Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-10-28, Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:

...

 We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
 books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
 examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

If I remember right, we usually have one (or zero) example or template
per LyX layout (or document class). IMO, the number of templates that
ship with LyX should be limited to generic ones that can serve as a base
for a users custom templates.

OTOH, the LyX wiki would be a good place for additional, alternative
examples and templates. 

 Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
 are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
 When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
 folders.

This is a sensible structure for a templates wiki page...

Günter

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 06:56, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.


Yes.


Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.


A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always 
correct. There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, 
Diploma, Ph.D., ...


My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis) 
using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis 
template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script 
book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us 
what they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.



We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.


Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write 
a letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, 
this becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we 
can indeed do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for


- letters
- CVs
- Journal articles
- theses

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always correct.
 There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, Diploma, Ph.D.,
 ...

Books usually a bit fancy, chapter headings a bit fancy, not too
formal. For LaTeX expert might not be a problem to customize
everything. But are LyX users all LaTeX users? Some perhaps use LyX
just to get started.


 My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis)
 using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis
 template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script
 book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us what
 they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.


Perhaps, rather than one generic style, it could be thesis-typeA,
thesis-typeB without mentioning any university, so users feel
comfortable to choose and to customize it.


 Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write a
 letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, this
 becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we can indeed
 do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for

 - letters
 - CVs
 - Journal articles
 - theses


Perhaps using group prefix is another alternative to help users to
find (just like what appears in the document class), so it will be
organized automatically:
article-IEEEtran
article-elsevier
article-...
book-novel
book-art
book-...
cv-simple
cv-fancy
cv-...
letter-modelA
letter-...
presentation-simple
presentation-fancy
presentation-...
thesis-model-A
thesis-model-B
thesis-...
misc-..

Best Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-10-28, Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:

...

 We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
 books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
 examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

If I remember right, we usually have one (or zero) example or template
per LyX layout (or document class). IMO, the number of templates that
ship with LyX should be limited to generic ones that can serve as a base
for a users custom templates.

OTOH, the LyX wiki would be a good place for additional, alternative
examples and templates. 

 Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
 are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
 When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
 folders.

This is a sensible structure for a templates wiki page...

Günter

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 06:56, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.


Yes.


Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.


A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always 
correct. There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, 
Diploma, Ph.D., ...


My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis) 
using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis 
template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script 
book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us 
what they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.



We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.


Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write 
a letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, 
this becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we 
can indeed do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for


- letters
- CVs
- Journal articles
- theses

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always correct.
 There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, Diploma, Ph.D.,
 ...

Books usually a bit fancy, chapter headings a bit fancy, not too
formal. For LaTeX expert might not be a problem to customize
everything. But are LyX users all LaTeX users? Some perhaps use LyX
just to get started.


 My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis)
 using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis
 template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script
 book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us what
 they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.


Perhaps, rather than one generic style, it could be thesis-typeA,
thesis-typeB without mentioning any university, so users feel
comfortable to choose and to customize it.


 Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write a
 letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, this
 becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we can indeed
 do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for

 - letters
 - CVs
 - Journal articles
 - theses


Perhaps using group prefix is another alternative to help users to
find (just like what appears in the document class), so it will be
organized automatically:
article-IEEEtran
article-elsevier
article-...
book-novel
book-art
book-...
cv-simple
cv-fancy
cv-...
letter-modelA
letter-...
presentation-simple
presentation-fancy
presentation-...
thesis-model-A
thesis-model-B
thesis-...
misc-..

Best Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-10-28, Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:

...

> We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
> books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
> examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

If I remember right, we usually have one (or zero) example or template
per LyX layout (or document class). IMO, the number of templates that
ship with LyX should be limited to generic ones that can serve as a base
for a users custom templates.

OTOH, the LyX wiki would be a good place for additional, alternative
examples and templates. 

> Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
> are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
> When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
> folders.

This is a sensible structure for a templates wiki page...

Günter

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 06:56, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.


Yes.


Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.


A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always 
correct. There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, 
Diploma, Ph.D., ...


My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis) 
using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis 
template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script 
book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us 
what they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.



