Codicil: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-03-16 Thread Peter West
As a codicil to the Texas power supply problems, South Australia is in the news again. https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/03/15/david-bidstrup-guest-post-the-cost-of-a-fragile-grid/ — p...@ehealth.id.au “…an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out…”

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-21 Thread Dave Horsfall
No problem here with my weekly update; I did have recompile a few things, but :-) I dips me lid to the MacPorts team for keeping something running during this stressful event. -- Dave

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 08:41, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > Ok, thanks. In the future then, I might do that if after 2-3 days, the outage > was expected to continue for perhaps that much more, so that I didn't get too > far behind; and I'd probably blow away the clone and switch back after thin

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Ok, thanks. In the future then, I might do that if after 2-3 days, the outage was expected to continue for perhaps that much more, so that I didn't get too far behind; and I'd probably blow away the clone and switch back after things were back to normal (since it wouldn't be worth the slowdown t

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 20, 2021, at 00:54, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Thank you for the information, and for your work! > > Question: if someone changed their configuration as you mentioned to get > Portfiles from GitHub, would they EVER (in principle) see a version of a > Portfile that would NEVER make it t

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Thank you for the information, and for your work! Question: if someone changed their configuration as you mentioned to get Portfiles from GitHub, would they EVER (in principle) see a version of a Portfile that would NEVER make it to the rsync server (if/when the buildmaster etc was up)? In oth

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 21:38, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > While in principle most updates that fetch source might still work, I've seen > few if any since the outage began, and I'm curious about that. Haven't seen a > fetch failure, just no updates showing up. The buildmaster is also responsibl

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
While in principle most updates that fetch source might still work, I've seen few if any since the outage began, and I'm curious about that. Haven't seen a fetch failure, just no updates showing up. > On Feb 19, 2021, at 15:26, Bill Cole > wrote: > > On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:12, Todd Doucet wrot

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Cole
On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:12, Todd Doucet wrote: Many new users, like me, might not know what the consequences of the build servers being down are, exactly. I am speculating that this does not mean that MacPorts is not available generally, but instead that if I ask for a port it might build it on

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Todd Doucet
Many new users, like me, might not know what the consequences of the build servers being down are, exactly. I am speculating that this does not mean that MacPorts is not available generally, but instead that if I ask for a port it might build it on my machine instead of pulling a pre-built bina

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Rainer Müller
Hello Ryan, On 19/02/2021 16.38, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > Build servers remain offline. Since my last update, power was out here for 32 > hours but is back on now. Power is restored in most of Austin but the Texas > electric grid operator still asks us to conserve electricity. Thank you for the up

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-19 Thread Ryan Schmidt
Build servers remain offline. Since my last update, power was out here for 32 hours but is back on now. Power is restored in most of Austin but the Texas electric grid operator still asks us to conserve electricity. https://twitter.com/ERCOT_ISO/status/1362780731001499650

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-18 Thread Michael A. Leonetti via macports-users
Best mailing list ever? Michael A. Leonetti As warm as green tea On 2/17/21 10:58 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Richard Bonomo TDS personal wrote: I work in Nuclear Fusion, as that is really the only truly long-term (centuries, millennia) way to power a technically advanced an

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-17 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Richard Bonomo TDS personal wrote: I work in Nuclear Fusion, as that is really the only truly long-term (centuries, millennia) way to power a technically advanced and populous society. Agreed. -- Dave

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-17 Thread Richard Bonomo TDS personal
t: Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather On 16 Feb 2021, at 23:25, Richard Bonomo TDS personal wrote: > Clearly, Texas needs new nuclear power plants! Or they could just winterize the ones they have. e.g. there's a nuclear plant south of Houston that is offline because its

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Feb 2021, at 23:25, Richard Bonomo TDS personal wrote: Clearly, Texas needs new nuclear power plants! Or they could just winterize the ones they have. e.g. there's a nuclear plant south of Houston that is offline because its cooling water is currently ice. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Feb 2021, at 22:01, Peter West wrote: Hi Ryan, That’s interesting about the natural gas supplies. I’m surprised that Texas does not have even two days worth of gas in storage. Maybe that had all been sold to Mexico. Considering that Russia supplies (from Siberia) significant quantitie

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread James
sible to get coal to them for > some weeks. > > Rich > > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Horsfall" mailto:d...@horsfall.org>> > To: "macports-users" <mailto:macports-users@lists.macports.org>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 10:00

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Richard Bonomo TDS personal
ruary 16, 2021 10:00:50 PM Subject: Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather [ Power cuts in Texas ] Amazing what you can learn here :-) Seriously, I really feel for you guys; I've seen the stuff on TV, and, well... -- Dave

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Dave Horsfall
[ Power cuts in Texas ] Amazing what you can learn here :-) Seriously, I really feel for you guys; I've seen the stuff on TV, and, well... -- Dave

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Peter West
Hi Ryan, That’s interesting about the natural gas supplies. I’m surprised that Texas does not have even two days worth of gas in storage. Maybe that had all been sold to Mexico. Considering that Russia supplies (from Siberia) significant quantities of natural gas to Europe, with plans for a do

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 16, 2021, at 18:38, Peter West wrote: > On 16 Feb 2021, at 11:15 pm, Todd Doucet wrote: > >>> The rest of the contiguous United States shares either the east or west >>> power grid, but most of Texas uses its own separate grid managed by ERCOT. >>> Unfortunately right now most of Texa

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Peter West
The problem is the dependency on windmills. Texas has 25Gw (nameplate only) of wind generation. 12Gw was frozen out (as of a day ago.) On Monday morning, ERCOT wholesale prices hit the cap of $9,000 per Mw-hr (average $25). This story is being played out in Europe, particularly Germany, during t

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Todd Doucet
> The rest of the contiguous United States shares either the east or west power > grid, but most of Texas uses its own separate grid managed by ERCOT. > Unfortunately right now most of Texas is very cold and everybody is using > more electricity running their heaters. At the same time, the wea

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-16 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 15, 2021, at 17:34, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > On Feb 15, 2021, at 02:42, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > >> The MacPorts build servers are located in Austin, TX which is experiencing >> its coldest temperatures since 1989, which is driving record electricity >> usage, which has prompted the local powe

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-15 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 15, 2021, at 02:42, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > The MacPorts build servers are located in Austin, TX which is experiencing > its coldest temperatures since 1989, which is driving record electricity > usage, which has prompted the local power company to warn of impending > rolling power outages

Re: Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-15 Thread Dave Horsfall
Thanks for the advice; brrr... And yes, I treat a UPS as giving you enough time to shut down the system cleanly, which is why the better ones have some sort of a signal to start the shutdown process automatically. -- Dave

Build servers going offline due to inclement weather

2021-02-15 Thread Ryan Schmidt
The MacPorts build servers are located in Austin, TX which is experiencing its coldest temperatures since 1989, which is driving record electricity usage, which has prompted the local power company to warn of impending rolling power outages. The build servers do not take well to being powered of