gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Watson Ladd
Dear all, When I attempt to compile a C program using -march=native I receive a bunch of errors about nonexistent instructions in temporary assembler files. This does not happen without that command. Does anyone have any bright ideas for how to fix this? Has anyone else had this problem and been

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Vincent Habchi
Le 18 mars 2014 à 07:06, Watson Ladd watsonbl...@gmail.com a écrit : Dear all, When I attempt to compile a C program using -march=native I receive a bunch of errors about nonexistent instructions in temporary assembler files. This does not happen without that command. Does anyone have any

Re: clang memory usage vs. gcc (and OS X 10.8, 10.9, ...)

2014-03-18 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Hi On Tuesday March 18 2014 08:54:04 James Linder wrote: Somewhat OT so would you mind mailing me directly (unless of interest here) I think it is (for any developer ...) So … what did you do and how? I don't have the exact URLs at hand, but there is a description out there on how to get

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Tuesday March 18 2014 09:43:57 Vincent Habchi wrote: If you want to use the -march=native switch, use Clang instead (LLVM-AS handles new extensions correctly). Or use -march=native -no-avx , or simply -march=core2 if you insist on having AVX. Note that when your code isn't optimised for

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Vincent Habchi
Salut René, Le 18 mars 2014 à 10:44, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tuesday March 18 2014 09:43:57 Vincent Habchi wrote: If you want to use the -march=native switch, use Clang instead (LLVM-AS handles new extensions correctly). Or use -march=native -no-avx , or simply

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Chris Jones
That’s not what the latest Phoronix tests seemed to point out (but with clang 3.4). http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=llvm34_gcc49_compilersnum=1 I agree. Clang and GCC are pretty much neck and neck these days, as far as my tests go.

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi I’ve given Homebrew a quick try in a VM and it doesn’t seem that different in functionality. (Except that I do wish we had something like Homebrew-cask.) So, other than the coolness factor (which I guess comes partly from being “the new thing”, and partly from using Github for all

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Tuesday March 18 2014 10:31:44 you wrote: That’s not what the latest Phoronix tests seemed to point out (but with clang 3.4). http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=llvm34_gcc49_compilersnum=1 I agree. Clang and GCC are pretty much neck and neck these days, as far as my

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Chris Jones
On 18/03/14 11:14, Vincent Habchi wrote: Le 18 mars 2014 à 12:01, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com a écrit : A bit OT, but is clang the reason libeigen doesn't currently build on OS X 10.9? Er… I think eigen3 was building fine with clang, except the BLAS part which requires a Fortran

eigen

2014-03-18 Thread René J.V. Bertin
On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:14, Vincent Habchi wrote: Le 18 mars 2014 à 12:01, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com a écrit : A bit OT, but is clang the reason libeigen doesn't currently build on OS X 10.9? Er… I think eigen3 was building fine with clang, except the BLAS part which

Re: gcc-mp-4.8 -march=native fails

2014-03-18 Thread Vincent Habchi
Le 18 mars 2014 à 12:28, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk a écrit : ... and for fortran support, it is fine to mix gfortran from any gcc compiler, with clang, as there are no issues with mixing c++ runtimes (as obviously fortran doesn't need this). That’s fortunate, because otherwise

Re: glib user_data_dir set to /opt/local/share

2014-03-18 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Mar 18, 2014, at 00:30, Jonathan Koren wrote: I’m on Mavricks with MacPorts 2.2.1 I recently upgraded the meld port (@1.8.4), and now when ever I try to run it, it blows up with an OSError. (OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/local/share/meld/recent-NbPmhP.meldcmp’ )

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
Marketing. Ease of use. Davor Cubranic cubra...@stat.ubc.ca wrote: On Mar 12, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Art McGee amc...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that the presentation of the case for supporting MacPorts was confusing and unconvincing, so usage statistics are not going to help in that matter.

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Mar 17, 2014, at 22:42, Davor Cubranic wrote: I’ve given Homebrew a quick try in a VM and it doesn’t seem that different in functionality. (Except that I do wish we had something like Homebrew-cask.) For those of us not familiar with Homebrew: what is this feature? what does it do?