We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.


Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write 
a letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, 
this becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we 
can indeed do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for


- letters
- CVs
- Journal articles
- theses

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

>
> A thesis is basically a book. But even this statement is not always correct.
> There are different types of theses: for Bachelor, Master, Diploma, Ph.D.,
> ...

Books usually a bit fancy, chapter headings a bit fancy, not too
formal. For LaTeX expert might not be a problem to customize
everything. But are LyX users all LaTeX users? Some perhaps use LyX
just to get started.

>
> My experience is that for short theses (like a 30 page Bachelor thesis)
> using the article style is advantageous. I therefore designed the thesis
> template to be able to easily change the document class from KOMA-script
> book to article. OK, this can surely improved and users will report us what
> they want to be changed once LyX 2.0 is out.
>

Perhaps, rather than one generic style, it could be thesis-typeA,
thesis-typeB without mentioning any university, so users feel
comfortable to choose and to customize it.


> Until now we haven't grouped the templates. When somebody wants to write a
> letter, he will only look at the letter templates. But you are right, this
> becomes difficult with an increasing number of templates. What we can indeed
> do is to group the templates folder with subfolders for
>
> - letters
> - CVs
> - Journal articles
> - theses
>

Perhaps using group prefix is another alternative to help users to
find (just like what appears in the document class), so it will be
organized automatically:
article-IEEEtran
article-elsevier
article-...
book-novel
book-art
book-...
cv-simple
cv-fancy
cv-...
letter-modelA
letter-...
presentation-simple
presentation-fancy
presentation-...
thesis-model-A
thesis-model-B
thesis-...
misc-..

Best Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 26.10.2010 15:40, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did my 
best to learn through
the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and I'm 
sure that they are
quite simple for an experienced user


What do you want to know?

You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created for 
my university):

http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip

For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features like formatting the 
header/footer lines.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did
 my best to learn through
 the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
 however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and
 I'm sure that they are
 quite simple for an experienced user

 What do you want to know?

 You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created
 for my university):

 http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip

 For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features
 like formatting the header/footer lines.


Hi Uwe

What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too..
I have prepared recently a thesis template  in book(koma-script),
documented here:
http://sites.google.com/site/lyxthesistemplate
however the structure and the format are different with yours.
There are also some different formats from other universities found in
lyx wiki thesis example.

I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?

Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 03:02, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too.


It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its own thesis layout. 
Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the user a basic feeling how a thesis will look 
like. The template can easily be modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by moving Acknowledgements 
etc. to the backmatter.



I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?


You need to have LyX 2.0alpha6 (or wait for LyX 2.0 beta1) and then look at the thesis template. I'm 
open for every annotation. What do you think should be changed or simplified?



Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.


You're welcome.

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its
 own thesis layout. Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the
 user a basic feeling how a thesis will look like. The template can easily be
 modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
 For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by
 moving Acknowledgements etc. to the backmatter.

Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.

Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.

We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

However, this just a suggestion that could be considered by developers.

PS: I put cc to developers list.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 26.10.2010 15:40, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did my 
best to learn through
the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and I'm 
sure that they are
quite simple for an experienced user


What do you want to know?

You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created for 
my university):

http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip

For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features like formatting the 
header/footer lines.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did
 my best to learn through
 the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
 however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and
 I'm sure that they are
 quite simple for an experienced user

 What do you want to know?

 You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created
 for my university):

 http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip

 For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features
 like formatting the header/footer lines.


Hi Uwe

What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too..
I have prepared recently a thesis template  in book(koma-script),
documented here:
http://sites.google.com/site/lyxthesistemplate
however the structure and the format are different with yours.
There are also some different formats from other universities found in
lyx wiki thesis example.

I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?

Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 03:02, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too.


It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its own thesis layout. 
Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the user a basic feeling how a thesis will look 
like. The template can easily be modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by moving Acknowledgements 
etc. to the backmatter.



I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?


You need to have LyX 2.0alpha6 (or wait for LyX 2.0 beta1) and then look at the thesis template. I'm 
open for every annotation. What do you think should be changed or simplified?



Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.


You're welcome.

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

 It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its
 own thesis layout. Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the
 user a basic feeling how a thesis will look like. The template can easily be
 modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
 For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by
 moving Acknowledgements etc. to the backmatter.

Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.

Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.

We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

However, this just a suggestion that could be considered by developers.

PS: I put cc to developers list.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 26.10.2010 15:40, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did my 
best to learn through
the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and I'm 
sure that they are
quite simple for an experienced user


What do you want to know?

You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created for 
my university):

http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip

For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features like formatting the 
header/footer lines.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

>> I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I did
>> my best to learn through
>> the manual, this list and other examples, so to customise it to my needs.
>> however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to achieve and
>> I'm sure that they are
>> quite simple for an experienced user
>
> What do you want to know?
>
> You find the latest version of this template here (version that I created
> for my university):
>
> http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template-IMTEK.zip
>
> For LyX 2.0 I created an improved version that uses LyX 2.0 new features
> like formatting the header/footer lines.
>

Hi Uwe

What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too..
I have prepared recently a thesis template  in book(koma-script),
documented here:
http://sites.google.com/site/lyxthesistemplate
however the structure and the format are different with yours.
There are also some different formats from other universities found in
lyx wiki thesis example.

I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?

Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 28.10.2010 03:02, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto:


What would be the LyX thesis template in LyX 2.0, there will be only
one example based on your template or from others too.


It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its own thesis layout. 
Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the user a basic feeling how a thesis will look 
like. The template can easily be modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by moving Acknowledgements 
etc. to the backmatter.



I am just wondering, how can I contribute and participate in providing
thesis example?


You need to have LyX 2.0alpha6 (or wait for LyX 2.0 beta1) and then look at the thesis template. I'm 
open for every annotation. What do you think should be changed or simplified?



Sorry for joining this discussion as I think this is relevant.


You're welcome.

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

> It is a derivative of my thesis template. Of course every University has its
> own thesis layout. Therefore the thesis template is designed to give the
> user a basic feeling how a thesis will look like. The template can easily be
> modified to fulfill the requirements of every university.
> For example to get the structure of your thesis template can be achieved by
> moving Acknowledgements etc. to the backmatter.

Actually all lists in my thesis template is in frontmatter, I guess
you mean frontmatter.

Anyway, in users perspective; it might be useful if the lyx templates
are grouped into three types (folders): articles, books, and theses.
When users open new documents from templates, they will see three
folders.

We have already various article templates, but don't have thesis and
books. So my suggestion, under thesis and books there are also several
examples. Users can choose which one they can start with to customize.

However, this just a suggestion that could be considered by developers.

PS: I put cc to developers list.

Regards
Waluyo

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

Dear all,

I hope you are doing well!
I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I  
did my best to learn through the manual, this list and other  
examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to  
achieve and I'm sure that they are quite simple for an experienced user


I was wondering if somebody out there could help me out in finishing  
the document formatting?


I'll trade any help for a pack of tennis lessons! :)

thank you

regards

João Maia


On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis  
with LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but  
LyX itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0  
will have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

Dear all,

I hope you are doing well!
I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I  
did my best to learn through the manual, this list and other  
examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to  
achieve and I'm sure that they are quite simple for an experienced user


I was wondering if somebody out there could help me out in finishing  
the document formatting?


I'll trade any help for a pack of tennis lessons! :)

thank you

regards

João Maia


On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis  
with LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but  
LyX itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0  
will have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

Dear all,

I hope you are doing well!
I've used and modified the template that Uwe sent some months ago. I  
did my best to learn through the manual, this list and other  
examples, so to customise it to my needs.
however, there are some formatting details that I've failed to  
achieve and I'm sure that they are quite simple for an experienced user


I was wondering if somebody out there could help me out in finishing  
the document formatting?


I'll trade any help for a pack of tennis lessons! :)

thank you

regards

João Maia


On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis  
with LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but  
LyX itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0  
will have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Uwe,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for
 LyX:

 python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o

 It the --html a new option and what is it for?

