Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Eloy Duran
So, since I do wholeheartedly agree with you that we don't want users to bump into any walls, I'm gonna apply your patch right now, and we will discuss further on the test case helpers as we go :) Where "now" is right after I get some food ;) Eloy

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Eloy Duran
I'm trying not to jump to conclusions, just feeling out the space and trying to open up the discussion a bit. Not having as clear of a perspective as you guys, obviously, I'm just stating a few rogue opinions and trying to come up to speed, letting you know my current thoughts. I'm not marr

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Eloy Duran
EPIC STORY ALERT: First, I completely agree on reducing duplicated effort, but I have a few questions. Sure thing, that's what we're here for :) Let me know if you want to move this discussion off list or feel free to just answer these off list. For details, I think it's best to discuss

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
As for the Xcode templates, I think Eloy has great points, most of which I'm too in the dark to really grok yet. I'm wondering first if we can come up with a stop gap solution (or if it is wise to do so) to easy the transition for some users now and then the rest of my questions basically revolve a

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
I'm trying not to jump to conclusions, just feeling out the space and trying to open up the discussion a bit. Not having as clear of a perspective as you guys, obviously, I'm just stating a few rogue opinions and trying to come up to speed, letting you know my current thoughts. I'm not married to m

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Hey Dylan, Quick side note, let's not jump to conclusions here, nothing was decided yet and we are just discussing options. I think you have a valid point and it needs to be discussed, having the feedback from someone coming from your side of your fence is very useful and please don't stop arguing

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
First, I completely agree on reducing duplicated effort, but I have a few questions. Let me know if you want to move this discussion off list or feel free to just answer these off list. First, being new to the Ruby on Mac eco-system: What is the timeline for merging rucola into HotCocoa vs extend

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Eloy Duran
Hey Matt, hmm for once I don't fully agree with Eloy :) I'm sure we've disagreed before ;-) But, on the long run this should all move to Rucola to provide one piece that pulls it all together. It's a small details but I think we do need a solid testing framework in XCode too. Not everyo

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Matt Aimonetti
hmm for once I don't fully agree with Eloy :) But, on the long run this should all move to Rucola to provide one piece > that pulls it all together. > It's a small details but I think we do need a solid testing framework in XCode too. Not everyone will use Rucola and therefore offering a great te

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Eloy Duran
Hi Dylan, So, I've been mucking about with MacRuby lately. It's been fun so far. Thanks to all the devs for this great project. Welcome! I'm a pretty firm believer in unit testing my Ruby code. I love how Ruby on Rails and similar frameworks nudge you in the right direction by baking in

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread Dylan
In the Xcode project select 'Unit Tests' from as the active target from tge tool bar. Then build :) -Dylan On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:25 AM, John-Paul Bader wrote: Hey, how exactly can I run these tests? rake test would be great. kind regards, John On 02.10.2009, at 08:35, Dylan Bruzenak

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-02 Thread John-Paul Bader
Hey, how exactly can I run these tests? rake test would be great. kind regards, John On 02.10.2009, at 08:35, Dylan Bruzenak wrote: How very self-referential; I love it :) I'll have a look. Maybe wait until my fever goes away before I take a stab at prose though. - Dylan On Fri, Oct

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
How very self-referential; I love it :) I'll have a look. Maybe wait until my fever goes away before I take a stab at prose though. - Dylan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Hi Dylan, > > Ideally it would be awesome to have some documentation on the website > (likely a

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Laurent Sansonetti
Hi Dylan, Ideally it would be awesome to have some documentation on the website (likely a tutorial): http://www.macruby.org/documentation.html The process of creating a website article is not trivial but Mike Sassak recently contributed a tutorial describing how to contribute to the webs

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
Just opened https://www.macruby.org/trac/ticket/362 :) As for the testing obj-c classes part, what is the best way to document that ? I'm not the best blogger in the world but I could write something up on my personal blog or contribute a short how to somewhere in the documentation or your website

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Laurent Sansonetti
Hi Dylan, Could you open a trac ticket and attach your new template there? It would be a better idea I guess, and we can also track its inclusion to trunk from there. Thanks for the work, it looks great :) Laurent On Oct 1, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Dylan Bruzenak wrote: Message is being held pe

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
Message is being held pending moderator approval; let me know if I should post the actual file somewhere else :) - Dylan On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Dylan Bruzenak wrote: > Good idea. I've attached it here. I may have accidentally added the build > directory as well; this should be deleted

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Hi Dylan, Why don't you you post your template so people can look at it and give their feedback? People like Eloy would probably give their feedback ;) - Matt On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Dylan Bruzenak wrote: > So, I've been mucking about with MacRuby lately. It's been fun so far. > Than

[MacRuby-devel] Xcode Project Template with Testing Baked In

2009-10-01 Thread Dylan Bruzenak
So, I've been mucking about with MacRuby lately. It's been fun so far. Thanks to all the devs for this great project. I'm a pretty firm believer in unit testing my Ruby code. I love how Ruby on Rails and similar frameworks nudge you in the right direction by baking in an existing testing infrastruc