Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

hah thanks.

In case it's useful, I have one m100 where the display was flickering and
wouldn't go all the way dark, and I fixed it by spraying the contrast pot
with deoxit d5. It took a solid couple weeks for it to fully dry out and
work right again. During that time it was super faint and even totally
blank for several days. But after it finally did dry out it's been perfect
since then.

But the rest of the machine wasn't crashing so you might be on to something
with the caps in your case. I pretty much knew it was the pot because you
can sort of see the visual version of a scratchy volume knob.

-- 
bkw

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 9:04 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Brian, that DVI Wiki is awesome, thank you. I've ordered some
> gender-changer male pin headers, so next weekend I should have a working
> 102 setup.
>
> On a side note, LCD on the 100 that came with the DVI has started
> flickering and dimming, but the computer itself has also started crashing,
> after using for a bit. I think I'll go through all the caps and replace
> them, and clean the LCD connectors.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's a possibility, but as far as I can tell no combination of what
>> Chris has would work with a 102/200.
>>
>> m
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2018 9:49 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>
>> Probably someone ends up with 3 cables because probably a single long,
>> 100-only cable (and a 100-only system disk) came with the DVI, and the two
>> short ones came later with the 100/200 system disk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

Brian, that DVI Wiki is awesome, thank you. I've ordered some
gender-changer male pin headers, so next weekend I should have a working
102 setup.

On a side note, LCD on the 100 that came with the DVI has started
flickering and dimming, but the computer itself has also started crashing,
after using for a bit. I think I'll go through all the caps and replace
them, and clean the LCD connectors.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a possibility, but as far as I can tell no combination of what
> Chris has would work with a 102/200.
>
> m
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2018 9:49 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>
> Probably someone ends up with 3 cables because probably a single long,
> 100-only cable (and a 100-only system disk) came with the DVI, and the two
> short ones came later with the 100/200 system disk.
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

Interesting; yeah, that's what I thought it had to be to explain what's 
happening. Here's what I think:

The 'long' cable is probably the standard M100>DVI cable that came with the 
DVI, and it would presumably work if you plugged it into the M100.

The short M100 cable is probably a home-made shorter version of the same cable 
that does exactly what I did with mine, namely stick the connector on the back 
of the M100 to avoid having to unplug the internal bus connector every time.

The short DVI cable is probably a 102/200 cable that's been modified in order 
to use it as an extension to connect the homemade M100 cable to the DVI.

The problem is that because (s)he used the same 'non-standard' DIP plug inside 
the M100 as the original, the connector on the back of the M100 is 'reversed' 
from the same connector on a 102/200.

For a 102 you have to swap the pairs somewhere along the way; the easiest way 
would probably be to find an old female-female 2x20 cable such as what was used 
for PATA IDE hard disks and insert a set of pins in one end as Brian shows near 
the bottom of his Wiki; of course you could also make a 'twisted' cable as he 
shows elsewhere.

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Kmiec 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Ok, I lied, sneaked in to take few pix before dinner night out... Enjoy, and 
let me know if you want me to take any other angle!


  https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ



  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great 
with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to anything 
on my 102.




On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)

  And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.

  But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 
with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if 
maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it into 
an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would work in an 
M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.

  (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)

  m

- Original Message - 
From: Brian White 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
        Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, 
except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.


1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they 
both came together as their own package.


2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate 
cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, 
it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if 
you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.


It's just confusing because of several things:


* The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the 
written directions.

* The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that 
mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't 
actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.

* The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".



So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain 
old, two different cables to work with two different models of computer.

One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, 
the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.


Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the 
cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then 
there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are 
funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every other 
connector in the world does at least today.





On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

  There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals 
that shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total 
parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.

  I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a 
little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along 
with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector 
performs the twists?

  https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice


  I too would like specifically more and

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

That's a possibility, but as far as I can tell no combination of what Chris has 
would work with a 102/200.

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian White 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Probably someone ends up with 3 cables because probably a single long, 
100-only cable (and a 100-only system disk) came with the DVI, and the two 
short ones came later with the 100/200 system disk.

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

I thought we'd discussed this to death a few months ago...