The --html option was in fact added to version 0.21; it is used to
export to HTML 4.0 (as opposed to XHTML). The reason is that office
suites (including Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org) can import
HTML, but not XHTML.

 In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
 exporter.

 We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by
 tex4ht:

 htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'

 I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I
 therefore cannot answer you that question.

It would appear that htlatex also has an option to export some kind of
format better suited to Word. My proposal is to use this format HTML
(MS Word) but with eLyXer as the converter. I think it could work
even better than with htlatex. If you think it's a good idea I can
easily provide a patch.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
 there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
 the end of the document?

Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
0.43.

By the way, you said before:

 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
export to Word is not worthwhile.

If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Liviu Andronic]

On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
  export to Word is not worthwhile.

What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?
Liviu

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
  export to Word is not worthwhile.

 What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?

As far as I know, the situation is the same. I have tried importing
XHTML, HTML and MathML and it works just like Word: XHTML (including
MathML) doesn't work, text is recognized, subtitles are fine, anything
beyond that is botched. I don't know if there is any route other than
HTML to get LyX into OpenOffice.org.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see. Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

BTW, most documents I need to convert have this format, notes to the
end. In economics is quite common.

Thanks for the good job.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Julio,

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
 there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
 the end of the document?

 Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
 However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
 0.43.

 By the way, you said before:

 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
 work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
 perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
 and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
 want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
 export to Word is not worthwhile.

 If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
 not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
 equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
 document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

 Well, this and
 the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi again,

 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
 not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
 equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
 document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.

 I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
 not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
 into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
 equations?

 Well, this and
 the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

 OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Ehud Kaplan]

Just for the hell of it I tried to convert a recent paper with equations 
to HTML-- the whole thing was converted properly, but the equations were 
mostly mangled...


EK

On 03/19/2010 10:02 AM, Julio Rojas wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandezely...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojasjcredbe...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.
   

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

 

Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.
   

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

 


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual  Computational Neuroscience
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural  Chemical Biology,
The Mount Sinai School of Medicine
One Gustave Levy Place
NY, NY, 10029

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
 standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
 macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
 even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
 were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
 would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.

 But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
 placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
 transition from Lyx to OO/Word.

I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
conversion process?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
 standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
 macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
 even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
 were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
 would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

 I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
 converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
 images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
 mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
 current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

 As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
 them properly.

 But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
 placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
 transition from Lyx to OO/Word.

 I will try to come up with something.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[william.croc...@analog.com]

Alex:

Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
work you have done with elyxer.

Bill

Alex Fernandez wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.


I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.


But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.


I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
 on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
 be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
 the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
 conversion process?

I can only speculate: eLyXer generates PNG files (using ImageMagick)
when converting SVG or EPS, in order to use them from within HTML
documents. If they correspond to your SVG files then they may have
been generated by eLyXer (and should be used in the HTML document). If
they correspond to your equations then they are the result of some
other HTML converter which exports equations as little pictures.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Bill,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM, william.croc...@analog.com
william.croc...@analog.com wrote:
 Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
 when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
 work you have done with elyxer.

Thanks! I have lots of fun working on eLyXer.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Uwe,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for
 LyX:

 python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o

 It the --html a new option and what is it for?

The --html option was in fact added to version 0.21; it is used to
export to HTML 4.0 (as opposed to XHTML). The reason is that office
suites (including Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org) can import
HTML, but not XHTML.

 In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
 exporter.

 We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by
 tex4ht:

 htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'

 I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I
 therefore cannot answer you that question.

It would appear that htlatex also has an option to export some kind of
format better suited to Word. My proposal is to use this format HTML
(MS Word) but with eLyXer as the converter. I think it could work
even better than with htlatex. If you think it's a good idea I can
easily provide a patch.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
 there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
 the end of the document?

Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
0.43.

By the way, you said before:

 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
export to Word is not worthwhile.

If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Liviu Andronic]

On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
  export to Word is not worthwhile.

What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?
Liviu

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
  export to Word is not worthwhile.

 What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?

