Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-03-02 Thread Sean Murphy
I am in the same camp as Scott. I am not sure if the Braille input will work effectively. The design of the screen will have to be universally flexible for all hand sizes. On top of that you will not get the physical feedback that you get on other Braille Input devices. I am always willing to

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-03-02 Thread Holly Anderson
My other concern with this would be that not all places where you use a keyboard are capable of being used in landscape orientation. I don't know if apple would implement a keyboard that could only be used in landscape. On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: I am

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Scott Howell
Becky, You say we and perhaps that should be I because I for one do not find the keyboard difficult to type on. THe letters really do not change position and nor would the keys for entering Braille. Regardless if you have have a Braille keyboard or not there will be a learning curve in

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Scott Howell
Alex, I think there is one of the key problems. If someone has developed the app, are they really going to be willing to give the nod to APple for implementing their app into the OS? Yes it is free, but there surely are issues of intelectual rights and such. I suspect APple would have to buy

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Alex Hall
The developers are not just making the app free, but the source code as well. In addition, they have said that they do not want money for licensing rights or anything, so apple could do this with no money and no problem. On 2/27/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, I think there

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Aser Tolentino
I for one can't type at 32 words per minute at any sort of accuracy on the iPhone or iPad (without a bluetooth keyboard :)) so I'm eager to see this thing in action. The developers' practical testing has been admittedly limited, but even a fraction of that potential improvement could save

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Chris Blouch
Wanted answer the assertion of Android being more flexible. While anyone could add a different keyboard to Android, I'm not clear how that would get universally baked in so that anyone pickup an Android phone would get this option. It's the same problem that if you want it baked into Android

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread James Mannion
Although there is no harm in wanting something to be completely optional and available for someone to use, I am definitely not sold on it until it is out and proven that it really is at all something I like using. I don't think it makes a lot of sense either to be making a push for something to be

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Would this app be able to write in grade 2 braille? I am a braille user as stating in another message, I use a braille display. Kawal. On 27 Feb 2012, at 17:23, James Mannion wrote: Although there is no harm in wanting something to be completely optional and available for someone to use, I

Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Hall
Hello all, There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately. For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device. Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right or left. You

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi. Just one thing with what you propose,we don't want to say that the current screen keyboard should be taken out as users need choice and perhaps Apple can put the choice in and not limit the choice otherwise it'll become like other companies who just concentrate on blindness features of the

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Hall
Of course. I never said they should remove the other keyboard, and it should not be the default when vo is on. Rather, it needs to be one keyboard option, whether accessed through the rotor or in keyboard settings (and hence via the next keyboard button). After all, a good part of iOS' appeal is

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Scott Howell
Alex, With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is going to be a very difficult road. You are essentially asking APple to allow any developer of such the ability to have the same acces. There is already a Braille entry app out there and despite the fact it is not quite

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Hall
Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it (probably 6 as 5.1 is already

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread John Sanfilippo
Hi Alex, Thank you for taking the time to be so articulate and informative about this matter. I really appreciate your effort. Best regards, John Sanfilippo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi guys. Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is no flat screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I couldn't imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat screens these days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Mike Arrigo
Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding this functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not allow adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called. The thing is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do the

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Hall
Once more, though, I don't want apple to change anything. I want them to take this concept, now that they have seen the interest (and showing them the interest is my reason for starting this thread) and put it into iOS themselves. This requires no change to the TOS for developers, since the

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Becky Knaub
I see what you mean. There is a difference in something being accessible and being easy and quick for people to use in an equal fashion to sighted people. Yes we can type on the keyboard but it is not quick, or that easy. It takes time and can be frustrating. I hope they at least think it over.

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread erik burggraaf
You guys are all crazy. :) the code is already written, tested, and working. No one is saying you have to use it just because it's implemented. We're just saying it should be a choice for people who want it. Apple could do this by taking the code that's already been tested and implementing

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread James Mannion
I see your point about hoping to incorporate it as a keyboard option similar to a language keyboard. Braille is kind of a language. I agree that making it an additional option and not taking anything away is an extremely important point to stress. Is the stand alone app available in the US yet? I

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Hall
It is not. There is an app called TypeInBraille, which is not the same thing as the upcoming app at all; don't confuse the two, or you may decide that input will not work. TypeInBraille uses a concept where you enter a cell one row at a time; tap the left side for dot 1, the right for dot 4, tap