Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Michael David Crawford]

The PowerPC/Tiger backport of FireFox that I installed on Mom's G4 is
called "TenFourFox".  I think there's also a "TenThreeFox".

There are quite a few Classic programs that are actively maintained.

>From time to time I get email from a user of Working Software's
products, none of which ever ran on OS X, to ask me if I could
re-release them.  I expect I could earn quite a good income doing
nothing other than selling QuickLetter, which was written largely in
68k assembly code and never even ported to PowerPC.

(It was built on the same CoreEdit as MacWrite was.)
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Ryan Schmidt  wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>>>
 There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
 development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
 to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.

 What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
 build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
 withdrawn.
>>>
>>> Not sure if you were talking about MacPorts or other projects, but MacPorts 
>>> has never offered PowerPC binaries. We started offering binaries with OS X 
>>> 10.6, for x86_64 only.
>>
>> Not MacPorts specifically but that has been my experience with
>> numerous software packages.
>
> In many cases, the software is no longer compatible with the older versions 
> of OS X required for PowerPC machines, so they couldn't provide a binary if 
> they wanted to because it won't compile anymore. Though there probably are 
> other projects that would still work on PowerPC but binaries aren't provided 
> because few people use PowerPC machines anymore. In any case, it's a matter 
> you would have to take up with the particular project in question.
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ulrich Wienands]

There are three rather critical pieces of software still being kept alive for 
PPC:

Tenfourfox: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ 
  (Firefox)

Tenfourbird: http://tenfourbird.osdn.jp/  
(Thunderbird)

LibreOffice: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/manulix/other/libreoffice/ 
 (LibreOffice 5.1 alpha, 
needs OS X10.5 Leo)

Fortunately a number of Macports packages are (still) working on PPC, notably 
the cli stuff tende to last longer (gcc 4.6 being essential for me). And there 
is still a reasonably current version of Emacs. 

The point being that PPC Macs are still useful machines that should not be 
condemned to the landfill…

Uli

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Michael David Crawford  
> wrote:
> 
> The PowerPC/Tiger backport of FireFox that I installed on Mom's G4 is
> called "TenFourFox".  I think there's also a "TenThreeFox".
> 
> There are quite a few Classic programs that are actively maintained.
> 
> From time to time I get email from a user of Working Software's
> products, none of which ever ran on OS X, to ask me if I could
> re-release them.  I expect I could earn quite a good income doing
> nothing other than selling QuickLetter, which was written largely in
> 68k assembly code and never even ported to PowerPC.
> 
> (It was built on the same CoreEdit as MacWrite was.)
> Michael David Crawford, Baritone
> mdcrawf...@gmail.com
> 
>  One Must Not Trifle With Wizards For It Makes Us Soggy And Hard To Light.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Ryan Schmidt  wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
 
> There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
> development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
> to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.
> 
> What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
> build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
> withdrawn.
 
 Not sure if you were talking about MacPorts or other projects, but 
 MacPorts has never offered PowerPC binaries. We started offering binaries 
 with OS X 10.6, for x86_64 only.
>>> 
>>> Not MacPorts specifically but that has been my experience with
>>> numerous software packages.
>> 
>> In many cases, the software is no longer compatible with the older versions 
>> of OS X required for PowerPC machines, so they couldn't provide a binary if 
>> they wanted to because it won't compile anymore. Though there probably are 
>> other projects that would still work on PowerPC but binaries aren't provided 
>> because few people use PowerPC machines anymore. In any case, it's a matter 
>> you would have to take up with the particular project in question.
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Michael David Crawford]

There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.

What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
withdrawn.

It's one thing to stop supporting a product, quite another to actively
prevent its use.
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Eneko Gotzon  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ulrich Wienands  wrote:
>>
>> there is at least one person in the universe very interested in PPC
>> software… myself
>
>
> You are not alone…
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ulrich Wienands]

Thanks for pointing that out. However, I happen to like OS X; which is why I 
use Macs in the first place. The hardware at least used to be superior as well 
although that may have changed, but I am by now so thoroughly used to Mac OS 
that I am relatively unwilling to switch…

Anyway; I’ll stop here before I get kicked off the list for being OT… :-)

Uli

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Ludwig  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Ulrich Wienands wrote:
> 
>> The point being that PPC Macs are still useful machines that should not be
>> condemned to the landfill…
> 
> FWIW, OpenBSD and NetBSD maintain official current releases for PPC.  FreeBSD
> maintains it as a “Tier 2" architecture, meaning it’s not fully vetted by 
> their
> security team. Many Linux distros have likewise downgraded PPC to
> “community-supported,” i.e. unofficial releases, but Debian for one still has
> an official release.
> 
> (OT for this list, sorry, just wanted to point out that one’s choices for a 
> PPC
> Mac are not limited to an insecure old version of OSX or landf^Wrecycling.)
> 
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:

> There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
> development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
> to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.
> 
> What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
> build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
> withdrawn.

