Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Willard Goosey]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:49:48 -0700
Earl Evans  wrote:

> I've had thoughts about using a Raspberry Pi Zero W with some
> additional pieces to make a portable disk station. Haven't actually
> prototyped anything yet, but how about this:
> 
[...]
> Has anyone done something like this? Think it would work?
> 
I use a PocketCHIP and that is basically what you described, all
pre-packaged. :-)

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goo...@sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Randall Kindig]

Guys, I’m very encouraged by this discussion.  While I have both a REX (from 
the last run that Zippster did) and NADSBox (I was lucky enough to get one from 
someone about a year ago) I would most certainly order another new run NADSBox 
and a WOOLLY.  Heck, I would buy one of anything that came out!

Just wanted you to know that there definitely is interest out there.  The Model 
100 is a great little machine and these things just make it even more useful

Randy Kindig

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> 
> Ray, 
> 
> If you feel compelled to contribute to another production run effort, I 
> guarantee you that you are not the only one interested in sharing in that 
> contribution.   
> 
> Here's my take on things:
> 
> NADSBox -- I think there probably is quite a bit of interest in this product 
> even today.  I'm willing to bet there would be at least 10-15 immediate 
> pending sales on this given the interest I've seen on this list alone.
> REX -- This might be interesting as well, however it sounds like WOOLLY would 
> likely be a better place to put engineering effort & dollars.
> WOOLLY -- I'm betting the majority of folks on this list would likely want 
> one of these.  If I had to pick only one product alone to focus on and bring 
> to market, I'd pick this one!  REX functionality, RAM expansion (for CP/M), 
> and WiFi capability.  All of that would be amazing to have in one piece of 
> hardware that can fit into an Option ROM socket.  We're talking about a 
> potential replacement for all of the ReMem and REX variations that existed 
> previously, and then some.
> 
> I'm willing to contribute significantly to the effort to bring any and all of 
> these products to life (for the second time for REX & NADSBox of course).  
> And when I say contribute, I don't just mean encouragement & testing & labor. 
>  I'm talking about financial.  :)  Probably the areas I can best help in 
> would be fronting a good chunk of the costs for sourcing of parts & 
> production, and then also on the eventual fulfillment.   (Either hosted on 
> Club100.org or on Web8201.net or some other central hub, doesn't matter.  I 
> can definitely assist on the eCommerce end.)
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:26 PM, ray gordon  > wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> 
> That's all fine by me. I would have to get a cashier's check and mail it to 
> you, because I can't pay that much by paypal all at once. Maybe I could 
> paypal it to you over the course of a week.
> 
> Let me know when you're all set to move.
> 
> ray
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: M100  > on behalf of Ken Pettit 
> >
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 8:50 PM
> 
> To: m...@bitchin100.com 
> Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades
>  
> Hi Ray,
> 
> When I did the first run of NADSBoxes in 2008 / 2009 timeframe, my up-front 
> cash expenditure was $13K for 240 NADSBoxes.  This is when I was having them 
> built and assembled in China.  I probably still could have them built and 
> assembled there, though it is a bit more challenging since I no longer live 
> there.
> 
> Turns out I am traveling to China next week and will be visiting Shenzhen for 
> 5 days!  YEA!!!  Maybe I could visit my old haunts while there (in fact I am 
> looking forward to it).
> 
> One of the concerns with NADSBox is that I need to update the layout a bit to 
> select a different SD card socket ... the socket used in the last round of 
> NADSBoxes was acquired from a Chinese source with no real part number or way 
> to track it.  So the footprint is specific to that part which is no longer 
> available.
> 
> I am working actively on Woolly which would replace REX and in a way, 
> NADSBox, via TPDD access to a host via WiFi.  But this is still a big 
> development effort, both in terms of hardware and software.
> 
> If you still wanted to put up the cash after reading this, we probably 
> wouldn't need to build 240 NADSBoxes as demand isn't what it was in 2009, but 
> it would still be in the $8K - $9K range I would guess for NADSBox alone.  I 
> don't know for REX.
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 7/28/17 7:05 PM, ray gordon wrote:
>> I'm willing to put up the cash necessary if Ken & Stephen would be willing 
>> to do another run of NADS & REX.
>> 
>> Ray g
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: M100  
>>  on behalf of Gregory McGill 
>>  
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:50 AM
>> To: m...@bitchin100.com 
>> Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades
>>  
>> nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are 
>> welcome to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to 
>> build but surface mount is not my 

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Gary Weber]

Ray,

If you feel compelled to contribute to another production run effort, I
guarantee you that you are not the only one interested in sharing in that
contribution.