I don't know where this idea of a third cable comes from; when I bought my DVI 
brand new many years ago it came with two cables just as the insert shows, one 
with a 40-pin DIP Plug at the computer end for the M100, and another with a 
2x20 male IDC header with swapped conductor pairs for the 102 & 200, both with 
aluminum foil shielding on one side.

At least that's what I have; I suppose it's possible that they supplied 
something different at some time.

As far as I can tell, when they designed the DVI they arranged the pins so that 
it would connect to the M100 with a straight-through cable; unfortunately the 
40-pin DIP connector they chose for the M100 end does not use the 'standard' 
pinout convention, so when they duplicated that pinout in the dual-20 header in 
the 102 and 200 they had to modify the cable to conform to the non-standard 
pinout.

If they'd used a 'standard' DIP plug and arranged the DVI pins to match there 
would not have been a problem; the pinout description in the DVI manual even 
suggests that there might have been some confusion in the design process...

m


  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian White 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that 
shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total parts, 
one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.

  I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little 
paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along with 
the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector performs 
the twists?

  https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice


  I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, 
especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out 
there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and there 
are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that are good 
enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all possible 
manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands one in your 
hands.




  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?

Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what 
connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.

Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have the 
swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Kmiec 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
      Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 
cable. I guess reading helps... 






  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get 
any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.  


The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from 
the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 system 
bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable on the 100 
together, everything works together.


I guess I still need a cable for the 102...


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm 
working on cleaning it: 


  https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ



  On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and 
connectors please? :) 


We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still 
would really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up 
close and clear just for reference.


-- 
bkw


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay 
package, and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking 
inventory, I got a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, 
and BOTH cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but 
that will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...


  On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 
parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a 
thin slot exa

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 10:11 AM Brian White  wrote:

> Ah! These are good, thank you! Already I can see why you have no twists. I
> won't be able to show you what I mean for a little while but I have
> pictures of at least 5 or 6 different manufactures of dip40 idc connector
> (the blue one in your pics) and I can show how the pins on yours are
> different from all the others.
>

Actually I can show most of what I mean, I can show all the other
connectors as I had previously uploaded those, but I don't have time to
draw on your pic right now to highlight the difference.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/UhRHhuOCz3DtfZl83

-- 
bkw

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

Ah! These are good, thank you! Already I can see why you have no twists. I
won't be able to show you what I mean for a little while but I have
pictures of at least 5 or 6 different manufactures of dip40 idc connector
(the blue one in your pics) and I can show how the pins on yours are
different from all the others.

Mike Stein has previously posted that maker and part number from the blue
one, but although the company still exists, that part is apparantly long
extinct, and the company didn't even answer when I tried to email the
sales/support contact from their web site.

But that could just be because I don't speak whatever language they do.
Their site doesn't have any English version to toggle for instance. Maybe I
should try again only try using google translate to give them something
they can at least read.

So far I have not been able to find any connector with the pin-to-conductor
arrangement like that blue one.

So, at least for now, it looks like there is no better way to make a new
cable today, than the various annoying ways we currently have.

-- 
bkw


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 8:55 AM Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> Ok, I lied, sneaked in to take few pix before dinner night out... Enjoy,
> and let me know if you want me to take any other angle!
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ
>

>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

Probably someone ends up with 3 cables because probably a single long,
100-only cable (and a 100-only system disk) came with the DVI, and the two
short ones came later with the 100/200 system disk.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 6:57 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> None have any twisted pairs - both the long cable and two short cables
> that connect together are straight through.
>
> Interesting trivia - found a resume on a disk that came with it -
> apparently this unit belonged to a Radio Shack store manager in OH in the
> mid 80s :)
>
> Let me know if you guys need me to take any other pictures, I'll be happy
> to help. And if someone wants to build me a 102 cable, I'll pay for it!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A *third*cable?!?
>>
>> Do any of them have twisted pairs like this or are they all straight
>> through by any chance?:
>>
>> [image: File:T200 DVI Cable Original Plug 1.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:24 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>
>> Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday.
>>
>> What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door
>> for the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4
>> inch out past the back.
>>
>> I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI.
>> Together they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100
>> socket to DVI.
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)
>>>
>>> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.
>>>
>>> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100
>>> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if
>>> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it
>>> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would
>>> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.
>>>
>>> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>>
>>> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
>>> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.
>>>
>>> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they
>>> both came together as their own package.
>>>
>>> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate
>>> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to
>>> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like
>>> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.
>>>
>>> It's just confusing because of several things:
>>>
>>> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
>>> written directions.
>>> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that
>>> mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector"
>>> doesn't actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to
>>> it.
>>> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".
>>>
>>> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain
>>> old, two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
>>> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it,
>>> the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.
>>>
>>> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
>>> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
>>> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
>>> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
>>> other connector in the world does at least today.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> 