As far as I know, the situation is the same. I have tried importing
XHTML, HTML and MathML and it works just like Word: XHTML (including
MathML) doesn't work, text is recognized, subtitles are fine, anything
beyond that is botched. I don't know if there is any route other than
HTML to get LyX into OpenOffice.org.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see. Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

BTW, most documents I need to convert have this format, notes to the
end. In economics is quite common.

Thanks for the good job.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Julio,

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
 there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
 the end of the document?

 Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
 However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
 0.43.

 By the way, you said before:

 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

 I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
 work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
 perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
 and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
 want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
 export to Word is not worthwhile.

 If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
 not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
 equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
 document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

 Well, this and
 the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi again,

 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
 not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
 equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
 document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.

 I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
 not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
 into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
 equations?

 Well, this and
 the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

 OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Ehud Kaplan]

Just for the hell of it I tried to convert a recent paper with equations 
to HTML-- the whole thing was converted properly, but the equations were 
mostly mangled...


EK

On 03/19/2010 10:02 AM, Julio Rojas wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandezely...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojasjcredbe...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.
   

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

 

Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.
   

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

 


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual  Computational Neuroscience
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural  Chemical Biology,
The Mount Sinai School of Medicine
One Gustave Levy Place
NY, NY, 10029

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
 standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
 macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
 even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
 were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
 would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.

 But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
 placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
 transition from Lyx to OO/Word.

I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
conversion process?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
 standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
 macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
 even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
 were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
 would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.

 I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
 converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
 images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
 mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
 current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

 As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
 them properly.

 But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
 placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
 transition from Lyx to OO/Word.

 I will try to come up with something.

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[william.croc...@analog.com]

Alex:

Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
work you have done with elyxer.

Bill

Alex Fernandez wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer understanding macros. That's all.


I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.


But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a --nomath flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.


I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
 on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
 be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
 the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
 conversion process?

I can only speculate: eLyXer generates PNG files (using ImageMagick)
when converting SVG or EPS, in order to use them from within HTML
documents. If they correspond to your SVG files then they may have
been generated by eLyXer (and should be used in the HTML document). If
they correspond to your equations then they are the result of some
other HTML converter which exports equations as little pictures.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Bill,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM, william.croc...@analog.com
william.croc...@analog.com wrote:
 Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
 when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
 work you have done with elyxer.

Thanks! I have lots of fun working on eLyXer.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Uwe,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
> Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for
> LyX:
>
> python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o
>
> It the --html a new option and what is it for?

The --html option was in fact added to version 0.21; it is used to
export to HTML 4.0 (as opposed to XHTML). The reason is that office
suites (including Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org) can import
HTML, but not XHTML.

>> In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
>> exporter.
>
> We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by
> tex4ht:
>
> htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'
>
> I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I
> therefore cannot answer you that question.

It would appear that htlatex also has an option to export some kind of
format better suited to Word. My proposal is to use this format "HTML
(MS Word)" but with eLyXer as the converter. I think it could work
even better than with htlatex. If you think it's a good idea I can
easily provide a patch.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
> there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a "Notes" section at
> the end of the document?

Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
0.43.

By the way, you said before:

> Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
> mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
> for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
> I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
export to Word is not worthwhile.

If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Liviu Andronic]

On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
>  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
>  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
>  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
>  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
>  export to Word is not worthwhile.
>
What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?
Liviu

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Liviu Andronic  wrote:
> On 3/19/10, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
>> I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
>>  work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
>>  perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
>>  and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
>>  want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
>>  export to Word is not worthwhile.
>>
> What about OpenOffice? Does it handle better equations import?

As far as I know, the situation is the same. I have tried importing
XHTML, HTML and MathML and it works just like Word: XHTML (including
MathML) doesn't work, text is recognized, subtitles are fine, anything
beyond that is botched. I don't know if there is any route other than
HTML to get LyX into OpenOffice.org.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see. Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

BTW, most documents I need to convert have this format, notes to the
end. In economics is quite common.

