Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Apart from other options mentioned in this thread, what about staying with
4.x? You might by even lucky that snap/flatpack package already exists for
4.x and you could likely stay with that solution for quite a long time...


Pavel,

My response inadvertently went to the dev list and not stored in sent-mail
so this is a much shorter response.

JabRef-5.x no longer requires a specific version of Oracles JRE; it's
provided with the application.

Thanks for the thought.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Pavel Sanda]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:26:45AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've lost the

Apart from other options mentioned in this thread, what about staying with 4.x?
You might by even lucky that snap/flatpack package already exists for 4.x and 
you
could likely stay with that solution for quite a long time...

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020, Neal Becker wrote:


I'll just warn you that last time I tried biblatex with ieee the spacing
looked wrong, bibliography took to much space


Neal,

My skimmed reading of the manual suggests that's adjustable. Also, any
document I produce for a project that contains references and a bibliography
is sent to clients and regulators. The last journal article I published was
four years ago in The Journal of Regulatory Science. I don't get points for
publishing, only for assisting clients.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Neal Becker]

I'll just warn you that last time I tried  biblatex with ieee the spacing
looked wrong, bibliography took to much space

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:04 PM Rich Shepard  wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020, V K wrote:
>
> > I'm historian, so never used this style – I need verbose ones (and even
> > heavily modified one of them). So can said nothing about this style.
> > Biblatex uses biber, so I think this is correct.
>
> Valdemaras,
>
> The biblatex.pdf says it's tied to biber, but also mentions the two other
> LyX options. I assumed that biber is preferred so I'm going with that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[V K]

 




On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 05:59:43 AM GMT+3, Rich Shepard 
 wrote:


On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Rich Shepard wrote:

> I think I've found a solution, and it might work for you, too: pubs
> . Will report after I read the docs and take
> it for a test drive. Since there's so much wildland fire smoke here I'm
> staying indoors (except to collect the mail when it comes). Visibility in
> the orange air is not much more than 100 m.

A long close look taught me that some of the pubs requirements are not to be
found. So this is not an option.

The feedback I received on Zotera convinced me to switch from JabRef to
that, using the extensions mentioned.

I've skimmed the August 2020 biblatex.pdf and want to confirm that I've
properly reconfigured LyX to use it rather than bibtex. I had been using
bibtex (authoryear mode). Now I've changed the sttings as shown in the
attached screenshot. I believe that the Citation style and Bibliography
style are the biblatex equivalents of the bibtex styles I've used. I also
believe that the Bibliography generation processor should be set to 'biber'
and not the other choices. Is this correct?

Thanks,


Rich
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I'm historian, so never used this style – I need verbose ones (and even heavily 
modified one of them). So can said nothing about this style. Biblatex uses 
biber, so I think this is correct.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020, V K wrote:


I'm historian, so never used this style – I need verbose ones (and even
heavily modified one of them). So can said nothing about this style.
Biblatex uses biber, so I think this is correct.


Valdemaras,

The biblatex.pdf says it's tied to biber, but also mentions the two other
LyX options. I assumed that biber is preferred so I'm going with that.

Thanks,

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Rich Shepard wrote:


I think I've found a solution, and it might work for you, too: pubs
. Will report after I read the docs and take
it for a test drive. Since there's so much wildland fire smoke here I'm
staying indoors (except to collect the mail when it comes). Visibility in
the orange air is not much more than 100 m.


A long close look taught me that some of the pubs requirements are not to be
found. So this is not an option.

The feedback I received on Zotera convinced me to switch from JabRef to
that, using the extensions mentioned.

I've skimmed the August 2020 biblatex.pdf and want to confirm that I've
properly reconfigured LyX to use it rather than bibtex. I had been using
bibtex (authoryear mode). Now I've changed the sttings as shown in the
attached screenshot. I believe that the Citation style and Bibliography
style are the biblatex equivalents of the bibtex styles I've used. I also
believe that the Bibliography generation processor should be set to 'biber'
and not the other choices. Is this correct?

Thanks,

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[V K]

 








On Friday, September 11, 2020, 07:26:56 PM GMT+3, Rich Shepard 
 wrote:


I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've lost the
emacs keyboard chords that were present from 1.x through 4.x so to edit an
abstract, for example, I need to use the arrow and Del keys. And, they've
changed the UI so some data entry tabs have their widgets on the left half
of the application window and the entry preview on the right halt. But,
accessing the right-hand column of the data entry widgets must be done blind
because that half window cannot be expanded to the right. Serious PITA. Yes,
I've filed bug issues on both but nothing's been fixed. I've tried using
KDE's bibliography tool but that was equally frustrating. And Zotero doesn't
use bibtex.

Since I'm not a full-time researcher I don't need to share the bibiography
with collaborators and I will not store it somewhere in the cloud; my data,
my network. I also don't particularly care for a GUI; text-based works for
me since that's how I do most of my work (except when using LyX).

I've about 1,200 books and PDFs in the bibtex database and other than
entering new documents I want to search primarily by keywords, secondarily
by authors.

