Re: Digital camera systems for scanning [was Re: Moutain Lion andEyePal]

2013-03-14 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Morning David,

Well like yourself I tend to have to scan a lot although this is thankfully 
diminishing as most of the Computer Science textbooks are now available in 
electronic format.  I've used the Eyepal a lot for the reasons you have.  If I 
could find a good, very fast Flatbed scanner I'd use it but this will do for 
now.

The topic of whether a student should/shouldn't do their own scanning is off 
topic for this list (which is a shame *smile*) but I can't resist adding I 
agree with you.  Oh just one other thing, and this is a bit of advice which I 
hope you don't mind me giving.  As soon as you get the PHD, get DR. aded to 
your bank account.  Trust me, it's helpful.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 13 Mar 2013, at 22:54, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 I agree Multipage scanning is a must. I wonder if the Hovercam would
 interface with vue Scan?
 
 The other possible option is if the Hovercam could create a folder of Jpgs
 then a more efficient use of finereader may be possible.
 This essentially what I do with EyePal books. These are just folders of jpg
 files with a config  file.  FineReader on the Windows side does a good job
 working on all these to convert them into a Word file. I imagine the Mac
 version would do the same.
 
 Re whether a digital camera is essential I think it depends on what you
 need. I  am  just submitting my PhD and I am sure I would not have achieved
 this without the EyePal, whatever its annoying bugs and foibles. The sheer
 amount of scanning would not have been practical with a flatbed. With the
 eyePal I  can independently scan a 300 page text book in less than an hour.
 The British Library also allowed me access to their Reading rooms with an
 EyePal and Netbook to effectively take digital copies of books there. They
 had a slow flatbed but I would probably have had to book in for bed if I had
 relied on that.
 Admittedly the EyePal software would then take up to 30 minute to convert
 this all to text but I can be getting on with doing something else whilst
 this happens.
 Interestingly people who are blind students have very different attitudes to
 scanning. I was always keen to maximise my independence . I was asked to
 advice someone else embarking on research about strategies. He became
 positively angry at my suggestion that a blind person could, or could ever
 be expected to scan course books independently.   He wanted to use  a
 support worker for this purpose with no input from him. The support worker
 would be employed for hours a weeks inefficiently churning out pages on a
 slow flatbed scanner. The result was very quickly far more expensive than my
 EyePal option.   He was given 6 hours a week at approx £25 and hour. Over
 the 4 years I have spent on my PHD this would have equated to nearly £20,000
 . In that context the £1,600 spent on the Eyepal seems better value. hour. 
 I used support for scanning also, particularly with proofreading crucial
 parts but I think  the digital camera solutions do offer far more potential
 for independence.
 
 David Griffith
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
 Sent: 13 March 2013 22:03
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Digital camera systems for scanning [was Re: Moutain Lion
 andEyePal]
 
 Hi again,
 
 Just to save people some time I've taken a listen to that podcast and here
 are some observations:
 
 1. the paper must be carefully lined up with tactile markings on a supplied
 paper mat.  The demonstrator comments that if the page is crooked, then scan
 quality degrades.
 2.  This one is crucial for me: Mr. Campbell states that he has not been (at
 the time of this recording) able to do a multi page scan.  Unless the Hover
 Cam can be used in conjunction with other software, or indeed multi page
 scanning is possible, then it's a non-starter for me.  I should also add
 that whilst navigating the Hover Cam software interface, I heard a reference
 to a multi page filetype button so it clearly is possible it's just the
 demonstrator has not managed it yet.  On this basis, it cannot be said how
 accessible (or otherwise) the multi page scanning process is.
 
 I'd like to conclude by saying I'm not being in the least critical of the
 podcast here far from it I'm just summarising.  It clearly works.  One can
 hear the results of scanning a creased flyer which were pretty good.  I hope
 this is a fair summary, I'd ask Esther and/or others who have listened to
 correct anything I have got wrong.
 
 Best,
 Dónal
 On 13 Mar 2013, at 21:21, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello Cait, David, Dónal, and Others,
 
 I'm not sure that I agree with David about requiring digital camera
 systems, but as an alternative to the Eyepal, have you listened to the
 recent AppleVis podcast that Matthew Campbell did on Using the HoverCam
 T5-V Document Scanner and ABBYY FineReader as a Scanning Solution on 

Re: Cookie control button

2013-03-14 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Iv'e never had that happen.  What sit situations do you mean to have this 
happen?
On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:57 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 When I go to websites, VoiceOver says cookie control button. 
 Where is the cookie control button to enable cookies? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
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How can you ask VM Fusion for Support ?

