Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joachim Osnabryg o...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 = Has anyone installed Aspell or CocoAspell under Mac-OSX and has got them
 working with LyX in a reasonable manner?
 Would you please describe how you installed and configured it?

 joachim



I'm glad you asked this question. I needed to add a Spanish language
dictionary to cocoAspell and with a little googling and command line work, I
got it working.

The cocoAspell project appears moribund, the documentation is incomplete,
and the site is beginning to suffer from link rot. I think the next time I
need to install and configure LyX, I'll just install aspell using Fink and
eschew using cocoAspell to make it available as an OS X service.

First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX as an
English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.

cocoAspell installs a number of things. It installs aspell itself in
/usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib. It installs a preference pane in system
preferences. It installs a large number of English dictionaries. It installs
a service in ~/Library/Services. That's all OK. If you want the aspell
service available in all user accounts, you'll need to move that last item,
as root, to /Library/Services (you'll probably have to create that
directory). If you just need the service available in the account from which
you installed it, just leave things as cocoAspell installed it.

You'll need to choose one of the available English dictionaries in the
preference pane. Then in LyX preferences you choose aspell as the
spellchecker and add this line to the Alternative Language field:

/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-en-6.0-0/english.alias


That's just following the instructions in the Wiki. Test that you can now
spellcheck an English language document in LyX.


Next, you'll need to download and install a German language dictionary. The
link at the cocoAspell site is dead. Use this one:


ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html


Unzip the file and follow the README  instructions to install the dictionary
into aspell (it's the usual command line sequence of ./configure, make, make
install, make clean).


Now copy or move the dictionary directory (in my case it
is aspell6-es-1.9a-1) to /Library/Application Support/cocoAspell. Chown the
directory to match the English language directory ownership (it should be
the name of your admin account as owner and 501 as group).


Here's the tricky step. Be sure System Preferences is not running. Get into
the command line and become root. Run System Preferences as root! Don't use
the open command, instead give the full path to the executable:


/Applications/System\ Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System\ Preferences


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences. Reopen
it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


To use your new dictionary, change the Alternative Language field in LyX
preferences appropriately. In my case, it's:


/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-es-1.9a-1/spanish.alias


Voilà! I now have Spanish language spellchecking in LyX.

-- Rich TalleyMacTeXLive 2008 - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro (Intel) OS X 10.5.8 Leopard

-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Joachim Osnabryg]

Thank you very much, Richard, for your kindly and detailed help!

First I uninstalled the aspell installed with MacPorts and tried to follow  
your instructions.


Am 28.08.2009, 14:25 Uhr, schrieb Richard Talley:
First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX  
as an

English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.


At least to that point I came. I wouldn't call it straight forward but  
the concentrated work of some hours, but anyway, the English language  
spellchecker seems to work usably in my LyX, if I needed it.


I continued with installing and configuring the German language dictionary:


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it  
finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences.  
Reopen

it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


OK, so far.

Only: the crazy German spellchecking in LyX continued as yesterday.

So I give up. I'm going to uninstall CocoAspell as well and shall use LyX  
without spellchecker. Sorry though!


Congratulation to you, for getting usable the Spanish dict. But  
nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and  
unacceptable for a normal LyX user. I remain with the conclusion:


German language Aspell spellchecking in LyX on Mac-OSX is not practicable!

joachim
--
MacTeXLive 2008 - TeXShop 2.18-svn - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro OSX 10.4.11 Tiger (intel)

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Joachim Osnabryg o...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 But nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and
 unacceptable for a normal LyX user.


Yes. Like so many things with computers.

Sorry you couldn't get it working. Perhaps things will be better with LyX
2.0.

-- Rich
-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joachim Osnabryg o...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 = Has anyone installed Aspell or CocoAspell under Mac-OSX and has got them
 working with LyX in a reasonable manner?
 Would you please describe how you installed and configured it?

 joachim



I'm glad you asked this question. I needed to add a Spanish language
dictionary to cocoAspell and with a little googling and command line work, I
got it working.

The cocoAspell project appears moribund, the documentation is incomplete,
and the site is beginning to suffer from link rot. I think the next time I
need to install and configure LyX, I'll just install aspell using Fink and
eschew using cocoAspell to make it available as an OS X service.

First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX as an
English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.

cocoAspell installs a number of things. It installs aspell itself in
/usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib. It installs a preference pane in system
preferences. It installs a large number of English dictionaries. It installs
a service in ~/Library/Services. That's all OK. If you want the aspell
service available in all user accounts, you'll need to move that last item,
as root, to /Library/Services (you'll probably have to create that
directory). If you just need the service available in the account from which
you installed it, just leave things as cocoAspell installed it.

You'll need to choose one of the available English dictionaries in the
preference pane. Then in LyX preferences you choose aspell as the
spellchecker and add this line to the Alternative Language field:

/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-en-6.0-0/english.alias


That's just following the instructions in the Wiki. Test that you can now
spellcheck an English language document in LyX.


Next, you'll need to download and install a German language dictionary. The
link at the cocoAspell site is dead. Use this one:


ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html


Unzip the file and follow the README  instructions to install the dictionary
into aspell (it's the usual command line sequence of ./configure, make, make
install, make clean).


Now copy or move the dictionary directory (in my case it
is aspell6-es-1.9a-1) to /Library/Application Support/cocoAspell. Chown the
directory to match the English language directory ownership (it should be
the name of your admin account as owner and 501 as group).


Here's the tricky step. Be sure System Preferences is not running. Get into
the command line and become root. Run System Preferences as root! Don't use
the open command, instead give the full path to the executable:


/Applications/System\ Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System\ Preferences


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences. Reopen
it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


To use your new dictionary, change the Alternative Language field in LyX
preferences appropriately. In my case, it's:


/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-es-1.9a-1/spanish.alias


Voilà! I now have Spanish language spellchecking in LyX.

