Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-24, Alex Fernandez wrote: Sure, but eLyXer does not output MathML. I am waiting for Richard to implement it in LyX so that I can then rip it off... (just joking). As eLyXer is written in Python, the MathML extension for Docutils might provide something to rip off:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-24, Alex Fernandez wrote: Sure, but eLyXer does not output MathML. I am waiting for Richard to implement it in LyX so that I can then rip it off... (just joking). As eLyXer is written in Python, the MathML extension for Docutils might provide something to rip off:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-24, Alex Fernandez wrote: > Sure, but eLyXer does not output MathML. I am waiting for Richard to > implement it in LyX so that I can then rip it off... (just joking). As eLyXer is written in Python, the MathML extension for Docutils might provide something to rip off:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: The forthcoming HTML output from LyX will therefore use png's initially and shoot for MathML later. Note that the latter won't be as hard as writing a LaTeX to MathML converter (though these do exist), since we already have a parsed form of the LaTeX and can output

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Pavel Sandasa...@lyx.org wrote: Alex Fernandez wrote: Once it is there it will be nice to have two options for HTML output. Meanwhile eLyXer will use XHTML and CSS2 which can be rendered acceptably on modern browsers. yes this option would be good and i

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: The forthcoming HTML output from LyX will therefore use png's initially and shoot for MathML later. Note that the latter won't be as hard as writing a LaTeX to MathML converter (though these do exist), since we already have a parsed form of the LaTeX and can output

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Pavel Sandasa...@lyx.org wrote: Alex Fernandez wrote: Once it is there it will be nice to have two options for HTML output. Meanwhile eLyXer will use XHTML and CSS2 which can be rendered acceptably on modern browsers. yes this option would be good and i

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: > > The forthcoming HTML output from LyX will therefore use png's initially and > > shoot for MathML later. Note that the latter won't be as hard as writing a > > LaTeX to MathML converter (though these do exist), since we already have a > > parsed form of the LaTeX and can

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Alex Fernandez wrote: >> Once it is there it will be nice to have two options for HTML output. >> Meanwhile eLyXer will use XHTML and CSS2 which can be rendered >> acceptably on modern browsers. > > yes this option would be good

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-18, Murray Eisenberg wrote: I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here are a few of the uglies: ... This is why I would favour an --use-MathML option. For the

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Murray, On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Murray Eisenbergmur...@math.umass.edu wrote: I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here are a few of the uglies: What you are

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Murray Eisenberg wrote: Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: And I guess the results must be much better on some other system than on mine since, on mine, much of this is completely unreadable. Attached is what I get in 4.3. I have no idea what this is supposed to be, but presumably not

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-18, Murray Eisenberg wrote: I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here are a few of the uglies: ... This is why I would favour an --use-MathML option. For the

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Murray, On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Murray Eisenbergmur...@math.umass.edu wrote: I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here are a few of the uglies: What you are

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Murray Eisenberg wrote: Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM, rgheckrgh...@bobjweil.com wrote: And I guess the results must be much better on some other system than on mine since, on mine, much of this is completely unreadable. Attached is what I get in 4.3. I have no idea what this is supposed to be, but presumably not

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-18, Murray Eisenberg wrote: > I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why > converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML > gives such bad results. Here are a few of the "uglies": ... This is why I would favour an --use-MathML option. For

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Murray, On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Murray Eisenberg wrote: > I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why > converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML > gives such bad results. Here are a few of the "uglies": What you

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Murray Eisenberg wrote: Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM, rgheck wrote: > And I guess the results must be much better on some other system than on > mine since, on mine, much of this is completely unreadable. Attached is what > I get in 4.3. I have no idea what this is supposed to be, but presumably

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-17, Alex Fernandez wrote: I have updated the CSS file in version 0.27 following Olivier's suggestions: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/ Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html I like the changes. But there are problems with the math:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is more

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful.

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-17, Alex Fernandez wrote: I have updated the CSS file in version 0.27 following Olivier's suggestions: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/ Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html I like the changes. But there are problems with the math:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is more

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful.

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results. Here

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-17, Alex Fernandez wrote: > I have updated the CSS file in version 0.27 following Olivier's suggestions: > http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/ > Please let me know if you like the changes: > http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html I like the changes. But there are problems with the

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Alex Fernandez wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsen wrote: As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to ".formula", the text is more

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Please let me know if you like the changes: http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful.