Here's my take on things:

NADSBox -- I think there probably is quite a bit of interest in this
product even today.  I'm willing to bet there would be at least 10-15
immediate pending sales on this given the interest I've seen on this list
alone.
REX -- This might be interesting as well, however it sounds like WOOLLY
would likely be a better place to put engineering effort & dollars.
WOOLLY -- I'm betting the majority of folks on this list would likely want
one of these.  If I had to pick only one product alone to focus on and
bring to market, I'd pick this one!  REX functionality, RAM expansion (for
CP/M), and WiFi capability.  All of that would be amazing to have in one
piece of hardware that can fit into an Option ROM socket.  We're talking
about a potential replacement for all of the ReMem and REX variations that
existed previously, and then some.

I'm willing to contribute significantly to the effort to bring any and all
of these products to life (for the second time for REX & NADSBox of
course).  And when I say contribute, I don't just mean encouragement &
testing & labor.  I'm talking about financial.  :)  Probably the areas I
can best help in would be fronting a good chunk of the costs for sourcing
of parts & production, and then also on the eventual fulfillment.   (Either
hosted on Club100.org or on Web8201.net or some other central hub, doesn't
matter.  I can definitely assist on the eCommerce end.)

Gary





On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:26 PM, ray gordon  wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> That's all fine by me. I would have to get a cashier's check and mail it
> to you, because I can't pay that much by paypal all at once. Maybe I could
> paypal it to you over the course of a week.
>
> Let me know when you're all set to move.
>
> ray
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of Ken Pettit <
> petti...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2017 8:50 PM
>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Model T upgrades
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> When I did the first run of NADSBoxes in 2008 / 2009 timeframe, my
> up-front cash expenditure was $13K for 240 NADSBoxes.  This is when I was
> having them built and assembled in China.  I probably still could have them
> built and assembled there, though it is a bit more challenging since I no
> longer live there.
>
> Turns out I am traveling to China next week and will be visiting Shenzhen
> for 5 days!  YEA!!!  Maybe I could visit my old haunts while there (in fact
> I am looking forward to it).
>
> One of the concerns with NADSBox is that I need to update the layout a bit
> to select a different SD card socket ... the socket used in the last round
> of NADSBoxes was acquired from a Chinese source with no real part number or
> way to track it.  So the footprint is specific to that part which is no
> longer available.
>
> I am working actively on Woolly which would replace REX and in a way,
> NADSBox, via TPDD access to a host via WiFi.  But this is still a big
> development effort, both in terms of hardware and software.
>
> If you still wanted to put up the cash after reading this, we probably
> wouldn't need to build 240 NADSBoxes as demand isn't what it was in 2009,
> but it would still be in the $8K - $9K range I would guess for NADSBox
> alone.  I don't know for REX.
>
> Ken
>
> On 7/28/17 7:05 PM, ray gordon wrote:
>
> I'm willing to put up the cash necessary if Ken & Stephen would be willing
> to do another run of NADS & REX.
>
> Ray g
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* M100 
>  on behalf of Gregory McGill
>  
> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2017 11:50 AM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Model T upgrades
>
> nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are
> welcome to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to
> build but surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put off..
> boards are on oshpark and the instructions are googlable nadsbox is not
> available..  you can use a pc and laddiealpha or other tools there's one
> for android too with a togo cable
>
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather <
> robert.s.prat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
>> have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
>> appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
>>
>> I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try
>> out the Model 100. Love it so far.
>>
>> From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available
>> as well as REX modules.
>>
>> I'm 

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[ray gordon]

Hi Ken,

That's all fine by me. I would have to get a cashier's check and mail it to 
you, because I can't pay that much by paypal all at once. Maybe I could paypal 
it to you over the course of a week.

Let me know when you're all set to move.

ray




From: M100  on behalf of Ken Pettit 

Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 8:50 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

Hi Ray,

When I did the first run of NADSBoxes in 2008 / 2009 timeframe, my up-front 
cash expenditure was $13K for 240 NADSBoxes.  This is when I was having them 
built and assembled in China.  I probably still could have them built and 
assembled there, though it is a bit more challenging since I no longer live 
there.

Turns out I am traveling to China next week and will be visiting Shenzhen for 5 
days!  YEA!!!  Maybe I could visit my old haunts while there (in fact I am 
looking forward to it).

One of the concerns with NADSBox is that I need to update the layout a bit to 
select a different SD card socket ... the socket used in the last round of 
NADSBoxes was acquired from a Chinese source with no real part number or way to 
track it.  So the footprint is specific to that part which is no longer 
available.

I am working actively on Woolly which would replace REX and in a way, NADSBox, 
via TPDD access to a host via WiFi.  But this is still a big development 
effort, both in terms of hardware and software.

