Re: Problem with cssh

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Jones
On 13/10/14 01:05, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Sunday October 12 2014 18:54:12 Brandon Allbery wrote: No, it still uses launchd. And, such unusual DISPLAYs *do* exist outside of Only if you leave the launchd plist in place. I prefer to launch my X11 server by hand or not at all, so the

Re: Problem with cssh

2014-10-13 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Monday October 13 2014 09:49:12 Chris Jones wrote: Your mode of operation is highly non-standard... Most people find the launchd approach very convenient. Why would you *want* to have to start it by hand all the time... Because I always have a server running with a couple of xterms and a

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Come to think of it, I can't (or maybe, refuse to) see a good, compelling reason why a local X11 server would have to use a non-human-readable $DISPLAY spec if it can be identified uniquely through :0 (or :1, :2 etc for subsequent instances). It's also how Linux manages things if additional

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Jones
On 13/10/14 11:50, René J.V. Bertin wrote: Come to think of it, I can't (or maybe, refuse to) see a good, compelling reason why a local X11 server would have to use a non-human-readable $DISPLAY spec if it can be identified uniquely through :0 (or :1, :2 etc for subsequent instances). It's

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:50 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: Come to think of it, I can't (or maybe, refuse to) see a good, compelling reason why a local X11 server would have to use a non-human-readable $DISPLAY spec if it can be identified uniquely through :0 (or :1, :2 etc for

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:53 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: The simple reason to why Linux does it one way and OS X another, however, is that on Linux X11 is primary and gets naming rights. on OS X, it is an interloper and does not get to choose for itself how the system it's on

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Jones
Hi, Any scripts that make any assumptions on what $DISPLAY looks like are flawed by designed... I don't agree : (and not being an English fully-native speaker myself I won't comment about arguments with grammatical errors :P ) http://www.xfree86.org/4.0/X.7.html#toc4

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk wrote: My argument is not based on what some standard says about what DISPLAY should or should look like, but the basic premise that extracting information from $DISPLAY is just a bad idea and should be avoided. Note that

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Monday October 13 2014 14:34:15 Chris Jones wrote: Any scripts that make any assumptions on what $DISPLAY looks like are flawed by designed... My argument is not based on what some standard says about what DISPLAY should or should look like, but the basic premise that extracting

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: As long as there is documentation that's not contradicted/superseded by more recent/authoritative documents and that states that the 1st element of $DISPLAY refers to the X server host, using that information in code may

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Jones
On 13/10/14 15:09, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Monday October 13 2014 14:34:15 Chris Jones wrote: Any scripts that make any assumptions on what $DISPLAY looks like are flawed by designed... My argument is not based on what some standard says about what DISPLAY should or should look like, but

when will apache be updated to 2.2.29?

2014-10-13 Thread Wes James
I did an update on my system but it is not changing from apache 2.2.27. When will macports have 2.2.29 available? Thanks, Wes ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org

Re: when will apache be updated to 2.2.29?

2014-10-13 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Wes James wrote: I did an update on my system but it is not changing from apache 2.2.27. When will macports have 2.2.29 available? I did not realize 2.2.29 was available. Now that I know, I've updated the port. Wait 30 minutes, then sudo port selfupdate, and

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Monday October 13 2014 15:27:18 Chris Jones wrote: Any scripts that make any assumptions on what $DISPLAY looks like are flawed by designed... Clearly its my opinion, as I stated it. Apologies if that was not obvious. No, sorry, you phrased your opinion as an absolute truth. I did not

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: view towards the way things are in Linux-land. Correction: Unix. X11 was around (long) before Linux, and no matter how you turn it, OS X *is* a Unix OS. So unix/hostname:display was somehow not Unix? You're just digging

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Monday October 13 2014 11:27:26 Brandon Allbery wrote: So unix/hostname:display was somehow not Unix? You're just digging the hole deeper. Stop, think, consider --- or go back to Linux, since your purity is being corrupted by defective other operating systems that refuse to do things the

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, please take your conversation off-list. We don't want to be on Lennart's next list of hostile open source projects. -- Clemens Lang (I admit, I couldn't resist that one. But please, go arguing elsewhere.) ___ macports-users mailing list

Re: Problem with $DISPLAY

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Crawford
X11 goes back to way before Mac OS X, as well as long before Linux. I first built X11 on SunOS (not Solaris) in 1989, on a workstation that was running Sunview. I still own a copy of Mac X (or some such) that ran on System 7. I've never read the X11 spec but my understanding is that it only

no destroot

2014-10-13 Thread Robert Broome
I am trying to perform a routine update outdated on my Mac 10.6.8 installation. I have done this many times in the past. This time: Error: org.macports.install for port coreutils returned: no destroot found at:

Re: no destroot

2014-10-13 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Robert Broome wrote: :error:install org.macports.install for port coreutils returned: no destroot found at: /opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_sysutils_coreutils/coreutils/work/destroot :debug:install