Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-08 Thread Eloy Durán
It is actually possible to use them, though you have to programmatically get references to the elements. I.e. you can't hook-up outlets/actions in IB. See http://ianp.org/2012/05/07/rubymotion-and-interface-builder/ On May 5, 2012, at 2:52 PM, bugpowder wrote: > Hello, new list member here, thr

[MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-05 Thread bugpowder
Hello, new list member here, through I follow through the web for a long time. Just a quick question regarding RubyMotion: In all reviews/mentions I've read, they say that you need to build your UI programmatically. I understand that there is no XCode IDE integration, but is there something spec

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-04 Thread Robert Schaaf
Oops! I totally overlooked the link to the technical stuff. But my question about the possible speed gains remains. Also, I don't understand the example in the section on memory management: @date = date1 Intuitively, it would seem that the value bound to any identifier would persist until th

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-04 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Thu, 03 May 2012 22:54:20 -0400 Richard Kilmer wrote: > This argument can truly be made about any commercial tool you use > to build with or build upon. Not even remotely true. When I write code in C or Objective C, most of that code can just be used with any one of several entirely open sourc

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-04 Thread Robert Schaaf
Hello Laurent, This is great news, and kudos to you. With all this back and forth about open source vs. proprietary, what's forgotten is the simple fact that it's the developers that determine the success of a development system. On the strength of your announcement, I've renewed my iOS progr

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-04 Thread Jean-Denis MUYS
One solution would be some provision with an escrow, with the commitment that should Laurent's company go out of business (for business reasons or bus-hit reasons), then the full source code would reverse to be open-source under such and such license. But clearly, adopting RubyMotion for a prof

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Richard Kilmer
This argument can truly be made about any commercial tool you use to build with or build upon. Any company of any size can discontinue a product or service at any time. You have to realize that. The RubyMotion you use today you can continue to use whether you pay for ongoing support or not.

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Thu, 03 May 2012 16:29:52 -0600 Colin Thomas-Arnold wrote: > What happens to your skills, though, now that they have been finely > honed for a particular *flavor* of MacRuby (iOS development). > > BUT, my thinking is this: the more people use it, the more > successful it will be. The more suc

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread az...@gmx.net
Personally I think it's the next best thing that could happen aside from Apple releasing it as a 'serious' platform with their full weight behind it. MacRuby was great, but Apple didn't really care about it, Laurent did - as much as he could while not getting paid for it - but Apple didn't, leas

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Ian Ragsdale
That is a completely different situation - there are many compatible C compilers out there currently, and only one compiler that lets you run a RubyMotion project on iOS. Having a bunch of iOS code in "fairly standard MacRuby" is fairly useless if the only existing implementation that runs on i

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Colin Thomas-Arnold
What happens to your skills, though, now that they have been finely honed for a particular *flavor* of MacRuby (iOS development). BUT, my thinking is this: the more people use it, the more successful it will be. The more successful it is, the less likely that Laurent will drop support for it! :

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread John Labovitz
I don't really understand the issue being raised here by many people -- namely, "what would happen to my RubyMotion projects if Laurent decides to move on." If I invest time & energy into writing an app using RubyMotion, I'll still own all my code. Further, that code will (apparently) be written

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Dan Farrand
I like the idea that somebody is invested in Ruby for IOS to make money. Open Source is great for projects that become very popular. Projects related to Apple like MacRuby are inherently risky since Apple will be indifferent at best to weather it does something to break MacRuby, especially as

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Matt Aimonetti
I agree with most of you, I think that Laurent deserves the financial backing for his work but I also have to admit that I'm worried about the future of MacRuby and what would happen to my RubyMotion projects if Laurent decides to move on. I don't have an issue with the commercial aspect of RubyMo

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Ian Ragsdale
Personally I'm happy to pay for it, and in fact already have. I'd just like to see some of these improvements make their way back to the open source community, and be reassured that if HipByte for some reason doesn't work out, any projects I have built in MacRuby are supported going forward. -

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Henry Maddocks
What impact does this have on the plans for MacRuby for iOS? Henry ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Francis Chong
> Can I use Ruby gems? > Because RubyMotion implements a dialect of Ruby that is statically compiled, > regular Ruby gems will not work in RubyMotion. We provide documentation which > describes how to architect gems to work with RubyMotion. Would love to see those documents online! On 2012年5月4日

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Thu, 03 May 2012 15:04:46 -0400 "Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > > I'm not trying to suggest in any way that you guys would do that, > > but it does make me a little nervous suggesting using this to any > > of my clients. > > I have to agree. I have no fundamental problem with paying for > stuff, b

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Jeremy McAnally
The catch in situations like this is that it may have never been written in the first place if Laurent wasn't able to take the time and dedicate the energy full time to build it. Personally, I'd rather fund continued development of it with a license than never to have had it in the first place. -

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:15:52 -0500 Ian Ragsdale wrote: > That said, I'm wondering if/when any of this will become open > source? It's been a long time since I trusted proprietary code > more than open source stuff. Open source projects can aways be > forked or maintained by someone else, but if

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Ian Ragsdale
This does look awesome, and I just bought a license - the price is less than the prevailing rate for an hour of iOS dev time, and you deserve to be paid for your hard work. That said, I'm wondering if/when any of this will become open source? It's been a long time since I trusted proprietary c

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Douglas Tykocki
Awesome job. Congrats on shipping! On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM, az...@gmx.net wrote: > This is awesome news - congrats Laurent!! > > Aston > > On 3 May 2012, at 18:02, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > I am extremely excited to announce the immediate availability of > > RubyMot

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread az...@gmx.net
This is awesome news - congrats Laurent!! Aston On 3 May 2012, at 18:02, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am extremely excited to announce the immediate availability of > RubyMotion, a revolutionary toolchain for iOS development in Ruby. > > (RubyMotion is what I have been working on

Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS

2012-05-03 Thread Francis Chong
This is awesome! I'm in. On 2012年5月4日Friday at 上午1:02, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am extremely excited to announce the immediate availability of > RubyMotion, a revolutionary toolchain for iOS development in Ruby. > > (RubyMotion is what I have been working on these last 6