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

> > Please let me know if you like the changes: > > http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/math.html > Tiny change, huge improvement. Beautiful. I hate to say this, but the target page is a good example of why converting math in LaTeX (whether originating in LyX or not) to HTML gives such bad results.

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... ... let us see if we can get constructive and get something out of this discussion. What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can send me your CSS files (or a

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. very difficult to read: you are exaggerating,

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-16, Olivier Ripoll wrote: very difficult to read: you are exaggerating, which is not a good way to start a sane discussion. Agreed. http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/18/10-principles-for-readable-web-typography/ This one is a good reference. ... *

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Dear all and especially Alex! very difficult to read: you are exaggerating, which is not a good way to start a sane discussion. Agreed. I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. You surely put a considerable amount of time into this. Sorry. I may coment

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... ... let us see if we can get constructive and get something out of this discussion. What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can send me

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Olivier Ripoll wrote: Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. very difficult to read:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi again, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: Dear all and especially Alex! I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. No need to apologize, they were taken in good sport. You are obviously not trying to offend

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

It seems my previous post got lost, so I am reposting (with little changes), but without attaching the CSS file. As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from    font: x-small serif; to    font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line    font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is more web-styled (i.e. it

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... ... let us see if we can get constructive and get something out of this discussion. What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can send me your CSS files (or a

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. very difficult to read: you are exaggerating,

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-16, Olivier Ripoll wrote: very difficult to read: you are exaggerating, which is not a good way to start a sane discussion. Agreed. http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/18/10-principles-for-readable-web-typography/ This one is a good reference. ... *

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Dear all and especially Alex! very difficult to read: you are exaggerating, which is not a good way to start a sane discussion. Agreed. I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. You surely put a considerable amount of time into this. Sorry. I may coment

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... ... let us see if we can get constructive and get something out of this discussion. What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can send me

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Olivier Ripoll wrote: Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. very difficult to read:

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi again, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: Dear all and especially Alex! I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. No need to apologize, they were taken in good sport. You are obviously not trying to offend

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

It seems my previous post got lost, so I am reposting (with little changes), but without attaching the CSS file. As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from    font: x-small serif; to    font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line    font-family: serif; to .formula, the text is more web-styled (i.e. it

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... > ... let us see if we can get constructive and get > something out of this discussion. > What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the > trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can > send me your CSS files (or

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. "very difficult to read": you are exaggerating,

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

On 2009-06-16, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > "very difficult to read": you are exaggerating, which is not a good way > to start a sane discussion. Agreed. >> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/18/10-principles-for-readable-web-typography/ > This one is a good reference. ... >> *

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Dear all and especially Alex! > > "very difficult to read": you are exaggerating, which is not a good way > > to start a sane discussion. > > Agreed. I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. You surely put a considerable amount of time into this. Sorry. I may

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-06-15, Alex Fernandez wrote: ... ... let us see if we can get constructive and get something out of this discussion. What we can actually do is: you, or someone else who has taken the trouble to make the output look good on their favorite platform, can send me

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Olivier Ripoll wrote: Tim Michelsen wrote: Hello, I have see recten posts about eLyxer and become curious. I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The text from the example is very difficult to read. "very difficult to read":

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi again, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Tim Michelsen wrote: > Dear all and especially Alex! > I deeply appologize for my strong words. They were not intended to offence. No need to apologize, they were taken in good sport. You are obviously not trying to offend

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

It seems my previous post got lost, so I am reposting (with little changes), but without attaching the CSS file. As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from font: x-small serif; to font: small sans-serif; and then adding the line font-family: serif; to ".formula", the text is

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi, On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tim Michelsen wrote: >> As example, by modifying line 5 of lyx.css from >>    font: x-small serif; >> to >>    font: small sans-serif; >> >> and then adding the line >>    font-family: serif; >> to ".formula", the text is more

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Tim, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The CSS you link is provided as a service to the community; users are encouraged to change it on

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Tim, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Tim Michelsentimmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The CSS you link is provided as a service to the community; users are encouraged to change it on

Re: eLyxer and (web) typography

Hi Tim, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Tim Michelsen wrote: > I would like to suggest to edit the standard stylesheet provided by > http://www.nongnu.org/elyxer/lyx.css The CSS you link is provided as a service to the community; users are encouraged to change it