Not sure if you were talking about MacPorts or other projects, but MacPorts has 
never offered PowerPC binaries. We started offering binaries with OS X 10.6, 
for x86_64 only.


> It's one thing to stop supporting a product, quite another to actively
> prevent its use.


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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ludwig]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Ulrich Wienands wrote:

> The point being that PPC Macs are still useful machines that should not be
> condemned to the landfill…

FWIW, OpenBSD and NetBSD maintain official current releases for PPC.  FreeBSD
maintains it as a “Tier 2" architecture, meaning it’s not fully vetted by their
security team. Many Linux distros have likewise downgraded PPC to
“community-supported,” i.e. unofficial releases, but Debian for one still has
an official release.

(OT for this list, sorry, just wanted to point out that one’s choices for a PPC
Mac are not limited to an insecure old version of OSX or landf^Wrecycling.)


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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>> 
>>> There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
>>> development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
>>> to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.
>>> 
>>> What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
>>> build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
>>> withdrawn.
>> 
>> Not sure if you were talking about MacPorts or other projects, but MacPorts 
>> has never offered PowerPC binaries. We started offering binaries with OS X 
>> 10.6, for x86_64 only.
> 
> Not MacPorts specifically but that has been my experience with
> numerous software packages.

In many cases, the software is no longer compatible with the older versions of 
OS X required for PowerPC machines, so they couldn't provide a binary if they 
wanted to because it won't compile anymore. Though there probably are other 
projects that would still work on PowerPC but binaries aren't provided because 
few people use PowerPC machines anymore. In any case, it's a matter you would 
have to take up with the particular project in question.
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Michael David Crawford]

Not MacPorts specifically but that has been my experience with
numerous software packages.
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Ryan Schmidt  wrote:
>
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>
>> There have been plenty of times that the only Mac available to me for
>> development has been my mother's Tiger G4 iMac.  I was at least able
>> to install a PowerPC backport of Firefox.
>>
>> What was most upsetting to me when I used it was that I often had to
>> build my own tools from source, because the powerpc binaries had been
>> withdrawn.
>
> Not sure if you were talking about MacPorts or other projects, but MacPorts 
> has never offered PowerPC binaries. We started offering binaries with OS X 
> 10.6, for x86_64 only.
>
>
>> It's one thing to stop supporting a product, quite another to actively
>> prevent its use.
>
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Ulrich Wienands]

Just to let it be known that there is at least one person in the universe very 
interested in PPC software… myself. I suspect I am not alone.
Unfortunately I cannot volunteer my G5 dualie as I actually use that machine 
daily… I assume as buildbot it would have to live in some location you chose.

Anyway, main aim of this email is to let people know that PPC is not dead yet. 
Macports is one of our go-to places for reasonably current software. Any 
support that can be extended to PPC is much appreciated.

My $0.02

Uli

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Mojca Miklavec  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Artur Szostak wrote:
>> 
>>> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
>>> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?
>> 
>> No. We want verified binaries built in a clean-room by known servers, not 
>> binaries built in unknown conditions by arbitrary contributors.
> 
> But from what I understand one should be able to *manually* add a
> buildbot's IP or URL to fetch the binaries? I totally agree that
> MacPorts should not support adding arbitrary buildbots automatically,
> but it should be possible to add your own, right?
> 
> Me and Aljaž were discussing the idea of:
> - bringing a recent decent mac to the MacPorts meeting (in March 2016)
> - bringing a PowerMac G5
> - trying to set up a local mirror (for distfiles etc.) and a local
> buildbot/buildslave on both
> - preparing a short workshop/tutorial about setting up your own
> buildbot/buildslave (with someone preparing slides with clear
> instructions and giving enough time for a hands-on exercise)
> 
> The output/benefit of this workshop would be the following:
> - having a 10.5 buildslave (ideally also including libc++ support) at
> hand to get feedback about potential problems with software (and
> hopefully having an unofficial 10.11 buildslave to play with)
> - get more developers familiar with the process
> - so that potentially some university/company could easily set up
> their own buildbots according to their local needs, or maybe just to
> build some additional software that is not part of the official
> distribution
> - so that a group of "hackers" with mutual trust could use their own buildbots
> - so that a group of developers could decide to easily test some
> nontrivial changes in private trees with portfiles (like a switch from
> multiple versions of Perl to a single version; or a move of Qt from
> one location to another)
> - so that some eager user could monitor building problems of the
> latest commits in case the official buildbots experience problems
> 
> My question is: is there any volunteer on this list (independent on
> whether he or she will be able to physically attend the meeting) to
> prepare the workshop [materials] and test the procedures?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Michael David Crawford]

There is a simple service that anyone could set up, that I intended to
do myself but presently am unable to:

Use a script to randomly select anywhere from 10 to 100 packages, then
do "sudo port install" for all of them, all at once.

Quite likely that install will fail due to some problem with
dependencies that cannot be automatically resolved.

If all you did was track the successes, the failures as well as what
you attempted to install, it would help others to fix those
dependencies.

For extra credit, figure out the minimum set of packages you must
attempt to install, that results in failure.
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Mojca Miklavec  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Artur Szostak wrote:
>>
>>> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
>>> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?
>>
>> No. We want verified binaries built in a clean-room by known servers, not 
>> binaries built in unknown conditions by arbitrary contributors.
>
> But from what I understand one should be able to *manually* add a
> buildbot's IP or URL to fetch the binaries? I totally agree that
> MacPorts should not support adding arbitrary buildbots automatically,
> but it should be possible to add your own, right?
>
> Me and Aljaž were discussing the idea of:
> - bringing a recent decent mac to the MacPorts meeting (in March 2016)
> - bringing a PowerMac G5
> - trying to set up a local mirror (for distfiles etc.) and a local
> buildbot/buildslave on both
> - preparing a short workshop/tutorial about setting up your own
> buildbot/buildslave (with someone preparing slides with clear
> instructions and giving enough time for a hands-on exercise)
>
> The output/benefit of this workshop would be the following:
> - having a 10.5 buildslave (ideally also including libc++ support) at
> hand to get feedback about potential problems with software (and
> hopefully having an unofficial 10.11 buildslave to play with)
> - get more developers familiar with the process
> - so that potentially some university/company could easily set up
> their own buildbots according to their local needs, or maybe just to
> build some additional software that is not part of the official
> distribution
> - so that a group of "hackers" with mutual trust could use their own buildbots
> - so that a group of developers could decide to easily test some
> nontrivial changes in private trees with portfiles (like a switch from
> multiple versions of Perl to a single version; or a move of Qt from
> one location to another)
> - so that some eager user could monitor building problems of the
> latest commits in case the official buildbots experience problems
>
> My question is: is there any volunteer on this list (independent on
> whether he or she will be able to physically attend the meeting) to
> prepare the workshop [materials] and test the procedures?
>
> Thank you,
> Mojca
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Volunteer for a workshop on "setting up your own buildbot/buildslave"? (Was: Experiences with El Capitan)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Artur Szostak wrote:
>
>> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
>> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?
>
> No. We want verified binaries built in a clean-room by known servers, not 
> binaries built in unknown conditions by arbitrary contributors.

But from what I understand one should be able to *manually* add a
buildbot's IP or URL to fetch the binaries? I totally agree that
MacPorts should not support adding arbitrary buildbots automatically,
but it should be possible to add your own, right?

Me and Aljaž were discussing the idea of:
- bringing a recent decent mac to the MacPorts meeting (in March 2016)
- bringing a PowerMac G5
- trying to set up a local mirror (for distfiles etc.) and a local
buildbot/buildslave on both
- preparing a short workshop/tutorial about setting up your own
buildbot/buildslave (with someone preparing slides with clear
instructions and giving enough time for a hands-on exercise)

The output/benefit of this workshop would be the following:
- having a 10.5 buildslave (ideally also including libc++ support) at
hand to get feedback about potential problems with software (and
hopefully having an unofficial 10.11 buildslave to play with)
- get more developers familiar with the process
- so that potentially some university/company could easily set up
their own buildbots according to their local needs, or maybe just to
build some additional software that is not part of the official
distribution
- so that a group of "hackers" with mutual trust could use their own buildbots
- so that a group of developers could decide to easily test some
nontrivial changes in private trees with portfiles (like a switch from
multiple versions of Perl to a single version; or a move of Qt from
one location to another)
- so that some eager user could monitor building problems of the
latest commits in case the official buildbots experience problems

My question is: is there any volunteer on this list (independent on
whether he or she will be able to physically attend the meeting) to
prepare the workshop [materials] and test the procedures?

Thank you,
Mojca
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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Artur Szostak wrote:

> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?

No. We want verified binaries built in a clean-room by known servers, not 
binaries built in unknown conditions by arbitrary contributors.


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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Arno Hautala]

I've been using this [1] procedure for quite a while.

It could easily be adapted for widespread use by hosting the binaries
and signatures somewhere publicly.

And I'm not sure of the specifics, but I know there are build scripts
in the repo somewhere for building all ports. A previous message [2]
indicates they're here [3], But it looks like trac is still having
issues.

The real issue is trust. You have to trust the builder not to insert
malware and the hoster to have secured the server against file
manipulation. So I can see this easily being adapted for small groups,
but I'd personally suffer through building everything myself over
trusting an anonymous 3rd party.

Apple has been very generous in their hosting and support previously,
but I'd still love to see build slaves and hosting that wasn't reliant
on them to manage. MacPorts can't possibly be a priority for their
interests.

[1]: https://trac.macports.org/wiki/howto/ShareArchives2
[2]: https://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2015-August/031253.html
[3]: https://trac.macports.org/browser/contrib/buildbot


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Artur Szostak <aszos...@partner.eso.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Artur
>
> 
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> [macports-users-boun...@lists.macosforge.org] on behalf of Daniel J. Luke 
> [dl...@geeklair.net]
> Sent: 06 November 2015 16:08
> To: Rainer Müller
> Cc: macports-users
> Subject: Re: Experiences with El Capitan
>
> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller <rai...@macports.org> wrote:
>> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
>> our hosting provider at Apple.
>
> Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from 
> the Macports community held that position.
>
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RE: Experiences with El Capitan

[Artur Szostak]

Hi,

Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?

Kind regards.

Artur


From: macports-users-boun...@lists.macosforge.org 
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[dl...@geeklair.net]
Sent: 06 November 2015 16:08
To: Rainer Müller
Cc: macports-users
Subject: Re: Experiences with El Capitan

On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller <rai...@macports.org> wrote:
> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
> our hosting provider at Apple.

Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from the 
Macports community held that position.

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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Nathan Brazil]

I guess I am not upgrading to El Capitain just yet then.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

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> On Nov 5, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
>> Why did
>> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?
> 
> Apple hasn't yet provisioned the build environment required for El
> Capitan binaries. There's a ticket somewhere tracking this issue, but
> I haven't seen any progress on it.
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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Daniel J. Luke]

On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller  wrote:
> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
> our hosting provider at Apple. 

Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from the 
Macports community held that position.

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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[William H. Magill]

> I got tired of seeing that bloody spinning beach-ball… 

This spinning beach ball seems to be a FEATURE of El Capitan — having nothing 
to do with Mac Ports.

Everything causes it to happen.



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Experiences with El Capitan

[Dave Horsfall]

The actual update itself was more or less seamless; details can be found 
over on //horsfall.org/capitan .

Now, did Macports really feel the need to re-compile the world, over three 
days?  I got tired of seeing that bloody spinning beach-ball...  Why did 
it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?

Oh, and a hint for new players: read the migration instructions!  I'm 
using them as a check-list, and I'm still ploughing through.

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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Rainer Müller]

On 2015-11-05 21:00, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> Now, did Macports really feel the need to re-compile the world, over three 
> days?  I got tired of seeing that bloody spinning beach-ball...  Why did 
> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?

As of now, we do not have a buildbot instance for El Capitan yet.

This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
our hosting provider at Apple. This also caused the disruption in
service recently and the ongoing issues with the infrastructure.

Rainer
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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Arno Hautala]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
> Why did
> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?

Apple hasn't yet provisioned the build environment required for El
Capitan binaries. There's a ticket somewhere tracking this issue, but
I haven't seen any progress on it.

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