Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 1:46 PM, Mike Stein wrote: - Original Message - From: "Brian K. White" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware On 5/26/20 11:59 AM, Mike Stein wrote:  - Original Message - From: "Brian K. White&

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Brian K. White" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware > On 5/26/20 11:59 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >>  >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian K. White" mail

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 11:59 AM, Mike Stein wrote:  - Original Message - From: "Brian K. White" mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>> To: mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware > ... you have to convi

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Brian K. White" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware > ... you have to convince me why I should agree > with whatever it is you wish I would do or not-do. --- I don't think anyone has

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 10:42 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote: It was commercial software, Brian.  Why the impedance here If you don't like impedance then I suggest the way to avoid it is to stop expecting something you have no right to. If you don't want something of yours published, you can opt not to publish

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM Stephen Adolph wrote: Is there a way to comply? I think once we know about a file being shared

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
my bad, I should have started a separate thread on "what do do about M100SIG posted at Internet Archive". I'm done anyways. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > Absolutely. We certainly should not be passing around stuff that is being > actively withheld. > > I’m not against

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Wilson
Absolutely. We certainly should not be passing around stuff that is being actively withheld. I’m not against distributing orphaned works, but if someone has made a point of saying “that’s mine, you should not be copying it,” then we need to respect that. But also, let’s not get hung up in the

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Dison
Thanks, I’ll keep the changes to myself. I want to add an interface for simplicity, maybe even a “disk-drive” look to it. I have it on a RPI in a case with a screen top. I think a full-screen Drive Image with blinking activity light would be cool. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:43 Tom Wilson wrote:

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Mike Stein
- From: Tom Dison To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware Should I not be looking at the source? I was going to add some additional features. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:02 Stephen Adolph wrote: I find your statement

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Mike Stein
: "Brian K. White" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware > On 5/26/20 4:23 AM, B 9 wrote: >> My web based emulator https://bitchin100.com/CloudT has a partial >> implementation of the display chip + some bugs specifically rel

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
Great, very interesting. Unfortunate that this has happened. Morally, I think it is the respectable thing to honor Wilson's wishes here to the best ability we have. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:31 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM Stephen Adolph > wrote: > >> >> Is

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Wilson
I asked about LaddieAlpha, too. We can use it and even modify it, but we can’t redistribute our changes to other people. I’ll dig out the email chain when I get a chance. Short version, it’s publicly available, so of course you can download and use it. You just cannot give it to someone else

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
It was commercial software, Brian. Why the impedance here? The dispute was/is between Rick Hanson, who has departed, and Wilson Van Alst, who's status is unknown. Wilson alleged that Rick made Wilson's commercial software available to all via the M100SIG. It is a long ago dispute. That's

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
This isn't about LaddieAlpha but about some things that are included in M100SIG.zip, which is an archive of an old CompuServe forum that has been around for some time. -- bkw On 5/26/20 10:38 AM, Tom Dison wrote: Ok, I’ll delete LaddieAlpha. Sorry about that. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:31

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Dison
Who manages that Bitchin100 that has the git repository I cloned? On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:38 Tom Dison wrote: > Ok, I’ll delete LaddieAlpha. Sorry about that. > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:31 Tom Wilson wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM Stephen Adolph >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
I just asked what I thought was a riduculous question, but you're saying that's exactly what did happen? That does make this at least an interesting question. -- bkw On 5/26/20 10:02 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote: I find your statement ridiculous Brian. I hope this is simply because you were not

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Dison
Ok, I’ll delete LaddieAlpha. Sorry about that. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:31 Tom Wilson wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM Stephen Adolph > wrote: > >> >> Is there a way to comply? I think once we know about a file being shared >> publicly we should take steps to remove it. >> >>

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 10:00 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote: If there were versions floating around that were not marked "no VAN" then that was unfortunate. It does not change the fact that Van's software was published without his permission. What this is all about, is the fact that his software was published

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Wilson
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM Stephen Adolph wrote: > > Is there a way to comply? I think once we know about a file being shared > publicly we should take steps to remove it. > > thanks > Steve > Legally speaking, only Van can make someone take down his work. If it’s posted to Internet

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
I find your statement ridiculous Brian. I hope this is simply because you were not aware of the theft. > Secondly, whichever version this is, I do not agree that anyone ever has > any right to un-publish something after the fact. If it was ever public, > then it's public. Don't like it? Too bad.