-- Rich TalleyMacTeXLive 2008 - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro (Intel) OS X 10.5.8 Leopard

-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Joachim Osnabryg]

Thank you very much, Richard, for your kindly and detailed help!

First I uninstalled the aspell installed with MacPorts and tried to follow  
your instructions.


Am 28.08.2009, 14:25 Uhr, schrieb Richard Talley:
First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX  
as an

English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.


At least to that point I came. I wouldn't call it straight forward but  
the concentrated work of some hours, but anyway, the English language  
spellchecker seems to work usably in my LyX, if I needed it.


I continued with installing and configuring the German language dictionary:


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it  
finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences.  
Reopen

it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


OK, so far.

Only: the crazy German spellchecking in LyX continued as yesterday.

So I give up. I'm going to uninstall CocoAspell as well and shall use LyX  
without spellchecker. Sorry though!


Congratulation to you, for getting usable the Spanish dict. But  
nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and  
unacceptable for a normal LyX user. I remain with the conclusion:


German language Aspell spellchecking in LyX on Mac-OSX is not practicable!

joachim
--
MacTeXLive 2008 - TeXShop 2.18-svn - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro OSX 10.4.11 Tiger (intel)

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Joachim Osnabryg o...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 But nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and
 unacceptable for a normal LyX user.


Yes. Like so many things with computers.

Sorry you couldn't get it working. Perhaps things will be better with LyX
2.0.

-- Rich
-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joachim Osnabryg  wrote:

>
> => Has anyone installed Aspell or CocoAspell under Mac-OSX and has got them
> working with LyX in a reasonable manner?
> Would you please describe how you installed and configured it?
>
> joachim
>


I'm glad you asked this question. I needed to add a Spanish language
dictionary to cocoAspell and with a little googling and command line work, I
got it working.

The cocoAspell project appears moribund, the documentation is incomplete,
and the site is beginning to suffer from link rot. I think the next time I
need to install and configure LyX, I'll just install aspell using Fink and
eschew using cocoAspell to make it available as an OS X service.

First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX as an
English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.

cocoAspell installs a number of things. It installs aspell itself in
/usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib. It installs a preference pane in system
preferences. It installs a large number of English dictionaries. It installs
a service in ~/Library/Services. That's all OK. If you want the aspell
service available in all user accounts, you'll need to move that last item,
as root, to /Library/Services (you'll probably have to create that
directory). If you just need the service available in the account from which
you installed it, just leave things as cocoAspell installed it.

You'll need to choose one of the available English dictionaries in the
preference pane. Then in LyX preferences you choose aspell as the
spellchecker and add this line to the Alternative Language field:

/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-en-6.0-0/english.alias


That's just following the instructions in the Wiki. Test that you can now
spellcheck an English language document in LyX.


Next, you'll need to download and install a German language dictionary. The
link at the cocoAspell site is dead. Use this one:


ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html


Unzip the file and follow the README  instructions to install the dictionary
into aspell (it's the usual command line sequence of ./configure, make, make
install, make clean).


Now copy or move the dictionary directory (in my case it
is aspell6-es-1.9a-1) to /Library/Application Support/cocoAspell. Chown the
directory to match the English language directory ownership (it should be
the name of your admin account as owner and 501 as group).


Here's the tricky step. Be sure System Preferences is not running. Get into
the command line and become root. Run System Preferences as root! Don't use
the open command, instead give the full path to the executable:


/Applications/System\ Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System\ Preferences


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences. Reopen
it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


To use your new dictionary, change the Alternative Language field in LyX
preferences appropriately. In my case, it's:


/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/aspell6-es-1.9a-1/spanish.alias


Voilà! I now have Spanish language spellchecking in LyX.

-- Rich TalleyMacTeXLive 2008 - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro (Intel) OS X 10.5.8 Leopard

-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Joachim Osnabryg]

Thank you very much, Richard, for your kindly and detailed help!

First I uninstalled the aspell installed with MacPorts and tried to follow  
your instructions.


Am 28.08.2009, 14:25 Uhr, schrieb Richard Talley:
First, install cocoAspell and make sure it's working properly with LyX  
as an

English language spellchecker. That's pretty straight forward.


At least to that point I came. I wouldn't call it "straight forward" but  
the concentrated work of some hours, but anyway, the English language  
spellchecker seems to work usably in my LyX, if I needed it.


I continued with installing and configuring the German language dictionary:


Do one thing and one thing only while running System Preferences as root.
Click on the Spelling preference pane that cocoAspell installed so it  
finds,
compiles and configures your new dictionary. Quit System Preferences.  
Reopen

it from the GUI. You should now be able to choose your new dictionary.


OK, so far.

Only: the crazy German "spellchecking" in LyX continued as yesterday.

So I give up. I'm going to uninstall CocoAspell as well and shall use LyX  
without spellchecker. Sorry though!


Congratulation to you, for getting usable the Spanish dict. But  
nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and  
unacceptable for a normal LyX user. I remain with the conclusion:


German language Aspell spellchecking in LyX on Mac-OSX is not practicable!

joachim
--
MacTeXLive 2008 - TeXShop 2.18-svn - LyX 1.6.3
MacBook Pro OSX 10.4.11 Tiger (intel)

Re: aspell, cocoaspell with lyx - a fake?

[Richard Talley]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Joachim Osnabryg  wrote:

>
> But nevertheless I regard this complicated procedure as unreasonable and
> unacceptable for a normal LyX user.


Yes. Like so many things with computers.

Sorry you couldn't get it working. Perhaps things will be better with LyX
2.0.

-- Rich
-- 
Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to
handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. -- Alan
Perlis