2013-03-14 Thread David Griffith
Since I upgraded to Mountain Lion my VM fusion 4 is no longer working
properly . Microsoft believe all my virtual Machines are not genuine.

However I can find no way of contacting VM fusion to report this issue
without having to pay for a support package.

Does anybody know of away that I can contact VM Fusion to have a sensible
dialogue without through a morass of options all of which are trying to get
me to pay more money for a product I have already paid for?

David Griffith.

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Re: OCR with Prizmo on iPhone using StandScan Pro

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Claude,

The StandScan Pro is a foldable box with interior lighting and one open side, 
into which you put a document you want to OCR. There's a round hole in the 
centre of the top over which you place the camera of your smart phone. This 
ensures that the document is well lit and the iPhone can take a good clear 
picture for OCR.

I use Prizmo for OCR as it does a very good job in several languages and is 
quick.

The StandScan Pro is held together with embedded magnets and packs flat to 
about 31 cm by 24 cm and perhaps 2 cm thick. It's made of a sort of glossy 
cardboard and is not at all heavy to carry around.

Cheers,

Anne


On 14 Mar 2013, at 16:15, Claude Everett cever...@dslextreme.com wrote:

 So, is this a portable scanner for the IPhone? 
 
 
 Regards,
 Claude Everett

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Re: Cookie control button

2013-03-14 Thread George Cham
Well, when a website says it  requires cookies, VoiceOver is saying cookie 
control button 


George,

  Sent from my iPad

On 15/03/2013, at 3:38 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Iv'e never had that happen.  What sit situations do you mean to have this 
 happen?
 On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:57 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 When I go to websites, VoiceOver says cookie control button. 
 Where is the cookie control button to enable cookies? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
 George,
 
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Re: Cookie control button

2013-03-14 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Interesting. I've never encountered this issue.  How do you have that set under 
your safari prefs?

Tc.
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 Well, when a website says it  requires cookies, VoiceOver is saying cookie 
 control button 
 
 
 George,
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
 On 15/03/2013, at 3:38 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Iv'e never had that happen.  What sit situations do you mean to have this 
 happen?
 On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:57 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 When I go to websites, VoiceOver says cookie control button. 
 Where is the cookie control button to enable cookies? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
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Re: How can you ask VM Fusion for Support ?

2013-03-14 Thread cait furness
I think you can mammal them for support.  there is an 800 number also on the 
package if you have the original package if you bought the actual cd/dvd.  
Unfortunately you'll be speaking to someone in India or someplace like that.  
Support for VM isn't great, imho whenever I've had issues, which haven't been 
many, gladly.
Good luck!
Caitlyn

On 2013-03-14, at 1:21 PM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Since I upgraded to Mountain Lion my VM fusion 4 is no longer working
 properly . Microsoft believe all my virtual Machines are not genuine.
 
 However I can find no way of contacting VM fusion to report this issue
 without having to pay for a support package.
 
 Does anybody know of away that I can contact VM Fusion to have a sensible
 dialogue without through a morass of options all of which are trying to get
 me to pay more money for a product I have already paid for?
 
 David Griffith.
 
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blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Lovette Yewchan
HI there.
I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
Can anyone help?
Thanks.
Lovette

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Re: Moutain Lion and EyePal

2013-03-14 Thread cait furness
thanks David. I'll keep this in mind.  I've had a look at Docuscan and have 
tested it out.  I can't get it to work on my particular machine no matter what 
I do.  Tech support at sam net have tried and they say it's something with my 
particular mac or some garbage-shrug.
that cannon scanner sounds nice.  school will be over in December god  willing 
and then I'll be left with things like scanning the mail, so perhaps vu scan 
and abby will be enough.
Cait

On 2013-03-13, at 8:23 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Eyepal is getting quite old now. At least mine is. When I got it the Eyepal
 was pretty much the only portable digital scanning solution   available.
 Nowadays there are lots more choice.
 
 I started out using Eyepal on a PC and transferred it to my Imac when I got
 that.
 If I was starting out now I would probably not get the Eyepal again, mainly
 because of the inconsistent software support.
 
 I use Abbey finereader on my Windows laptop which does  a good alternative
 OCR job of recognising the images created by the Eyepal on my iMac. I
 imagine the Mac version of finereader would  work just  as well.
 I would probably now investigate a bespoke Mac solution if I were in your
 position, I would try to find anybody who has experience of using docuscan
 and HoverCam.
 
 If you need to do serious amounts of scanning my own view is that flatbed
 scanners just do not cut it.  A digital camera system is probably essential
 .
 