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
If there were versions floating around that were not marked "no VAN" then that was unfortunate. It does not change the fact that Van's software was published without his permission. What this is all about, is the fact that his software was published without his permission. And so, An M100SIG

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 8:31 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote: Brian, just curious, did you post the M100SIG to the internet archive? If so, did you ensure that you posted the  "No VAN" version, which has deleted all of Wilson Van Alst's code? I believe this was Van's wishes. ..Steve What in the world did you

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
follow up; looks like this is not the "no Van" version of the M100SIG; suggest we pull this one down and replace it with the one that has all of Wilson's code scrubbed. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 8:31 AM Stephen Adolph wrote: > Brian, > just curious, did you post the M100SIG to the internet

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Tom Dison
I have to say I really like LaddieAlpha, I have it running on a Raspberry Pi - very ready to install and, and now I have plenty of storage for my Model 200. I did a git clone of it and hterm, and plan to play with the source is both. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 07:24 Brian K. White wrote: > On

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Stephen Adolph
Brian, just curious, did you post the M100SIG to the internet archive? If so, did you ensure that you posted the "No VAN" version, which has deleted all of Wilson Van Alst's code? I believe this was Van's wishes. ..Steve On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 8:24 AM Brian K. White wrote: > On 5/26/20 4:23

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread Brian K. White
On 5/26/20 4:23 AM, B 9 wrote: My web based emulator https://bitchin100.com/CloudT has a partial implementation of the display chip + some bugs specifically related to the unused hardware scroll. Once I find my box of round tuits... I think it may be lost in the same place mine

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-26 Thread B 9
> > My web based emulator https://bitchin100.com/CloudT has a partial > implementation of the display chip + some bugs specifically related to the > unused hardware scroll. Once I find my box of round tuits... > I think it may be lost in the same place mine went to. > (By the way, the

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 3:40 PM Philip Avery wrote: > No, though I was reminded of that by the recent Hardware Scroll post. > Decided to leverage ROM code, so eventually M100 CP/M gets down to "rst 4". > > Philip > OK. Yeah you have to draw the line somewhere on all these features if you ever

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread Philip Avery
No, though I was reminded of that by the recent Hardware Scroll post. Decided to leverage ROM code, so eventually M100 CP/M gets down to "rst 4". Philip On 26/05/2020 10:34 am, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: Is the hardware scroll being used in REX CP/M? Sounds like that was the plan at some

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
Is the hardware scroll being used in REX CP/M? Sounds like that was the plan at some point. -- John.

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:05 AM B 9 wrote: > From: "John R. Hogerhuis" >> To: m...@bitchin100.com >> >> Yes the Model T screen driver is slow. It's possible we could speed it up >> a little because there is some hardware scrolling capability built into the >> video chip drivers that the ROM

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: B 9 To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 4:05 AM Subject: [M100] Undocumented hardware . > (By the way, the Bitchin100 site could use a friendly "how to transfer binary > files over a serial port using only builtin soft

Re: [M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread Stephen Adolph
My comments below, cheers Steve On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 4:05 AM B 9 wrote: > From: "John R. Hogerhuis" >> To: m...@bitchin100.com >> >> Yes the Model T screen driver is slow. It's possible we could speed it up >> a little because there is some hardware scrolling capability built into the >>

[M100] Undocumented hardware

2020-05-25 Thread B 9
> > From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > To: m...@bitchin100.com > > Yes the Model T screen driver is slow. It's possible we could speed it up > a little because there is some hardware scrolling capability built into the > video chip drivers that the ROM does not make use of. > > But that would > a)