Hi Eric, James and others, Using iBooks would be an excellent suggestion, especially if there is a setting in VoiceOver and/or iBooks that I'm missing.
While using the two finger swipe down gesture to read "take control of the command line" in epub format, it was often necessary to ascertain the exact text or punctuation. In read-all mode I could not find a way to have voiceover say all punctuation, which would have made things more understandable when items with vowels were pronounced as words. The only way to really know the exact syntax was to stop VO, and move via word or character navigation to the start and flick through it one character at a time. This process is rendered harder by the fact that stopping from read-all does not appear to place the insertion pointer anywhere near the desired content. The other thing I noticed was that image captions are often read. Therefore in the case of the missing manual series where images are described in detail and that identical text is used to caption the associated image, the result is many time consuming entries from the department of redundancy department (DORD). My thought was that if I could instead read on the Mac, I could cut/paste examples from the take control book into terminal, and perhaps blow off image captions. Thanks to all who contributed preview and PDF reading suggestions also!! Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: James AUSTIN To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Navigating in Preview. Fileapp is also a good choice for reading PDFs on the iPhone. Interestingly, although Skim is touted to be a better PDF reader than Preview, for some reason, if you are reading in "single page" view, when you move to a new page in Skim, VoiceOver does not start reading from the top of the page when reading manually with the VO keys. You can contact me in the following ways: E-Mail:james.aus...@mac-access.net MSN: james.londons...@gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you On 4 Feb 2012, at 20:45, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > I have read PDF files on the iPhone in ibooks. Is that a option? Or is using the iPhone not a good option for reading this file? I'm pretty sure you have a iPhone as I believe I remember several helpful and several humorous posts you have made regarding its use. > > Best, > I still find PDF reading on the Mac and on PC challenging. > > > > eric Caron > > On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Thanks to all who responded. I may buy Skim though its primary function seems to be features I don't care about. >> >> Travis stated that its not hard to get where you want to go, and that is a reasonable expectation. After hiding the tool bar it seemed to work better, but now when I quit interacting, and bring up the go to page dialog via command-option-g and interact immediately, my focus remains where ever I was previously. Page up/down also have no apparent affect. Reading this 900 page file one page at a time (toggling interacting every step) is not a viable option. >> >> If this is in fact "not hard", perhaps you can offer a suggestion? >> >> TIA and best regards. >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Travis Siegel >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: Navigating in Preview. >> >> >> If you're having trouble with previews continous view, try the single >> page view instead. This will only allow one page at a time to be >> vissible to vo, so that you won't be dropped back at the beginning of >> the document. There's some tricks for staying where you want to be >> in the preview app, but it's all dependent on whether or not you're >> interacting, and how your cursors are set, and (apparently) sometimes >> where the real cursor is. It's actually not hard to get where you >> want to go, but it is a bit tricky, and takes timing sometimes (since >> you need to catch vo before it starts reading from page 1, interact >> with the text, then (usually) you're back where vo was, but >> occasionally, this doesn't happen, so you get dropped back at the >> start, which can be quite confusing, especially if you're new to >> preview, and don't know how to move around. >> But, if you turn on single page view, this problem goes away, with >> the only caveat being that you can't read the whole pdf from start to >> finish with a vo-a like you can if it's in cntinuous mode. >> hth. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. 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