Thanks for the good job.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> Hi Julio,
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
>> Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
>> there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a "Notes" section at
>> the end of the document?
>
> Not at the moment, as it might be confused with the bibliography.
> However you are not the first to ask, so I will try to add it for
> 0.43.
>
> By the way, you said before:
>
>> Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
>> mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
>> for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
>> I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.
>
> I don't want to give you false hopes: importing into MS Word should
> work well with text, but math (formulae and macros) will never be
> perfect. Importing equations is hard; Word has its own equation editor
> and it will not read LaTeX, HTML with CSS, MathML or anything else you
> want to throw at it. So after some thought waiting for math macros to
> export to Word is not worthwhile.
>
> If you have any other improvements in mind for eLyXer please let me know.
>
> Alex.
>

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
> not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
> equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
> document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

> Well, this and
> the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer "understanding" macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a "--nomath" flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
>> Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
>> not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
>> equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
>> document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.
>
> I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
> not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
> into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
> equations?
>
>> Well, this and
>> the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.
>
> OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.
>
> Alex.
>

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Ehud Kaplan]

Just for the hell of it I tried to convert a recent paper with equations 
to HTML-- the whole thing was converted properly, but the equations were 
mostly mangled...


EK

On 03/19/2010 10:02 AM, Julio Rojas wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer "understanding" macros. That's all.

But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a "--nomath" flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
   

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
 

Yeah Alex, you are right. What I wanted to say is that math macros are
not recognized and equations give errors as a consequence. Images for
equations are rendered but they are not included in the resulting HTML
document. This, at least, is what I would like to see.
   

I am not sure if I understand correctly. So you would prefer equations
not to appear at all in the HTML document, so they are not imported
into office documents? Something like a --nomath option to skip math
equations?

 

Well, this and
the possibility of sending notes to the end of the document.
   

OK, I will certainly try to add --footend to 0.43.

Alex.

 


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual&  Computational Neuroscience
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural&  Chemical Biology,
The Mount Sinai School of Medicine
One Gustave Levy Place
NY, NY, 10029

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
> standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
> macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
> even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
> were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
> would really like to see elyxer "understanding" macros. That's all.

I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.

> But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a "--nomath" flag that puts
> placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
> transition from Lyx to OO/Word.

I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
conversion process?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
>> Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
>> standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
>> macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
>> even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
>> were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
>> would really like to see elyxer "understanding" macros. That's all.
>
> I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
> converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
> images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
> mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
> current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
>  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html
>
> As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
> them properly.
>
>> But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a "--nomath" flag that puts
>> placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
>> transition from Lyx to OO/Word.
>
> I will try to come up with something.
>
> Alex.
>

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[william.croc...@analog.com]

Alex:

Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
work you have done with elyxer.

Bill

Alex Fernandez wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:

Of course I want to see equations, and this feature works fine with
standard equations. But some notation I use for my work is defined as
macros. I tried to export one of my papers to HTML with elyxer and
even though equations were rendered as images (in JPG files), they
were not included in the HTML, giving out an error with the macros. I
would really like to see elyxer "understanding" macros. That's all.


I am sorry, but I am positively sure that you used a different
converter: eLyXer does not (and never did) convert equations to JPEG
images. It has always tried to do some CSS trickery to make them look
mostly good, but after a certain point it will not come out good. The
current status is usually shown in the Math showcase:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html

As to macros, they should not be hard to support once I understand
them properly.


But your's is not a bad idea. Maybe a "--nomath" flag that puts
placeholders where equations are supposed to appear would help the
transition from Lyx to OO/Word.


I will try to come up with something.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> I'm sorry, I said it from the top of my head. I have a bunch of PNGs
> on the same folder as the HTML document. I thought they were going to
> be used in the HTML, but it seems from your statement that this is not
> the case. So why are this PNGs on this folder? Are they part of the
> conversion process?

I can only speculate: eLyXer generates PNG files (using ImageMagick)
when converting SVG or EPS, in order to use them from within HTML
documents. If they correspond to your SVG files then they may have
been generated by eLyXer (and should be used in the HTML document). If
they correspond to your equations then they are the result of some
other HTML converter which exports equations as little pictures.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Bill,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM, william.croc...@analog.com
 wrote:
> Once again, and I am sure I speak for all
> when I say how much we appreciate the exceptional
> work you have done with elyxer.