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

Ok, I lied, sneaked in to take few pix before dinner night out... Enjoy,
and let me know if you want me to take any other angle!

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great
> with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to
> anything on my 102.
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)
>
> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.
>
> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100
> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if
> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it
> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would
> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.
>
> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)
>
> m
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>
> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.
>
> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they
> both came together as their own package.
>
> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate
> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to
> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like
> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.
>
> It's just confusing because of several things:
>
> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
> written directions.
> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate,
> the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't
> actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.
> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".
>
> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old,
> two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the
> cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.
>
> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
> other connector in the world does at least today.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
>> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
>> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
>> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a
>> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later
>> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way
>> connector performs the twists?
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice
>>
>> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables,
>> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out
>> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and
>> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that
>> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all
>> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands
>> one in your hands.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?
>>>
>>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what
>>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.
>>>
>>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have
>>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

None have any twisted pairs - both the long cable and two short cables that
connect together are straight through.

Interesting trivia - found a resume on a disk that came with it -
apparently this unit belonged to a Radio Shack store manager in OH in the
mid 80s :)

Let me know if you guys need me to take any other pictures, I'll be happy
to help. And if someone wants to build me a 102 cable, I'll pay for it!

Thanks!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A *third*cable?!?
>
> Do any of them have twisted pairs like this or are they all straight
> through by any chance?:
>
> [image: File:T200 DVI Cable Original Plug 1.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>
> Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday.
>
> What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door
> for the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4
> inch out past the back.
>
> I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI.
> Together they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100
> socket to DVI.
>
> On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)
>>
>> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.
>>
>> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100
>> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if
>> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it
>> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would
>> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.
>>
>> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>
>> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
>> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.
>>
>> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they
>> both came together as their own package.
>>
>> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate
>> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to
>> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like
>> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.
>>
>> It's just confusing because of several things:
>>
>> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
>> written directions.
>> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that
>> mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector"
>> doesn't actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to
>> it.
>> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".
>>
>> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old,
>> two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
>> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it,
>> the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.
>>
>> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
>> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
>> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
>> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
>> other connector in the world does at least today.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
>>> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
>>> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
>>> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a
>>> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later
>>> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way
>>> connector performs the twists?
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice
>>>
>>> I too would like specifically mor

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little
paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along
with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector
performs the twists?

https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice

I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables,
especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out
there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and
there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that
are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all
possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands
one in your hands.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?
>
> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what
> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.
>
> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have the
> swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?
>
> m
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>
> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 cable.
> I guess reading helps...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get
>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.
>>
>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from
>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102
>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable
>> on the 100 together, everything works together.
>>
>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102...
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm
>>> working on cleaning it:
>>>
>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and connectors
>>>> please? :)
>>>>
>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would
>>>> really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up close
>>>> and clear just for reference.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bkw
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, and
>>>>> despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, I got
>>>>> a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH
>>>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but that
>>>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 parts
>>>>>> of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a
>>>>>> thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 wires,
>>>>>> insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them 
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off
>>>>>> the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in 
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> bkw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tandy.wik

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

A *third*cable?!?

Do any of them have twisted pairs like this or are they all straight through by 
any chance?:






- Original Message - 
  From: Chris Kmiec 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday.


  What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door for 
the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4 inch out 
past the back. 


  I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI. Together 
they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100 socket to DVI.


  On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)

And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.

But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 with 
both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if maybe 
someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it into an 
M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would work in an 
M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.

(I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)

m

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian White 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
      Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, 
except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.


  1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they 
both came together as their own package.


  2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate 
cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, 
it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if 
you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.


