Re: Narrowing down my new iPhone choices

2022-03-15 Thread Phil Halton
Sorry about my rant. I lost my mother because of social distancing (long story), and I guess it kind of triggered me. Forgive the outburst. Sent from my IPhone > On Mar 15, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote: > > Hi! > Yes, I agree. > Even though I am not that antisocial person. > But

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Using VO navigation you should be able to easily find it. I checked in Big Sur on a 2013 MacBook Air and in Monterey on a 2015 MacBook Air and was able to quickly find the button with VO-right. • open System Prefs. • type user then press VO-space. • VO-FN-right then a few VO-lefts to find

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi Tim! That was a bit hard to find but I did find it with the tab key. /A > 15 mars 2022 kl. 17:11 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > : > > Hi, > > Actually, In Monterey, go to Users & Groups, then unlock the pane, then > select Login Options from the Users, Groups & Login Options

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I have the same issue on my old MacBook Air Intel version. There are no such setting either on my Monterey. Its just not there. /A > 15 mars 2022 kl. 11:57 skrev 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries > : > > I wonder if that is a bug? I’ve had several experts walk me through this and > all

Re: Narrowing down my new iPhone choices

2022-03-15 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Yes, I agree. Even though I am not that antisocial person. But go for the 13 if you want. More battery and better sound. Go for the mini if you want a smaller device. /A > 15 mars 2022 kl. 03:02 skrev Phil Halton : > > Lainer sounds interesting but I don’t do social distancing. People don’t

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Good work Dave. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Mar 15, 2022, at 11:14, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Thanks, Tim! It worked just as advertised. And now you know that

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Dave Carlson
Thanks, Tim! It worked just as advertised. And now you know that I’ve finally installed Monterey. Dave Carlson Farfar, Pioneer, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns

RE: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Fazil M.
Thanks much, Tim. I followed these instructions and it worked a couple of times but then no more. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:12 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen Hi, Actually, In

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Well, that’s an issue. They are sticking for me in Monterey 12.3 on an M1 MacBook Pro. I have had them go away after an update, but they are sticking within a MacOS cycle for me. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift

Re: activities in vo utility

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, You should only need to interact when there is a table, a scroll area or some other element that requires you to gain more detail. If you use VO-navigation, that is, VO-right/left, you should never miss any elements within the VO Utility. To verify what you’ve set your specific activity

Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, In Navigation. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Mar 14, 2022, at 19:01, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > where do I find the place to set the behavior of vo and mouse

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries
They don’t stick. This is happening on some machines. I have had at least four instructors go through these steps and I have done this myself several times. I think there may be an issue with this feature at this time. Merv > On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:11 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Actually, In Monterey, go to Users & Groups, then unlock the pane, then select Login Options from the Users, Groups & Login Options list. There will be a button there called Accessibility Options. This will open a screen with a table of accessibility options. Make sure that VoiceOver is

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries
I usually single tap twice. But I really don’t think it matters at this point. I’ve double tapped and it still works. It is a very strange issue. I do not use file fault. I do have MonteRay. Merv > On Mar 15, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Fazil M. wrote: > > Do you tap once or double tap? > Thanks! > >

RE: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Fazil M.
Do you tap once or double tap? Thanks! -Original Message- From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:53 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen Yes once the MacBook Pro boots I tap the trackpad

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Herbie Allen
I used to have issues with Big Sur but not with Monterey. Using a Macbook Pro 2019. It has the t2 chip which could b a factor but I also use File Vault. > On Mar 15, 2022, at 06:53, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Yes once the MacBook Pro boots I tap the trackpad and the

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries
Yes once the MacBook Pro boots I tap the trackpad and the Mac says VoiceOver and I can then enter my password. Then I hit enter and the Mac logs in. Merv > On Mar 15, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Fazil M. wrote: > > I am having the same problem that you have with my MacBookPro2017. > Do you do

RE: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Fazil M.
I am having the same problem that you have with my MacBookPro2017. Do you do double-tap with one finger when Voiceover kicks in? Thanks! -Original Message- From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:11 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re:

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries
Probably. I am calling the thing in front of the spacebar on my MacBook Pro the track pad because of the trackpad commanders. Not to be confused with the touchbar above the number keys that everyone but me despises. Merv > On Mar 15, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Fazil M. wrote: > > Is track pad and

RE: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Fazil M.
Is track pad and touch pad the same thing? Thanks! -Original Message- From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:58 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen I wonder if that is a bug? I’ve had

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries
I wonder if that is a bug? I’ve had several experts walk me through this and all settings are correct. Still my VO will not work on startup on my M1 MacBook Pro. However, if I tap the track pad VoiceOver will kick in and I can enter my password. Merv > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 AM, 'Harry

Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries
It is in system preferences, users, login options. I have not got this to work on my M1 MacBook Pro nor on previous Mac mini Harry > On 15 Mar 2022, at 06:14, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the logon > prompt. > Where do I go to

Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

2022-03-15 Thread Dave Carlson
Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the logon prompt. Where do I go to make this work? Dave Carlson Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any