 Yet in terms of OCR accuracy the best scanner I have ever used was not a
 digital camera system but a Cannon 2580  duplex document scanner. This was
 great but had the disadvantage that it could only accept loose sheets
 through its feeder. I therefore had to tear all the pages out of books to
 feed them through.  Once this was done the scan was fast and accurate. This
 was worth it for the superb scanning results, especially in conjunction with
 the amazing Microsoft document scanning software, sadly no longer available.
 Of course the books were ruined for anybody else.
 Unfortunately I can find no way of getting the Mac to recognise the Canon
 DR2580. This was in its time, a specialist Trade Scanner used by print shops
 so was not that common. Vue Scan is completely unable to recognise it.  No
 drivers appear to work on the Mac so I am stuck with using it with my
 Windows machines.
 I have had similar problems with my flatbed canon scanner which again the
 Mac struggle with big time. I now use only Eyepal on the Mac and use the
 Canon scanners with Windows machines.
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of cait furness
 Sent: 13 March 2013 11:10
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Moutain Lion and EyePal
 
 I couldn't see the results of the scan.  I suspect that I didn't quite
 understand what I needed to do to get that to happen.  Can you both scan and
 recognize with abby?  or do I need both programs for this?  I thought I had
 to scan with vu scan and then use abby to recognize the scan.  It's been a
 while since I tried.  I finally gave up and went back to k1000 since I have
 school to deal with and reams of texts to muddle through.
 thanks heaps,
 Cait
 
 On 2013-03-13, at 7:05 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 wrote:
 
 Those two programs are all mac.  What issues did you have?
 
 You're essentially spending 2K on a webcam that talks to (in my view
 anyway) only very average software.  Interestingly, the mac version isn't
 even a genuine mac program it runs under WINE which needs X11.
 On 13 Mar 2013, at 11:01, cait furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm, ok.  I am used to kurzweil.  I had a go with abby and vu scan and
 couldn't get them to work and would just like an all mac solution.  Perhaps
 I'll give abby and vu scan another shot or just stick with running a virtual
 machine then.
 Thanks for the tips.
 Cait
 
 On 2013-03-13, at 6:53 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 At over 2000 euro? not a chance.  I only use it because the university
 for which I work had it lying around and I borrowed it until a student comes
 in and gets it back.  I would honestly say to spend a couple of hundred of
 whatever currency you operate in, and buy a decent scanner, Vuscan and ABYY
 FineReader Express.  You'll get the same results for a fraction of the cost.
 
 Dónal
 On 13 Mar 2013, at 10:49, cait furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Besides this weirdness, would you say that i pal is worth the purchase?
 Curiously,
 Caitlyn, who is thinking of getting it later this year
 
 On 2013-03-12, at 7:57 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Oops my apologies I thought I had followed up with the list on this
 one.
 
 I did some work with the developers, in the form of feedback and beta
 testing on ML last year.  They were actually unaware it 

Re: Bento busy?

2013-03-14 Thread Zachary Kline
Well, I've tried contacting the support team, and got a canned response that 
it's being looked into by their engineering department. They claim they will 
post once they know more, I hope that's actually true.
On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do the devs know about this? I don't use the program as I dont' need to any 
 data base work, how ever I think it woudl be a good idea to contact the devs 
 about this as I know some other list members use bento on their macs.
 
 Take care and good luck.
 
 On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:33, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Zack,
 
 I think Bento is not compatible with VO under Mountain Lion. I haven't found 
 a workaround.
 
 Bryan
 On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 I recently purchased the Bento personal database program from FileMaker, 
 and have been somewhat frustrated. My version came from the Mac App Store, 
 and VoiceOver seems exceedingly sluggish whenever the app gains focus. I 
 remember reading a previous thread many months ago on a similar issue, but 
 not what solution was found.
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 things are unusable, which is a shame because the program otherwise seems 
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Re: How can you ask VM Fusion for Support ?

2013-03-14 Thread Matthew Chao

Recommend VmWare Fusion 5.  4 not so good with Mt. Lion.

Matthew Chao

At 01:21 PM 3/14/2013, you wrote:

Since I upgraded to Mountain Lion my VM fusion 4 is no longer working
properly . Microsoft believe all my virtual Machines are not genuine.

However I can find no way of contacting VM fusion to report this issue
without having to pay for a support package.

Does anybody know of away that I can contact VM Fusion to have a sensible
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Re: How can you ask VM Fusion for Support ?

2013-03-14 Thread Sarah Alawami
WELL ODD. I'M NOT HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH VMWARE 4 AND ML. BUT THEN AGAIN I'M 
LUCKY.