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Eric Gallager
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.orgwrote: On Mar 17, 2014, at 22:42, Davor Cubranic wrote: I've given Homebrew a quick try in a VM and it doesn't seem that different in functionality. (Except that I do wish we had something like Homebrew-cask.) For those

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Guido Soranzio
On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:28pm, Ryan Schmidt-24 wrote: I’ve given Homebrew a quick try in a VM and it doesn’t seem that different in functionality. (Except that I do wish we had something like Homebrew-cask.) For those of us not familiar with Homebrew: what is this feature? what does it do?

database?

2014-03-18 Thread Comer Duncan
Just curious. What's the story about the absence of the ports database for a couple of days it seems? Thanks. Comer ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users

Re: database?

2014-03-18 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
Apple infrastructure is moving things around, and putting them back together. On Mar 18, 2014, at 13:14, Comer Duncan comer.dun...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious. What's the story about the absence of the ports database for a couple of days it seems?

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: - homebrew doesn't try as hard as MacPorts to make builds reproducible. If you install vim, it'll use the first python available. When that's system python it uses that, if it's homebrew python it'll use that (and if its

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: - homebrew doesn't try as hard as MacPorts to make builds reproducible. If you install vim, it'll use the first python available. When that's system

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: - homebrew doesn't try as hard as MacPorts to make builds reproducible. If you install vim, it'll use the first python available. When that's system

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
homebrew will or will appear to get a user to their desired state of “I just need X installed” faster than MacPorts. Their users simply don’t care about what MacPorts does: it isn’t that homebrew has a feature, it’s that homebrew won’t seem to get in the way. On Mar 18, 2014, at 13:36, Arno

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, I'm pretty sure they consider this a strength. I already have Python! Why is MacPorts trying to install a new version!? Certainly, but it leads to situations such as https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/issues/8. They might not have to deal with python because they're not managing

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, homebrew will or will appear to get a user to their desired state of “I just need X installed” faster than MacPorts. Their users simply don’t care about what MacPorts does: it isn’t that homebrew has a feature, it’s that homebrew won’t seem to get in the way. Sure, I'd consider that to

/usr/include/MacPorts.h

2014-03-18 Thread René J.V. Bertin
Not much to do with MacPorts (I hope), but I stumbled across a /usr/include/MacTypes.h file today on my 10.9.2 VM, dated March 17th around 09h (=AM). I noticed it because of clashes in the Boolean typedef with the X11 headers that I never had, at least not before I installed Xcode 5.1 . My VM

Re: /usr/include/MacPorts.h

2014-03-18 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.comwrote: Not much to do with MacPorts (I hope), but I stumbled across a /usr/include/MacTypes.h file today on my 10.9.2 VM, dated March 17th around 09h (=AM). I noticed it because of clashes in the Boolean typedef with the X11

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:54, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: GitHub plus not having to learn/use tcl seem to be the major features that pull people/create interest from what I've seen (but I haven't looked in on

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:54, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: GitHub plus not having to learn/use tcl seem to be the major features that pull people/create interest from what I've seen (but I haven't looked in on it in a while). …right, instead of you have to learn/use ruby. Six of

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Landon Fuller
They seemed to acquire a lot of traction on the basis of marketing; specifically: - Truthiness (an assortment of “advantages” that turned out not to be, claims that ignored technical accuracy and nuance, and claims quite simply rooted in ignorance), and - Outright negative

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Eric A. Borisch
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Landon Fuller land...@macports.org wrote: They seemed to acquire a *lot* of traction on the basis of marketing; specifically: - Truthiness (an assortment of advantages that turned out not to be, claims that ignored technical accuracy and nuance, and claims

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Landon Fuller
On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Eric A. Borisch ebori...@macports.org wrote: However, perhaps we should take a page from their book. Look at the homebrew homepage (http://brew.sh/) * It would be nice a similar minimalist, here is what macports does for you landing page. * A one line

NRPE wrapper is loaded but not NRPE itself

2014-03-18 Thread Pascal Robert
Hi, We use MacPorts to install the NRPE client on most of our OS X boxes, but I have a couple of boxes that have a weird behaviour. After a reboot, the nrpe.wrapper is loaded: # ps auxwww | grep nrpe root 556 0.0 0.0 2467372 1208 ?? Rs4:31PM 0:00.01

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread James Berry
On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric A. Borisch ebori...@macports.org wrote: However, perhaps we should take a page from their book. Look at the homebrew homepage (http://brew.sh/) * It would be nice a similar minimalist, here is what macports does for you landing page. * A one line

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Clemens Lang
* More use of ANSI colors in the log messages (used to distinguish the start of each port, etc., and maybe with different colors for different phases)… all tunable, of course, for those who don’t like color. We should also take a look at `port search', which can currently produce enormous

