Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-13 Thread js
I think it's about a time to decide how we handle this. I wanted to change python24 to be python25-like design for consistency. Derek disagreed this idea from python24 users standpoint. Rainer seemed to agree with me, but might not like adding dropped mods to python port as dependencies. Options:

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-12 Thread js
The benefit is that python24 and python25 both uses almost same standard mods. Please note that I'm not sure adding this dependency is good thing. I just wanted to say keeping python ports similar would preferable, in my opinion. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Rainer Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-11 Thread js
Yes, that may be confusing. But it seems that your solution is to make everyone that runs a port upgrade python24 discover they don't have zlib anymore. Thats all I'm pointing out. That would be avoidable without any hassle. depend_lib or ui_msg? It also presumably involves you running

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-11 Thread Rainer Müller
js wrote: If I add zlib dependency to python24, I'd also add it to python25. But if you you add it as dependency, what is the benefit from putting it in its own port? Rainer ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-10 Thread Rainer Müller
Derek Harland wrote: I'm not sure I particularly like this proposed change. As I understand it, you explicitly want to *downgrade* the functionality of python24 to make it more like python25, by for example, removing hashlib and zlib. I cannot understand the logic of this. This can

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-10 Thread js
To lower this risk, I could resign python24 port to separate some of sorry, another typo s/resign/redesign/ ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macports-dev

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-10 Thread Derek Harland
On 11/03/2008, at 4:21 AM, Rainer Müller wrote: Derek Harland wrote: I'm not sure I particularly like this proposed change. As I understand it, you explicitly want to *downgrade* the functionality of python24 to make it more like python25, by for example, removing hashlib and

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-10 Thread Derek Harland
On 11/03/2008, at 3:43 AM, js wrote: Hi Derek, Thanks for your feedback. My intention was to make python24 and python25 looks the same as possible, not to downgrade python24. I thoguht I would be confused if I upgraded python port from 2.4 to 2.5 and found that I cannot import

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't (js)

2008-03-09 Thread Derek Harland
On 8/03/2008, at 8:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 00:22:42 +0900 From: js [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default,but python25 doesn't To: Markus Weissmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MacPorts Developers macports-dev

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-03-07 Thread js
Apparently more people like this change. I'll get back to trac ticket and start working on this. On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:39 AM, js [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for thorough explanation. That makes sense. The reason why I started this discussion is that I want to make python24

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-20 Thread js
Hi Markus, does not compute: python25 drops but python25 doesn't -- contradiction detected. ;) Oops! That's typo. My question was why python2.4 and 2.5 is different. If the question was why python25 does not build all auxiliary modules [1] like _sqlite3 etc.: For people who don't need

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-20 Thread Markus Weissmann
On 20 Feb 2008, at 15:48, js wrote: Hi Markus, does not compute: python25 drops but python25 doesn't -- contradiction detected. ;) Oops! That's typo. My question was why python2.4 and 2.5 is different. If the question was why python25 does not build all auxiliary modules [1] like

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-20 Thread js
Thanks for thorough explanation. That makes sense. The reason why I started this discussion is that I want to make python24 to be python25-like port. What if I created patches for this, Would you accept that changes? well, what else do you want to change? There already are

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-19 Thread Boyd Waters
On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Markus Weissmann wrote: For people who don't need e.g. tk-support, building all those dependencies is unnecessary. Yes! And for those who are banging on a 64-bit Python, we can't touch anything that uses a Carbon API. Like Tk. Has anyone successfully built a

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-18 Thread js
There seems to be few people who is interested in this issue :( I really love to fix this for consistency. If somebody asked, I'd do create py25-ports which already exist for python24. python25 should be more used than python24. The more modules python25 has, the more people likely to use

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-18 Thread Rainer Müller
js wrote: Just out of curiosity, could you tell me why default python25 drops those modoles? I really don't know it, Markus will know more about it. Rainer ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org

Re: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't

2008-02-18 Thread Markus Weissmann
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:27, Rainer Müller wrote: js wrote: Just out of curiosity, could you tell me why default python25 drops those modoles? I really don't know it, Markus will know more about it. does not compute: python25 drops but python25 doesn't -- contradiction detected. ;) If the

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2008-02-16 Thread js
*. Forwarded Conversation Subject: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't From: MacPorts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 11:51 AM #14342