Does anyone know of a CLI bibliographic tool? Or a basic one with a GUI that
Just Works(TM)?

TIA,

Rich

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I'm using Zotero with two extensions:

Betterbib(la)tex https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/ to work with 
biblatex. You can configure almost everything, for example, export to biblatex 
options – see https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/exporting/scripting/ and 
so on.

Lyz https://github.com/willsALMANJ/lyz to connect Zotero and Lyx so you can 
cite in Lyx from Zotero and use bib file generated by Betterbib(la)tex.

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re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[V K]

 


On Friday, September 11, 2020, 07:26:56 PM GMT+3, Rich Shepard 
 wrote:


I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've lost the
emacs keyboard chords that were present from 1.x through 4.x so to edit an
abstract, for example, I need to use the arrow and Del keys. And, they've
changed the UI so some data entry tabs have their widgets on the left half
of the application window and the entry preview on the right halt. But,
accessing the right-hand column of the data entry widgets must be done blind
because that half window cannot be expanded to the right. Serious PITA. Yes,
I've filed bug issues on both but nothing's been fixed. I've tried using
KDE's bibliography tool but that was equally frustrating. And Zotero doesn't
use bibtex.

Since I'm not a full-time researcher I don't need to share the bibiography
with collaborators and I will not store it somewhere in the cloud; my data,
my network. I also don't particularly care for a GUI; text-based works for
me since that's how I do most of my work (except when using LyX).

I've about 1,200 books and PDFs in the bibtex database and other than
entering new documents I want to search primarily by keywords, secondarily
by authors.

Does anyone know of a CLI bibliographic tool? Or a basic one with a GUI that
Just Works(TM)?

TIA,

Rich

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I'm using Zotero with two extensions:

Betterbib(la)tex https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/ to work with 
biblatex. You can configure almost everything, for example, export to biblatex 
options – see https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/exporting/scripting/ and 
so on.

Lyz https://github.com/willsALMANJ/lyz to connect Zotero and Lyx so you can 
cite in Lyx from Zotero and use bib file generated by Betterbib(la)tex.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, V K wrote:


I'm using Zotero with two extensions:



Betterbib(la)tex https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/ to work with
biblatex. You can configure almost everything, for example, export to
biblatex options – see
https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/exporting/scripting/ and so on.



Lyz https://github.com/willsALMANJ/lyz to connect Zotero and Lyx so you
can cite in Lyx from Zotero and use bib file generated by
Betterbib(la)tex.


Valdemaras,

Thanks.

Carpe weekend,

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Chris Menzel wrote:


The Better BibTeX Zotero plug-in
(https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/) beautifully integrates Zotero
and BibTeX. I did an initial import of my (very large) BibTeX file into
Zotero and now use Zotero exclusively, relying on the plug-in to update my
BibTeX file whenever I make changes in Zotero. It's only one-way
integration — you can't modify your BibTeX file and expect those changes
to be reflected in Zotero, but I have frankly not found any reason to work
on my BibTeX file directly since switching to this method. HERE

is a helpful blog post about it by Calgary logician Richard Zach.


Chris,

Thanks. I've looked at several potential command line alternatives but
they're apparently no longer supported or have required pieces I cannot
find. Sigh.

I'll add BBT to Zotero and read about the differences between bibtex and
biblatex; perhaps it is time to migrate to the latter.

I'm a touch-typist and much prefer to work using only the keypad. All my
editors are configured to use the emacs shortcuts so JabRef losing that
capability is a big deal for me.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Chris Menzel]

Rich,

The Better BibTeX Zotero plug-in
(https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/) beautifully
integrates Zotero and BibTeX. I did an initial import of my (very large)
BibTeX file into Zotero and now use Zotero exclusively, relying on the
plug-in to update my BibTeX file whenever I make changes in Zotero. It's
only one-way integration — you can't modify your BibTeX file and expect
those changes to be reflected in Zotero, but I have frankly not found any
reason to work on my BibTeX file directly since switching to this method.
HERE

is a helpful blog post about it by Calgary logician Richard Zach.

-chris


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've lost
> the
> emacs keyboard chords that were present from 1.x through 4.x so to edit an
> abstract, for example, I need to use the arrow and Del keys. And, they've
> changed the UI so some data entry tabs have their widgets on the left half
> of the application window and the entry preview on the right halt. But,
> accessing the right-hand column of the data entry widgets must be done
> blind
> because that half window cannot be expanded to the right. Serious PITA.
> Yes,
> I've filed bug issues on both but nothing's been fixed. I've tried using
> KDE's bibliography tool but that was equally frustrating. And Zotero
> doesn't
> use bibtex.
>
> Since I'm not a full-time researcher I don't need to share the bibiography
> with collaborators and I will not store it somewhere in the cloud; my data,
> my network. I also don't particularly care for a GUI; text-based works for
> me since that's how I do most of my work (except when using LyX).
>
> I've about 1,200 books and PDFs in the bibtex database and other than
> entering new documents I want to search primarily by keywords, secondarily
> by authors.
>
> Does anyone know of a CLI bibliographic tool? Or a basic one with a GUI
> that
> Just Works(TM)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rich
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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


I haven't used it (I'm sticking with JabRef), but Mendeley ...


