Re: [MacGroup] Just What is a Stingray?

[John Robinson]

Lee, here is an article about the FCC & Stingrays from last year  

John

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gizmodo.com_lawmakers-2Durge-2Dfcc-2Dto-2Dact-2Don-2Dreports-2Dof-2Dillegal-2Dstingra-2D1825027480=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=D1ryCCzF8t3libGlc1RtfumZBc2fGpV-90BYlj4pYGQ=dZMdU4ZVVpaLSR1jJX6ckzwsY_biGXpFqE5UMIG_ryQ=

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 9:53 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
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>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:55 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
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>> I though a Stingray was a fish, or a car….
>> 
> I’ve never understood why they’re legal. They intercept all traffic intended 
> for a cell tower, not just that from phones for which the police they have 
> warrants. Also, they’ve got to really mess up the local cell towers when they 
> are impersonating the tower, inconveniencing how many people and maybe 
> emergency services. (Has the FCC ruled on their use?)
> 
> L^2
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Re: [MacGroup] Just What is a Stingray?

[John Robinson]

Apple is a master at protecting their users, this one may end up in the courts. 
 They have already conquered the code, now it becomes a social issue. 

John

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Jonathan Fletcher  
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> That would be a great thing if Apple could succeed at that, but the police 
> (especially those in totalitarian states ChinaSaudi 
> ArabiaIran*) would absolutely HATE it!
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> Jonathan
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> *I didn’t say North Korea, because phones there are likely few and far 
> between.
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>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:55 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
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>> I though a Stingray was a fish, or a car….
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[Jonathan Fletcher]

That would be a great thing if Apple could succeed at that, but the police 
(especially those in totalitarian states ChinaSaudi 
ArabiaIran*) would absolutely HATE it!

Jonathan

*I didn’t say North Korea, because phones there are likely few and far between.



> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:55 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
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> I though a Stingray was a fish, or a car….




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Re: [MacGroup] Just What is a Stingray?

[Lee Larson]

On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:55 PM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@me.com>> wrote:

> I though a Stingray was a fish, or a car….
> 
I’ve never understood why they’re legal. They intercept all traffic intended 
for a cell tower, not just that from phones for which the police they have 
warrants. Also, they’ve got to really mess up the local cell towers when they 
are impersonating the tower, inconveniencing how many people and maybe 
emergency services. (Has the FCC ruled on their use?)

L^2


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[MacGroup] Just What is a Stingray?

[John Robinson]

I though a Stingray was a fish, or a car….


Learn something new each day.

John

Apple’s anti-snitching technology could frustrate police
Ed Hardy 
11:00
 am, March 11, 2019

Stingrays mimic cell towers, and are used by both criminals and police. 
Photo: Pexels 
https://www.pexels.com/photo/antennas-communication-connection-frequency-579471/%E2%80%9D>
Apple wants to use encryptions to make “stingray” phone spying tools obsolete. 
The move is likely to be controversial because while these are used by 
criminals they are also employed by police.


Stingrays 101

A stingray — also called an IMSI catcher — pretends to be a cell tower. These 
devices trick a target’s phone into connecting instead of a real cell tower, 
then monitor traffic that passes between the phone and the network. 

They can be used to determine a user’s exact location, as well as what numbers 
are dialed. Some can listen in on phone calls. 

Stingrays are used by the FBI and DEA, as well as local law-enforcement 
agencies. That are also employed by police in the UK and many other countries.

And, of course, they are also used by criminals.

Apple to the rescue

Apple has patented a method of encrypting the data that travels between cell 
towers and phones, according to Britain’s Telegraph 
.
  This would prevent anyone from discovering the IMSI (international mobile 
subscriber identity) number for mobile devices, making tracking them much 
harder.

Whether this proposed tech will actually go into use is unknown. Companies 
frequently patent ideas that never reach fruition.



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