the svmono
class is not used. In the latter case the font looks properly in pdf files.

I hope there is some way to fix this problem ?


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
particular classes,

especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard