Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-14 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Oct 14, 2015, at 13:42 , Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2015, Justin C. Walker wrote: > >>> Unix[tm] has been doing that for years (ISTR that it was even in >>> Edition 5); has Apple only just caught up? >> >> The disk/paging/FS code is far beyond what Edition 5 (or System 5) was >>

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-14 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > Unix[tm] has been doing that for years (ISTR that it was even in > > Edition 5); has Apple only just caught up? > > The disk/paging/FS code is far beyond what Edition 5 (or System 5) was > doing. For sure, they did try to stream back then, but t

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Michael David Crawford < mdcrawf...@gmail.com> wrote: > In principle a highly fragmented disk has less payload capacity, and > will be slower to access because of all the indirect blocks. > If the file is that large, it'll have indirect blocks anyway. I don't kno

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread Michael David Crawford
In principle a highly fragmented disk has less payload capacity, and will be slower to access because of all the indirect blocks. I don't know whether that makes a real-world difference. Michael David Crawford P.E., Consulting Process Architect mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://mike.soggywizard.com/

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread James Linder
> On 12 Oct 2015, at 3:00 am, macports-users-requ...@lists.macosforge.org wrote: > >> random access time for a SSD is 1-3 orders of magnitude less than for a >> rotational drive. >> >> As with anything, you need to measure ?real world use? to be certain, but >> it?s probably not an issue for S

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Oct 11, 2015, at 06:59 , Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Justin C. Walker wrote: > >> Also, OS X in recent incarnations does a pretty good job of detecting >> when you are streaming a file and doing a lot of prefetching. > > Unix[tm] has been doing that for years (ISTR that it w

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Justin C. Walker wrote: > Also, OS X in recent incarnations does a pretty good job of detecting > when you are streaming a file and doing a lot of prefetching. Unix[tm] has been doing that for years (ISTR that it was even in Edition 5); has Apple only just caught up? -- D

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-11 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, René J.V. Bertin wrote: > I'm not expecting it to be in real world usage, of course. OTOH, > frequent defragmenting is probably not a good idea on SSDs. The only correct way to use an SSD is as part of a RAID; when (not if) one fails, you pull the thing, replace it, and reb

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread James Linder
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 3:00 am, macports-users-requ...@lists.macosforge.org wrote: > > Anyone on here who is knowledgeable about disk (free space) fragmentation > (not just opinionated ;)) ? > > HFS+ is supposed to contain algorithms that limit file fragmentation, but > without a background proc

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:06 , René J.V. Bertin wrote: > On Saturday October 10 2015 14:45:43 Daniel J. Luke wrote: > >> random access time for a SSD is 1-3 orders of magnitude less than for a >> rotational drive. >> >> As with anything, you need to measure ‘real world use’ to be certain, but >>

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread Chris Jones
Hi > On 10 Oct 2015, at 7:45 p.m., Daniel J. Luke wrote: > >> On Oct 10, 2015, at 7:28 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: >> HFS+ is supposed to contain algorithms that limit file fragmentation, but >> without a background process that moves files (or file blocks), it cannot >> prevent free space fr

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: > On Oct 10, 2015, at 7:28 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: > > HFS+ is supposed to contain algorithms that limit file fragmentation, > but without a background process that moves files (or file blocks), it > cannot prevent free space fragmentati

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Saturday October 10 2015 14:45:43 Daniel J. Luke wrote: > random access time for a SSD is 1-3 orders of magnitude less than for a > rotational drive. > > As with anything, you need to measure ‘real world use’ to be certain, but > it’s probably not an issue for SSDs at all. I'm not expecting

Re: about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Oct 10, 2015, at 7:28 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: > HFS+ is supposed to contain algorithms that limit file fragmentation, but > without a background process that moves files (or file blocks), it cannot > prevent free space fragmentation, just limit it. On a spinning disks that can > become a

about fragmentation (of free disk space)

2015-10-10 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Hey Anyone on here who is knowledgeable about disk (free space) fragmentation (not just opinionated ;)) ? HFS+ is supposed to contain algorithms that limit file fragmentation, but without a background process that moves files (or file blocks), it cannot prevent free space fragmentation, just l