Thanks! I have lots of fun working on eLyXer.

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
the end of the document?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Julio,

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

 I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
 they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
 them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
 page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
 MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.

 I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
 version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 08:39, schrieb Alex Fernandez:


Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
   Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  
Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
   elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
   python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o


Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for LyX:

python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o

It the --html a new option and what is it for?


In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter.


We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by tex4ht:

htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'

I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I therefore cannot answer 
you that question.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a Notes section at
the end of the document?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Julio,

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

 I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
 they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
 them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
 page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
 MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.

 I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
 version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 08:39, schrieb Alex Fernandez:


Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
   Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  
Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
   elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
   python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o


Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for LyX:

python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o

It the --html a new option and what is it for?


In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter.


We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by tex4ht:

htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'

I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I therefore cannot answer 
you that question.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Good news Alex. I'll be waiting for your announcement. BTW, is it
there a flag that can be used to put footnotes in a "Notes" section at
the end of the document?
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> Hi Julio,
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
>> Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
>> mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
>> for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
>> I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.
>
> I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
> they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
> them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
> page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
> MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.
>
> I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
> version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
>  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html
>
> Alex.
>

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 08:39, schrieb Alex Fernandez:


Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
   Tools>  Preferences>  External formats>  Converters>  LyX to HTML>  
Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
   elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
   python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o


Why the explicit --html option? As you know we use this call as default for LyX:

python -m elyxer --directory $$r $$i $$o

It the --html a new option and what is it for?


In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter.


We have a special export format names HTML (MS Word) that is created by tex4ht:

htlatex $$i 'html,word' 'symbol/!' '-cvalidate'

I don't know the difference between html and this special html variant. I therefore cannot answer 
you that question.


regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi João,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:

 Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
 world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
 with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
 well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
 on the end of the doc)

 I propose to use eLyXer
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
 import HTML.

Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
  Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o

In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
that effect?

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

Best regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi João,

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:

 Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
 world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
 with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
 well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
 on the end of the doc)

 I propose to use eLyXer
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
 import HTML.

 Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
 standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
  Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  
 Converter:
 just add the --html option as the first one:
  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
 or
  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o

 In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
 exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
 that effect?

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.

I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi João,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:

 Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
 world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
 with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
 well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
 on the end of the doc)

 I propose to use eLyXer
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
 import HTML.

Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
  Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o

In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
that effect?

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

Best regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi João,

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
 Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:

 Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
 world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
 with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
 well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
 on the end of the doc)

 I propose to use eLyXer
 http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
 to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
 import HTML.

 Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
 standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
  Tools  Preferences  External formats  Converters  LyX to HTML  
 Converter:
 just add the --html option as the first one:
  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
 or
  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o

 In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
 exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
 that effect?

 Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
 mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
 for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
 I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.

I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi João,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
> Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:
>
>> Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
>> world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
>> with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
>> well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
>> on the end of the doc)
>
> I propose to use eLyXer
> http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
> to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
> import HTML.

Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
  Tools > Preferences > External formats > Converters > LyX to HTML > Converter:
just add the --html option as the first one:
  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
or
  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o

In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
that effect?

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

Best regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:
> Hi João,
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
>> Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:
>>
>>> Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
>>> world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
>>> with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
>>> well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
>>> on the end of the doc)
>>
>> I propose to use eLyXer
>> http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
>> to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to
>> import HTML.
>
> Yes, just be sure to run eLyXer with the --html flag, either
> standalone or changing the converter line from within LyX:
>  Tools > Preferences > External formats > Converters > LyX to HTML > 
> Converter:
> just add the --html option as the first one:
>  elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
> or
>  python -m elyxer.py --html --directory $$r $$i $$o
>
> In fact, I don't see why eLyXer should not be the default Word
> exporter. Uwe, do you think it would be worthwhile to send a patch to
> that effect?
>
> Alex.
>

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Alex Fernandez]

Hi Julio,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Dear Alex. That might be a good idea, but I think elyxer needs to
> mature a little bit more before turning it into the default converter
> for  MS Word. For example, it doesn't handle math macros at all, which
> I use constantly. For more simpler documents it's fine, I think.