GOOD LUCK IN CONTACTING THEM FOR SUPPORT.



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 Recommend VmWare Fusion 5.  4 not so good with Mt. Lion.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
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 Since I upgraded to Mountain Lion my VM fusion 4 is no longer working
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 without having to pay for a support package.
 
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Re: Upgrade to Mountain Lion - Fusion Problem

2013-03-14 Thread sadam ahmed
Hi David,

have you tried using Fusion 5.0 with ML?

Kind regards,

Mr Sadam Ahmed

Mobile:

0435892944

Skype:

Sadamahmed1992


On 3/13/13, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 No. all went well. and my windows vmdm migrated with out a hitch. Maybe
 contact the vmware forum, if you can navigate that site. That site is a
 mess.

 Tc all.
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 wrote:

 I have upgraded to Mountain Lion this evening.
 All appears to have gone well  with the exception of Fusion.
 I am running Fusion 4.
 I have updated Fusion.
 Despite this now Windows 7 is teeling me that it is no longer genuine,
 which it most certainly is.
 Has anybody else come across this problem with Fusion after an upgrade to
 ML.
 Does anybody know of a solution?

 David Griffith
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Re: blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Sarah Alawami
I don't know what that site is, but  vo space on the file and see if it 
activates a download link.

Wahjt errors if any are you getting?

Take care.



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 I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
 I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks.
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Re: blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Lovette Yewchan
I already tried that I am afraid.
No errors just not getting the files.
Thanks.

On 2013-03-14, at 4:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I don't know what that site is, but  vo space on the file and see if it 
 activates a download link.
 
 Wahjt errors if any are you getting?
 
 Take care.
 
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:41, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 HI there.
 I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
 I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks.
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Re: blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
Is it not control+enter!
for download!
Colin

On 14 Mar 2013, at 23:57, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:

 I already tried that I am afraid.
 No errors just not getting the files.
 Thanks.
 
 On 2013-03-14, at 4:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I don't know what that site is, but  vo space on the file and see if it 
 activates a download link.
 
 Wahjt errors if any are you getting?
 
 Take care.
 
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:41, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 HI there.
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 I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
 Can anyone help?
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Re: blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Lovette Yewchan
tried that too.

On 2013-03-14, at 5:14 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

 I believe the keystroke you want is option-enter.
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Is it not control+enter!
 for download!
 Colin
 
 On 14 Mar 2013, at 23:57, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 I already tried that I am afraid.
 No errors just not getting the files.
 Thanks.
 
 On 2013-03-14, at 4:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I don't know what that site is, but  vo space on the file and see if it 
 activates a download link.
 
 Wahjt errors if any are you getting?
 
 Take care.
 
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:41, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 HI there.
 I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
 I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks.
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Re: blindhow.com

2013-03-14 Thread Esther
Hi Lovette,

I'm not at my computer so I can't test this, but try to do a Control-Click when 
you're focused on the link that you want to download. On a laptop I would hold 
down the Control key while I performed a click action by pressing down on my 
TrackPad (with TrackPad Commander disabled).  If you can't do a click with a 
TrackPad try the following as an alternative:
1. Move to the link that you want and bring up the contextual menu with 
VO-Shift-m.  There should be an option to copy the link -- at least, there is 
such an option on my iPhone.
2. Move to the address bar of your browser with Command-l, then paste the 
link's address there with Command-v.
3. Now press Option-Enter to force the download.

What's happening, I think, is that the site's server is set to stream the 
audio, so you're not directly linked to a file that can get focus when you're 
on the link.  There may or may not be an option to download a linked file in 
the context menu for the link, but Control-click is a hardware action that will 
force the download.  If you can't do a control-click, using the option to copy 
the link, then moving to the Safari address bar and pasting the link will 
highlight it, and will allow Option+enter to force the download.  On most links 
simply bringing VoiceOver's focus to the link serves to highlight the link, 
unless it is embedded in additional HTML code, or the web site's server is not 
letting you get direct access.

Write back if this doesn't work. HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:

 tried that too.
 
 On 2013-03-14, at 5:14 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 
 I believe the keystroke you want is option-enter.
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Is it not control+enter!
 for download!
 Colin
 
 On 14 Mar 2013, at 23:57, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 I already tried that I am afraid.
 No errors just not getting the files.
 Thanks.
 
 On 2013-03-14, at 4:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I don't know what that site is, but  vo space on the file and see if it 
 activates a download link.
 
 Wahjt errors if any are you getting?
 
 Take care.
 
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:41, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 HI there.
 I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
 I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks.
 Lovette
 
 
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