If you still wanted to put up the cash after reading this, we probably wouldn't 
need to build 240 NADSBoxes as demand isn't what it was in 2009, but it would 
still be in the $8K - $9K range I would guess for NADSBox alone.  I don't know 
for REX.

Ken

On 7/28/17 7:05 PM, ray gordon wrote:

I'm willing to put up the cash necessary if Ken & Stephen would be willing to 
do another run of NADS & REX.

Ray g




From: M100 
 
on behalf of Gregory McGill 

Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:50 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are welcome 
to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to build but 
surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put off..   boards are on 
oshpark and the instructions are googlable nadsbox is not available..  you can 
use a pc and laddiealpha or other tools there's one for android too with a togo 
cable

Greg

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather 
> wrote:
Hi All,

Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd have 
purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory appears 
maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.

I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out the 
Model 100. Love it so far.

>From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as 
>well as REX modules.

I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also 
trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try 
ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I did.

thanks,

Robert

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Bert Put]

Hi Ken,

Slightly off-topic, but wanted to say that I so appreciate you doing the
original NADSBox run as I still use mine at least weekly.   I take notes
in portable situations where the M-102 and the NADSBox can often be a
better, more compact solution than a smart phone, tablet, etc.

So my NADSBox is still going strong!  I just find it works better in my
situation than using another machine as a storage device.  Thank you!

Cheers,Bert


On 07/28/2017 10:50 PM, Ken Pettit wrote:
> Hi Ray,
> 
> When I did the first run of NADSBoxes in 2008 / 2009 timeframe, my
> up-front cash expenditure was $13K for 240 NADSBoxes.  This is when I
> was having them built and assembled in China.  I probably still could
> have them built and assembled there, though it is a bit more challenging
> since I no longer live there.
> 
> Turns out I am traveling to China next week and will be visiting
> Shenzhen for 5 days!  YEA!!!  Maybe I could visit my old haunts while
> there (in fact I am looking forward to it).
> 
> One of the concerns with NADSBox is that I need to update the layout a
> bit to select a different SD card socket ... the socket used in the last
> round of NADSBoxes was acquired from a Chinese source with no real part
> number or way to track it.  So the footprint is specific to that part
> which is no longer available.
> 
> I am working actively on Woolly which would replace REX and in a way,
> NADSBox, via TPDD access to a host via WiFi.  But this is still a big
> development effort, both in terms of hardware and software.
> 
> If you still wanted to put up the cash after reading this, we probably
> wouldn't need to build 240 NADSBoxes as demand isn't what it was in
> 2009, but it would still be in the $8K - $9K range I would guess for
> NADSBox alone.  I don't know for REX.
> 
> Ken

Re: [M100] Virtual cassette idea

[Brian White]

Interesting. That would explain why I am able to use ts-dos.mp3 on my
phone, but the volume has to be all the way up. If it is a single step down
it doesn't work. And someone else couldn't get it to work at all from their
different phone.

Also in my case, at first I tried using a stereo-to-mono adapter so that
the stereo out from the phone was joined to a mono to the m100, but that
actually didn't work. I had to plug the mono plug from the m100 cable
directly into the phone for it to work. I was worried about shorting the
right channel to ground, but maybe the phone actually senses that and
changes the behavior of the pins, just like it does for the 4th pin for a
mic, which may or may not be present at any time. Most of these sound chips
are software defined these days, where really any pin could do anything, so
I guess it should be no surprise.

That might explain why connecting without an adapter worked, but doesn't
explain why the adapter didn't work. Could shorting the two channels
actually lower the total signal, like slightly out of phase waves
cancelling, or one silent channel draining the other active channel?

-- 
bkw

On Jul 29, 2017 7:38 AM, "Stephen Adolph"  wrote:

> I think the problem is voltage level from common audio devices is not high
> enough.  Need to have at least 2vpp.  Most devices put out max 1.
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2017, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>
>> I think it would be cool.
>>
>> You could also do this a smart phone app.
>>
>> The cassette file I/o has the advantage of being integrated into the rom.
>> That's why I made CloudT emulator interface with google drive and such via
>> hooked cassette I/o commands.
>>
>> -- John.
>>
>

Re: [M100] Virtual cassette idea

[Stephen Adolph]

I think the problem is voltage level from common audio devices is not high
enough.  Need to have at least 2vpp.  Most devices put out max 1.

On Friday, July 28, 2017, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> I think it would be cool.
>
> You could also do this a smart phone app.
>
> The cassette file I/o has the advantage of being integrated into the rom.
> That's why I made CloudT emulator interface with google drive and such via
> hooked cassette I/o commands.
>
> -- John.
>