I used to think that macros were impossible to handle, but now I think
they can be done without excessive trouble. I am planning to support
them in the not-too-distant future. Also I have plans for creating one
page per section (with navigation links between them) and support for
MathML; both of these features are in varying stages of completion.

I will let the list know when they are ready. Today I am releasing
version 0.42, for those interested you can check out the changelog:
  http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/changelog.html

Alex.

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis with  
LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but LyX  
itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0 will  
have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip


hey all,

i'm very new to Lyx, even though all the warnings about the learning  
curve I decided to give it a try
I'm transferring all my previous MS word writings to lyx into some  
template that I found somewhere


It has been difficult and I really don't have the mental frame right  
now to deep study the manuals, as I'm wrapping up my phd thesis, but  
I tried, really. however I'm quite illiterate when it comes to code  
and that has been my major barrier


the best thing I ever did though, was to sign in for this list. For  
the last month I've learned a lot, this community is wonderful.


This email from Uwe just blowed me away, I was really needing this  
sort of template!! Thank you!


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside  
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but  
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text  
as well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text,  
but not on the end of the doc)


I'm using macOS 10.4 and lyx 1.65

Thank you so much!

all the best and keep up the enthusiastic work!

João Maia

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
on the end of the doc)


I propose to use eLyXer
http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to 
import HTML.

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis with  
LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but LyX  
itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0 will  
have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip


hey all,

i'm very new to Lyx, even though all the warnings about the learning  
curve I decided to give it a try
I'm transferring all my previous MS word writings to lyx into some  
template that I found somewhere


It has been difficult and I really don't have the mental frame right  
now to deep study the manuals, as I'm wrapping up my phd thesis, but  
I tried, really. however I'm quite illiterate when it comes to code  
and that has been my major barrier


the best thing I ever did though, was to sign in for this list. For  
the last month I've learned a lot, this community is wonderful.


This email from Uwe just blowed me away, I was really needing this  
sort of template!! Thank you!


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside  
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but  
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text  
as well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text,  
but not on the end of the doc)


I'm using macOS 10.4 and lyx 1.65

Thank you so much!

all the best and keep up the enthusiastic work!

João Maia

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
on the end of the doc)


I propose to use eLyXer
http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to 
import HTML.

regards Uwe

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[João Maia e Silva]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

there was often the question on this LyX how to write a thesis with  
LyX. There are many templates available on the Internet but LyX  
itself does not yet have one. The next major LyX version 2.0 will  
have one.


The template can be found here as ZIP-file:
http://fkurth.de/uwest/LyX/ThesisTemplate/Diss-Template.zip


hey all,

i'm very new to Lyx, even though all the warnings about the learning  
curve I decided to give it a try
I'm transferring all my previous MS word writings to lyx into some  
template that I found somewhere


It has been difficult and I really don't have the mental frame right  
now to deep study the manuals, as I'm wrapping up my phd thesis, but  
I tried, really. however I'm quite illiterate when it comes to code  
and that has been my major barrier


the best thing I ever did though, was to sign in for this list. For  
the last month I've learned a lot, this community is wonderful.


This email from Uwe just blowed me away, I was really needing this  
sort of template!! Thank you!


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside  
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but  
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text  
as well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text,  
but not on the end of the doc)


I'm using macOS 10.4 and lyx 1.65

Thank you so much!

all the best and keep up the enthusiastic work!

João Maia

Re: announce: template to write Ph.D. theses with LyX

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2010 01:14, schrieb João Maia e Silva:


Now, one new comers question! how do you communicate with the outside
world, without using the pdf? the rtf converter is not that bad, but
with my experience, I'm failing to integrate the images on the text as
well as the bibliography (the references label goes on the text, but not
on the end of the doc)


I propose to use eLyXer
http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/
to convert your LyX file into HTML. Almost all office programs are able to 
import HTML.

regards Uwe