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Mar 18, 2014, at 16:35, Clemens Lang wrote: * A careful review of what we emit, and when (we don’t clearly distinguish when a port was loaded from a build-bot vs built by hand, unless you know what to look for), etc. Agreed. We should also remove some of the clean messages that might be

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Rainer Müller
On 2014-03-18 22:09, James Berry wrote: For the website, I think the following would help: * Updated design, colors, etc. That has always been the plan, but it just needs someone to do it. I think the last update on the website design dates back to 2007... I would even replace the website

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread MK-MacPorts
On 18 Mar 2014, at 23:06 , Rainer Müller rai...@macports.org wrote: also getting rid of one of the duplicated installation instructions on website/wiki/guide. Well, that’s another big endeavour, because we finally should find a way to condense the information from all three sources + man

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
Pretty sure It’s opt-in. So it’s the antithesis of NSA :-p On Mar 18, 2014, at 18:12, mk-macpo...@techno.ms wrote: Well, the statistics gathering is something I would also like to see (awaiting the new release impatiently), but it’s a little worrisome, because it has a touch of NSA

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread MK-MacPorts
On 18 Mar 2014, at 23:15 , Jeremy Lavergne jer...@lavergne.gotdns.org wrote: Pretty sure It’s opt-in. So it’s the antithesis of NSA :-p I am aware of that, of course. ;-) ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Eric Gallager
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: * More use of ANSI colors in the log messages (used to distinguish the start of each port, etc., and maybe with different colors for different phases)... all tunable, of course, for those who don't like color. We

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, No! Homebrew's search functionality is my biggest problem with it. The columns you mentioned make it hard to read because it makes it harder to see how they are sorted. The alphabetization seems to be in order by column at first, but then at some random row the alphabetical order will

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: Also, consider the OS X startup progress bar, back when OS X had one: originally it was very accurate, but by Tiger it had been changed to just advance at a more or less constant rate regardless what was happening;

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: For less than 10 results, the following looks nice to my eyes: gt; port search git portversion description --- --- babl-devel 0.1.11-20140305 Babl is a library for

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Mark Anderson
Yeah, I think tcl is one of the things that confounds people the most. Not really learned that much anymore. I learned it long ago for CAD tools from IBM. But really, both Homebrew and Macports are domain specific languages from the port writers perspective. You've got to learn it anyway. People

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Mark Anderson
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Landon Fuller land...@macports.org wrote: MacPorts driving you to drink? I hate that. Turned me off the whole project. --Mark ___ Mark E. Anderson e...@emer.net ___ macports-users mailing list

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Craig Treleaven
At 12:48 AM +0100 3/19/14, Clemens Lang wrote: [...] And I'm all for keeping that if there are less than, say 10 search results. When there are more than 10 results, ... Much of the time, the volume of search results is inflated due to perl, python and php subports. (Eg, search for

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Craig Treleaven
At 11:06 PM +0100 3/18/14, Rainer Müller wrote: [...] I would even replace the website with the Trac wiki front page altogether, also getting rid of one of the duplicated installation instructions on website/wiki/guide. I understand that the next release of MacPorts will check for a correct

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Eric A. Borisch
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: Also, we really need to work on the dependency calculation stuff to print a plan of action before starting and print progress information (building port x of y) while building. I wrote a little script for myself that goes and

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Craig Treleaven ctrelea...@cogeco.cawrote: Our 'extra steps', seem to trip up at least half our new users. Another big one would be handling major OS upgrades more cleanly. I think the two issues are that MacPorts detects certain configurations upon install and

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Eric A. Borisch ebori...@macports.orgwrote: I wrote a little script for myself that goes and queries packages.macports.org and determines if a port will be built or use a package; it spits out a dot graph of dependencies colored by which is going to happen.

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Kevin Reid
On Mar 18, 2014, at 19:02, Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: Another big one would be handling major OS upgrades more cleanly. I think the two issues are that MacPorts detects certain configurations upon install and generally all ports need to be rebuilt. Making MacPorts detect the OS

Re: usage numbers for macports vs. homebrew?

2014-03-18 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
This mostly already exists: it’s currently only for packages that are installed. port echo requested port setrequested … Presently, to get your between-installs behavior, you’d dump the output of echo requested to a file then read it back in. Hilariously, our Migration page (!!! this is