Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[Brian White]

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 6:20 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:30 PM Brian White  wrote:
>
>> Why bother with the larger .do copy? Just load "foo" and then save
>> "foo2". Now you have both foo.ba and foo2.ba, both in small tokenized
>> form.
>>
>
>>
> Cause it don’t chooch ;-)
>
> You can only save / give a name to the “unnamed basic program”.
>
> It’s weird but try it.
>
> — John.
>

I believe you. That has the smell of exactly the kind of code trick
somewhere that would be an over-optimization today, trading away too much
functionality or flexibility for too few saved bytes or cpu cycles, but
wasn't uncommon or even wrong at the time when bytes and cpu cycles counted
more.

-- 
bkw

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:30 PM Brian White  wrote:

> Why bother with the larger .do copy? Just load "foo" and then save "foo2".
> Now you have both foo.ba and foo2.ba, both in small tokenized form.
>

>
Cause it don’t chooch ;-)

You can only save / give a name to the “unnamed basic program”.

It’s weird but try it.

— John.

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[Brian White]

Why bother with the larger .do copy? Just load "foo" and then save "foo2".
Now you have both foo.ba and foo2.ba, both in small tokenized form.


On Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:27 PM Peter Vollan  wrote:

> Perhaps they mean that you should print it out?
>
>
> On 27 May 2018 at 11:06, David Szasz  wrote:
> > Jason:
> >
> > Sorry about that as NAME only renames the existing file (I forgot). The
> old
> > tried and true model 100 method is to save the BASIC file as text using
> the
> > ".DO" appendage
> >
> > from within the BASIC program type
> >
> > SAVE "newfilename.do"
> >
> > Then as needed open the text file and rename it as a BASIC program using
> the
> > ".BA" appendage
> >
> > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM, David Szasz  wrote:
> >>
> >> jason:
> >>
> >> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
> >>
> >> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
> >>
> >> I hope that helps a little.
> >>
> >> D. Szasz
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Jason Benson <
> jason.benson...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey guys, is there anyway to make a copy of a BASIC file so that you
> have
> >>> a backup other than saving it to another machine or external storage?
> >>>
> >>> Per the manual :
> >>>
> >>> In the Model 100 there usually is no backup copy. You
> >>> should make one for important documents as early as
> >>> possible.
> >>>
> >>> But that seems crazy. Would it be possible copy the text of the program
> >>> and then paste it in a new ram file? That would give it a new memory
> >>> address, but I'm not sure how.
> >>> -Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for M102

[Brian White]

That's the one easy one. You can get by without having to do those twists,
with a plain old IDE cable* and a double male pin header.

http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface:_Cable#Easy_Cable

That's not polarized though. To get a fully polarized cable you can make
either the 102 or 200 cables shown there.

* The old 40 conductor kind of cable, I don't know if the 80 conductor kind
works. Also make sure pin 20 isn't removed or plugged, and the wire for pin
20 isn't punched out somewhere along the cable.



On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:44 PM Randall Kindig 
wrote:

> Does anyone have or makes the DVI cable that works with an M102?  I need
> one.
>
> Randy
>
>

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[Peter Vollan]

Perhaps they mean that you should print it out?


On 27 May 2018 at 11:06, David Szasz  wrote:
> Jason:
>
> Sorry about that as NAME only renames the existing file (I forgot). The old
> tried and true model 100 method is to save the BASIC file as text using the
> ".DO" appendage
>
> from within the BASIC program type
>
> SAVE "newfilename.do"
>
> Then as needed open the text file and rename it as a BASIC program using the
> ".BA" appendage
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM, David Szasz  wrote:
>>
>> jason:
>>
>> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
>>
>> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
>>
>> I hope that helps a little.
>>
>> D. Szasz
>>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Jason Benson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys, is there anyway to make a copy of a BASIC file so that you have
>>> a backup other than saving it to another machine or external storage?
>>>
>>> Per the manual :
>>>
>>> In the Model 100 there usually is no backup copy. You
>>> should make one for important documents as early as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> But that seems crazy. Would it be possible copy the text of the program
>>> and then paste it in a new ram file? That would give it a new memory
>>> address, but I'm not sure how.
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[M100] DVI cable for M102

[Randall Kindig]

Does anyone have or makes the DVI cable that works with an M102?  I need one.