Thanks, Paul. When I looked at their web site I got the impression that the
database is stored in their server, not mine. That's likely highly useful
for multiple users of the same database but I want to keep the database
local.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 9/11/20 12:26 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've 
lost the
emacs keyboard chords that were present from 1.x through 4.x so to 
edit an

abstract, for example, I need to use the arrow and Del keys. And, they've
changed the UI so some data entry tabs have their widgets on the left 
half

of the application window and the entry preview on the right halt. But,
accessing the right-hand column of the data entry widgets must be done 
blind
because that half window cannot be expanded to the right. Serious 
PITA. Yes,

I've filed bug issues on both but nothing's been fixed. I've tried using
KDE's bibliography tool but that was equally frustrating. And Zotero 
doesn't

use bibtex.

Since I'm not a full-time researcher I don't need to share the 
bibiography
with collaborators and I will not store it somewhere in the cloud; my 
data,
my network. I also don't particularly care for a GUI; text-based works 
for

me since that's how I do most of my work (except when using LyX).

I've about 1,200 books and PDFs in the bibtex database and other than
entering new documents I want to search primarily by keywords, 
secondarily

by authors.

Does anyone know of a CLI bibliographic tool? Or a basic one with a 
GUI that

Just Works(TM)?

TIA,

Rich
I haven't used it (I'm sticking with JabRef), but Mendeley 
 has a 
GUI that seems reasonable to me, can export .bib files, and has an 
interesting "sync" feature that will update exported .bib files without 
having to save a new one. (You still have to click a button to sync 
changes, so I'm not sure this is a huge improvement over just exporting 
a new copy.) I've also seen indications on the Mendeley site that there 
is some sort of drag-and-drop interface where you can just feed it a PDF 
file and have it suss out the basic citation poop. U. of Melbourne has a 
page with information 
 on how to use 
it with LaTeX.


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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Maria Gouskova wrote:


I used JabRef and BibDesk (Mac OS) for years, and then KDE's KBibTeX, but
lately I just open my .bib file in Vim. I found that KBibTeX screwed up
the syntax of my file (which has something like 6000 references now, so it
was painful to debug). In Vim, I see the syntax highlighting and it's easy
to see and fix problems. Not super-helpful if you're looking for a GUI,
but I just wanted to confirm that you are not alone in being frustrated
with the available GUI options.


Maria,

Yes, KBibTeX messed up my bibtex file, too. I don't use Vim (a miserable
experience using a line-oriented editor (TDP) on an HP/3000 to write my
dissertation turned me off to line-oriented editors. I've been using Emacs
for about 25 years. I use emacs on my jabref.bib to clean up things, but
haven't looked for a way of searching the keywords for specific references.
And, it probably wouldn't enter citations and the reference in a LyX
document.

I think I've found a solution, and it might work for you, too: pubs
. Will report after I read the docs and take
it for a test drive. Since there's so much wildland fire smoke here I'm
staying indoors (except to collect the mail when it comes). Visibility in
the orange air is not much more than 100 m.

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Re: bibliographic software (linux only)

[Maria Gouskova]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:26 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> I've used JabRef for years but 5.x frustrates me to no end. They've lost
> the
> emacs keyboard chords that were present from 1.x through 4.x so to edit an
> abstract, for example, I need to use the arrow and Del keys. And, they've
> changed the UI so some data entry tabs have their widgets on the left half
> of the application window and the entry preview on the right halt. But,
> accessing the right-hand column of the data entry widgets must be done
> blind
> because that half window cannot be expanded to the right. Serious PITA.
> Yes,
> I've filed bug issues on both but nothing's been fixed. I've tried using
> KDE's bibliography tool but that was equally frustrating. And Zotero
> doesn't
> use bibtex.
>
> Since I'm not a full-time researcher I don't need to share the bibiography
> with collaborators and I will not store it somewhere in the cloud; my data,
> my network. I also don't particularly care for a GUI; text-based works for
> me since that's how I do most of my work (except when using LyX).
>
> I've about 1,200 books and PDFs in the bibtex database and other than
> entering new documents I want to search primarily by keywords, secondarily
> by authors.
>
> Does anyone know of a CLI bibliographic tool? Or a basic one with a GUI
> that
> Just Works(TM)?
>

I used JabRef and BibDesk (Mac OS) for years, and then KDE's KBibTeX, but
lately I just open my .bib file in Vim. I found that KBibTeX screwed up the
syntax of my file (which has something like 6000 references now, so it was
painful to debug). In Vim, I see the syntax highlighting and it's easy to
see and fix problems. Not super-helpful if you're looking for a GUI, but I
just wanted to confirm that you are not alone in being frustrated with the
available GUI options.

Maria

>
> TIA,
>
> Rich
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