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>> emails,
>>
>> I personally think people need to relax a bit more and not be so judgemental
>> about things that are really not getting annoyed about.
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On
>> Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent:
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
>
> My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m
> not some kind of evil racist.
>
Phil Halton
> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
>
> My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m
> not some kind of evil racist.
>
> Sent from my
not getting annoyed about.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m
not some kind
My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m
not some kind of evil racist.
Sent from my IPhone
> On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need
> to indicate it is a
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for chiming in. Yes, you’re totally correct for proper use in HTML, but
for Ramy’s Arabic name pronounciation, he does not have the html coded into his
name. In iOS and iPadOS, it simply pronounces the Arabic spelling with an
Arabic voice and accent. Supposedly, this is
Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need to
indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span tag
for this.
BonJour
I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it was
a plain text file). When I opened that
Just am sending this message Thanking you Pete,
> On May 5, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:
>
> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a
> little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m
> still running Mojave, and for
Thanks so much my Friend, And Frankly, i was happy of Pete Question, because it
leads him to A problem, but now, the thing is become personal to me?
THis is my Name People, THis is my Language.
Thanks
> On May 6, 2020, at 3:47 AM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>
> Sorry, can’t help you with that
Anyway, I Removed the Arabic Catactors, from my name,
> On May 5, 2020, at 9:48 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> But I want to use Alex. I just want to turn off the automatic language so
> those characters don’t get read out.
>
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto
VO+Shift+Cmd+errows will move you between them, CHoose VOices with RIght and
left arrows, then, choose automaticaly select by language, do not use alex, and
it will not read it.
> On May 5, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Pete,
> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not
Byte me!
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
Hi Petrus,
Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to
breathe. Good luck with that :).
Later
Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So
I must
Sorry, can’t help you with that as I don’t find it a bother at all. In fact I
think it was rather thoughtful of Ramy to translate his name into English for
our benefit.
> On 6/05/2020, at 11:54, Phil Halton wrote:
>
> OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English
OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and
Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to
VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no
good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use
Hi Petrus,
Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to
breathe. Good luck with that :).
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>
>
Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as
Hi,
It’s not necessarily working for me as described at the moment either. I’ll
check into things in more detail a little later. I’ve got some other
priorities going on right now.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB
I’m using the latest OS and I have tried using Alex on the suspect characters
and it’s not working at all in the way that Tim has described.
Kawal.
> On 5 May 2020, at 21:19, Pete De Vasto wrote:
>
> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a
> little
I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a
little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m
still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not
appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words,
Hi,
You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a
different language. If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc,
it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words. It will
remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
I’ll throw a
I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference. I land on that
option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> But I want to use Alex. I just want to turn off the automatic language so
>
Hi,
If enabled, it should remain using the Alex voice, or whatever voice you were
originally using but add the voice change when it comes upon a different
language.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On May 5,
Hi,
To enable, press VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear “Voice”, keep those
keys pressed, then use the up or down arrow until you hear “Automatically
Select”, then release. To disable, do the same to get to the Voice option then
choose your preferred voice.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf
But I want to use Alex. I just want to turn off the automatic language so
those characters don’t get read out.
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto wrote:
>
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion
If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up will
take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices like
Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what
happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to
So how do you turn off the automatic language? Couldn’t find it where the
language was.
> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder wrote:
>
> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or
> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to
>
This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or
Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to
Automatically Select Based on Language.
HTH
- Brad -
On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson wrote:
Pete,
Think it’s under
I have seen this many times, too me it is just another person on an mailing
list, and for all we know his Sirname can have family values, my ipad changes
too an Arab voice, so no issue for me at all.
Sent from my iPad
> On 5 May 2020, at 18.07, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Pete,
> Think it’s
Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Hi Ramy and all,
Ramy, now that I understand, it’s really not disturbing to me, especially after
what others have suggested I can do about reading them. For all, several of you
have suggested an automatically select language rotor option somewhere in VO
settings, but I can’t seem to find it
Hi Pete and all:
Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors, and i think if you use
Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or BTW if
you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read the
Arabic Caractors,
Hope it did not disturb you
Hi!
I see them but i think they have to be there.
I just ignore them.
But i use braille.
/A
> 4 maj 2020 kl. 17:04 skrev Pete De Vasto :
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I
> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m
Hi,
I just open the message as the Arabic characters are part of the Subject line.
Once you open the message, it should just read the content of the message
instead. For me, the iPhone actually says something in Arabic, but the Mac
just reads out the characters.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf
I have, but unfortunately have no information as to whether or not they can be
ignored, but agree that reading them can be cumbersome with Voiceover on the
Mac. Strangely enough though, I’ve found that when those same messages come
through on my IPHone, those aren’t displaying there, only a
Happens to me on my iPhone but not on the Mac. Likely you just need to turn off
your automatic language detection.
Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
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If you
Hello all,
I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I so
strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. Whenever I
see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it calls Arabic
characters, and it takes a bit longer to read
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