Randy

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[David Szasz]

Jason:

Sorry about that as NAME only renames the existing file (I forgot). The old
tried and true model 100 method is to save the BASIC file as text using the
".DO" appendage

from within the BASIC program type

SAVE "newfilename.do"

Then as needed open the text file and rename it as a BASIC program using
the ".BA" appendage

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM, David Szasz  wrote:

> jason:
>
> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
>
> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
>
> I hope that helps a little.
>
> D. Szasz
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Jason Benson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, is there anyway to make a copy of a BASIC file so that you have
>> a backup other than saving it to another machine or external storage?
>>
>> Per the manual :
>>
>> In the Model 100 there usually is no backup copy. You
>> should make one for important documents as early as
>> possible.
>>
>> But that seems crazy. Would it be possible copy the text of the program
>> and then paste it in a new ram file? That would give it a new memory
>> address, but I'm not sure how.
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[Jason Benson]

Thanks guys

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 2:02 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:01 AM John R. Hogerhuis 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 10:20 AM David Szasz  wrote:
>>
>>> jason:
>>>
>>> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
>>>
>>> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
>>>
>>> I hope that helps a little.
>>>
>>> D. Szasz
>>>
>>
>> That wouldn’t create a copy it would just rename the only copy.
>>
>
> (Meant to say I think... could be wrong)
>
> — John.
>

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:01 AM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 10:20 AM David Szasz  wrote:
>
>> jason:
>>
>> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
>>
>> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
>>
>> I hope that helps a little.
>>
>> D. Szasz
>>
>
> That wouldn’t create a copy it would just rename the only copy.
>

(Meant to say I think... could be wrong)

— John.

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 10:20 AM David Szasz  wrote:

> jason:
>
> You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.
>
> NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"
>
> I hope that helps a little.
>
> D. Szasz
>

That wouldn’t create a copy it would just rename the only copy.

I think Jason is probably right, that you have to reload from ascii to get
a second copy in RAM. Which may not always be possible depending on the
size of the program and how much free Ram is available.

However, it’s never been a practical concern since it doesn’t help to keep
backups in RAM. There isn’t a lot of ram and of ram gets corrupted you’re
likely to lose both copies.

For backups, offload your program to external storage or REX.

If you need a pristine instance of your program while working on changes to
it, use the ascii trick to create a second instance, or rename before
reloading from external storage.

— John.

Re: [M100] Duplicate a file

[David Szasz]

jason:

You can just save the file under another name. See the NAME command.

NAME "old filename" AS "new filename"

I hope that helps a little.

D. Szasz

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Jason Benson 
wrote:

> Hey guys, is there anyway to make a copy of a BASIC file so that you have
> a backup other than saving it to another machine or external storage?
>
> Per the manual :
>
> In the Model 100 there usually is no backup copy. You
> should make one for important documents as early as
> possible.
>
> But that seems crazy. Would it be possible copy the text of the program
> and then paste it in a new ram file? That would give it a new memory
> address, but I'm not sure how.
> -Jason
>
>
>
>

[M100] Duplicate a file

[Jason Benson]

Hey guys, is there anyway to make a copy of a BASIC file so that you have a
backup other than saving it to another machine or external storage?

Per the manual :

In the Model 100 there usually is no backup copy. You
should make one for important documents as early as
possible.

But that seems crazy. Would it be possible copy the text of the program and
then paste it in a new ram file? That would give it a new memory address,
but I'm not sure how.
-Jason