  It's just confusing because of several things:


  * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the 
written directions.

  * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that 
mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't 
actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.

  * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".



  So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old, 
two different cables to work with two different models of computer.

  One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, 
the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.


  Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the 
cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then 
there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are 
funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every other 
connector in the world does at least today.





  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals 
that shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total 
parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.

I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a 
little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along 
with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector 
performs the twists?

https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice


I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, 
especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out 
there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and there 
are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that are good 
enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all possible 
manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands one in your 
hands.




On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?

  Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what 
connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.

  Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 
have the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?

  m
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Kmiec 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 
cable. I guess 

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

Now that is interesting.

-- 
bkw

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 8:26 PM Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great
> with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to
> anything on my 102.
>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great
with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to
anything on my 102.

On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)

And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.

But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 with
both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if
maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it
into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would
work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.

(I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)

m


- Original Message -
*From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.

1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they both
came together as their own package.

2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate cables,
not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, it's
just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if you
do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.

It's just confusing because of several things:

* The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
written directions.
* The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate,
the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't
actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.
* The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".

So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old,
two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the
cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.

Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
other connector in the world does at least today.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little
> paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along
> with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector
> performs the twists?
>
> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice
>
> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables,
> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out
> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and
> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that
> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all
> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands
> one in your hands.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?
>>
>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what
>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.
>>
>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have
>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?
>>
>> m
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>
>> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100
>> cable. I guess reading helps...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get
>>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.
>>>
>>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from
>>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102
>>> system bus. When I connect the

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday.

What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door
for the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4
inch out past the back.

I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI.
Together they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100
socket to DVI.

On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)
>
> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.
>
> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100
> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if
> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it
> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would
> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.
>
> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)
>
> m
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>
> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.
>
> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they
> both came together as their own package.
>
> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate
> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to
> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like
> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.
>
> It's just confusing because of several things:
>
> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
> written directions.
> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate,
> the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't
> actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.
> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".
>
> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old,
> two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the
> cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.
>
> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
> other connector in the world does at least today.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
>> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
>> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
>> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a
>> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later
>> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way
>> connector performs the twists?
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice
>>
>> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables,
>> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out
>> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and
>> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that
>> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all
>> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands
>> one in your hands.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?
>>>
>>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what
>>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.
>>>
>>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have
>>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 10

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

Agreed; we need better pictures ;-)

And yes, the insert is definitely confusing.

But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 with 
both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if maybe 
someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it into an 
M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would work in an 
M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102.

(I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-)

m

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian White 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, except, 
looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.


  1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they both 
came together as their own package.


  2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate cables, 
not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, it's 
just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if you do 
what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.


  It's just confusing because of several things:


  * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the written 
directions.

  * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate, 
the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't 
actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.

  * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".



  So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old, two 
different cables to work with two different models of computer.

  One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the 
cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.


  Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the cables 
and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then there 
should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are funky 
connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every other 
connector in the world does at least today.





  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that 
shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total parts, 
one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.

I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little 
paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along with 
the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector performs 
the twists?

https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice


I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, 
especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out 
there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and there 
are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that are good 
enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all possible 
manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands one in your 
hands.




On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?

  Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what 
connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.

  Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have 
the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?

  m
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Kmiec 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
        Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 
cable. I guess reading helps... 






On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't 
get any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.  


  The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom 
from the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 
system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable on 
the 100 together, everything works together.


  I guess I still need a cable for the 102...


  On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

:) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm 
working on cleaning it: 


https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ



On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers,
except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up.

1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they both
came together as their own package.

2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate cables,
not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, it's
just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if you
do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that.

It's just confusing because of several things:

* The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the
written directions.
* The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate,
the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't
actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it.
* The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included".

So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old,
two different cables to work with two different models of computer.
One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the
cables are never supposed to be connected to each other.

Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the
cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then
there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are
funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every
other connector in the world does at least today.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that
> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total
> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI.
> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little
> paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along
> with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector
> performs the twists?
>
> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice
>
> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables,
> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out
> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and
> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that
> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all
> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands
> one in your hands.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?
>>
>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what
>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.
>>
>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have
>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?
>>
>> m
>>
>> ----- Original Message -
>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102
>>
>> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100
>> cable. I guess reading helps...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get
>>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.
>>>
>>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from
>>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102
>>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable
>>> on the 100 together, everything works together.
>>>
>>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm
>>>> working on cleaning it:
>>>>
>>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and
>>>>> connectors please? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would
>>>>&g

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable?

Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what connector 
belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them.

Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have the 
swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki?

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Kmiec 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 cable. I 
guess reading helps...






  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get any 
of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable. 


The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from the 
system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 system bus. 
When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable on the 100 
together, everything works together.


I guess I still need a cable for the 102...


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm working 
on cleaning it:


  https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ



  On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and connectors 
please? :)


We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would 
really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up close and 
clear just for reference.


-- 
bkw


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, 
and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, I got 
a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH cables, 
one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but that will have to 
wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...


  On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 
parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a 
thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable through.


I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 
wires, insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them 
all into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off 
the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in place.


-- 
bkw


On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface


  It's a pain but it's doable.


  The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result 
unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the strain 
relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted  wires into a flat 
ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin idc connector. 
I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool.


  But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can 
see what you need to do.


  On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it 
needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100 
bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone have 
instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?


Thanks!

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 cable.
I guess reading helps...



On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get any
> of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.
>
> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from the
> system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 system
> bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable on the
> 100 together, everything works together.
>
> I guess I still need a cable for the 102...
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>
>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm working
>> on cleaning it:
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and connectors
>>> please? :)
>>>
>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would
>>> really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up close
>>> and clear just for reference.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, and
 despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, I got
 a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH
 cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but that
 will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White 
 wrote:

> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 parts
> of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a
> thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable through.
>
> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 wires,
> insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them 
> all
> into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off
> the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in 
> place.
>
> --
> bkw
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White  wrote:
>
>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface
>>
>> It's a pain but it's doable.
>>
>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result
>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the
>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted  wires 
>> into a
>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin idc
>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool.
>>
>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see
>> what you need to do.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>>
>>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it
>>> needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100
>>> bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone 
>>> have
>>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

>>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Chris Kmiec]

OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get any
of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable.

The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from the
system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 system
bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable on the
100 together, everything works together.

I guess I still need a cable for the 102...

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm working
> on cleaning it:
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White  wrote:
>
>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and connectors
>> please? :)
>>
>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would
>> really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up close
>> and clear just for reference.
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, and
>>> despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, I got
>>> a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH
>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but that
>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>>
 The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 parts
 of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a
 thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable through.

 I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 wires,
 insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them all
 into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off
 the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in 
 place.

 --
 bkw

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White  wrote:

> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface
>
> It's a pain but it's doable.
>
> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result
> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the
> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted  wires into 
> a
> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin idc
> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool.
>
> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see
> what you need to do.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>
>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it needs
>> a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100 
>> bundled,
>> I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone have
>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>>>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and connectors
please? :)

We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would
really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up close
and clear just for reference.

-- 
bkw

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, and
> despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, I got
> a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH
> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but that
> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself...
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>
>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 parts of
>> an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar forms a thin
>> slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable through.
>>
>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 wires,
>> insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them all
>> into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off
>> the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in place.
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White  wrote:
>>
>>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface
>>>
>>> It's a pain but it's doable.
>>>
>>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result
>>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the
>>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted  wires into a
>>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin idc
>>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool.
>>>
>>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see what
>>> you need to do.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec  wrote:
>>>
 Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it needs a
 different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100 bundled, I
 want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone have
 instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?

 Thanks!

>>>
>

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Mike Stein]

Pretty good writeup here:

http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface:_Cable
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Kmiec 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 7:44 AM
  Subject: [M100] DVI cable for 102


  Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it needs a 
different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100 bundled, I 
want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone have instructions, 
info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?


  Thanks!

Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102

[Brian White]

http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface

It's a pain but it's doable.

The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result
unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the
strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted  wires into a
flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin idc
connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool.

But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see what you
need to do.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec  wrote:

> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it needs a
> different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a 100 bundled, I
> want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone have
> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy one?
>
> Thanks!
>