Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[mike]

On 21/03/2018 20:12, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/21/2018 03:09 PM, mike wrote:

On 21/03/2018 18:14, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/21/2018 01:48 PM, mike wrote:

On 21/03/2018 00:50, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:


Hello

So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)" 
(https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about 
the different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset 
but what still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like 
0x0298 directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears 
second on the left on the main IPA toolbar). Is there a way to do 
this?  Also is there a way to enter more than one at the same 
time in the same inset?


Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow 
multiple characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report 
about that, I expect it can be fixed quite quickly.


But note that you can do things like:
    self-insert ຄໆໆ
where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.

Riki


Hi Riki

I suppose I'm just thick but how do you the equivalent of 
"self-insert 0x0298" in the command buffer?  All that happens in an 
inset or outside of one is that the text string "0x0298" gets 
inserted.  I didn't think it appropriate to ask about this in 
Ticket #11084 .




The self-insert LFUN enters exactly what you give it, whereas 
unicode-insert accepts codepoints. The reason to have both has to do 
with file encodings, etc.


Riki


Thanks Riki.  I understand finally.



PS If you look under Help> LyX Functions, that's where it's documented 
what all of these do. If the documentation doesn't seem clear enough, 
let us know, and we'll fix it.



As they say in Glasgow you're a star

Mike

--
I *AM* a unique and special snowflake

Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 03/21/2018 03:09 PM, mike wrote:
> On 21/03/2018 18:14, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>> On 03/21/2018 01:48 PM, mike wrote:
>>> On 21/03/2018 00:50, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
 On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)"
> (https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about the
> different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset but
> what still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like
> 0x0298 directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears
> second on the left on the main IPA toolbar).  Is there a way to do
> this?  Also is there a way to enter more than one at the same time
> in the same inset?

 Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow
 multiple characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report
 about that, I expect it can be fixed quite quickly.

 But note that you can do things like:
     self-insert ຄໆໆ
 where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.

 Riki

>>> Hi Riki
>>>
>>> I suppose I'm just thick but how do you the equivalent of
>>> "self-insert 0x0298" in the command buffer?  All that happens in an
>>> inset or outside of one is that the text string "0x0298" gets
>>> inserted.  I didn't think it appropriate to ask about this in Ticket
>>> #11084 .
>>>
>>
>> The self-insert LFUN enters exactly what you give it, whereas
>> unicode-insert accepts codepoints. The reason to have both has to do
>> with file encodings, etc.
>>
>> Riki
>>
> Thanks Riki.  I understand finally.
>

PS If you look under Help> LyX Functions, that's where it's documented
what all of these do. If the documentation doesn't seem clear enough,
let us know, and we'll fix it.

Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[mike]

On 21/03/2018 18:14, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/21/2018 01:48 PM, mike wrote:

On 21/03/2018 00:50, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:


Hello

So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)" 
(https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about the 
different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset but what 
still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like 0x0298 
directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears second on 
the left on the main IPA toolbar).  Is there a way to do this? Also 
is there a way to enter more than one at the same time in the same 
inset?


Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow 
multiple characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report 
about that, I expect it can be fixed quite quickly.


But note that you can do things like:
    self-insert ຄໆໆ
where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.

Riki


Hi Riki

I suppose I'm just thick but how do you the equivalent of 
"self-insert 0x0298" in the command buffer?  All that happens in an 
inset or outside of one is that the text string "0x0298" gets 
inserted.  I didn't think it appropriate to ask about this in Ticket 
#11084 .




The self-insert LFUN enters exactly what you give it, whereas 
unicode-insert accepts codepoints. The reason to have both has to do 
with file encodings, etc.


Riki


Thanks Riki.  I understand finally.

Best

Mike

--
I *AM* a unique and special snowflake

Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 03/21/2018 01:48 PM, mike wrote:
> On 21/03/2018 00:50, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>> On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)"
>>> (https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about the
>>> different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset but what
>>> still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like 0x0298
>>> directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears second on
>>> the left on the main IPA toolbar).  Is there a way to do this?  Also
>>> is there a way to enter more than one at the same time in the same
>>> inset?
>>
>> Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow
>> multiple characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report
>> about that, I expect it can be fixed quite quickly.
>>
>> But note that you can do things like:
>>     self-insert ຄໆໆ
>> where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.
>>
>> Riki
>>
> Hi Riki
>
> I suppose I'm just thick but how do you the equivalent of "self-insert
> 0x0298" in the command buffer?  All that happens in an inset or
> outside of one is that the text string "0x0298" gets inserted.  I
> didn't think it appropriate to ask about this in Ticket #11084
> .
>

The self-insert LFUN enters exactly what you give it, whereas
unicode-insert accepts codepoints. The reason to have both has to do
with file encodings, etc.

Riki

Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[mike]

On 21/03/2018 00:50, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:


Hello

So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)" 
(https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about the 
different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset but what 
still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like 0x0298 
directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears second on 
the left on the main IPA toolbar).  Is there a way to do this?  Also 
is there a way to enter more than one at the same time in the same 
inset?


Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow 
multiple characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report 
about that, I expect it can be fixed quite quickly.


But note that you can do things like:
    self-insert ຄໆໆ
where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.

Riki


Hi Riki

I suppose I'm just thick but how do you the equivalent of "self-insert 
0x0298" in the command buffer?  All that happens in an inset or outside 
of one is that the text string "0x0298" gets inserted.  I didn't think 
it appropriate to ask about this in Ticket #11084 
.


Best regards

Mike

--
I *AM* a unique and special snowflake

Re: entering Unicode points directly in ipa inset

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 03/20/2018 06:23 PM, mike wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> So I've read "Using LyX to Display Phonetic Characters (IPA)"
> (https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc4) specifically about the
> different ways of entering glyphs, etc. with the IPA inset but what
> still isn't clear to me is how I enter a code point like 0x0298
> directly using the IPA inset (bilabial click that appears second on
> the left on the main IPA toolbar).  Is there a way to do this?  Also
> is there a way to enter more than one at the same time in the same inset?

Not with unicode-insert. I suppose we should fix that and allow multiple
characters, as will self-insert. If you file a bug report about that, I
expect it can be fixed quite quickly.

But note that you can do things like:
    self-insert ຄໆໆ
where the Unicode characters are just given explicity.

Riki