Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
to do it on the server side. Oh well though. You can't have everything. Smile. Chris. - Original Message - From: Eric Oyen eric.o...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-27 Thread Eric Oyen
, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article] yep. I use apple mail here and it has a very large selection of filters I can use. I can even filter based on any of the hidden header information (those pesky X-lines). It has allowed me to dump more spam than even

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread Scott Granados
This is what I was suggesting but several folks got their panties in a bunch and feel that filtering is unacceptable. They’d rather be spoon fed I suppose than work their own silverware. Good point though On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@icloud.com wrote: may I offer a

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Gatteys
but aren't you doing the same by responding to his response? On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote: And see instead of wasting your time and mine by writing that you could have hit the delete key, taken less than 500 milliseconds and moved on. On

RE: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread george b
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article Hi, agreed just get rid of the person that is causing the problem that is what I would have done if it was on my list. On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:57, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: Why should everybody have to create

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread E.T.
A mail filter is not workable in all situations such as the one under heavy discussion. The reasons given are clear. Your comment was not necessary. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/26/2015

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread Scott Granados
And see instead of wasting your time and mine by writing that you could have hit the delete key, taken less than 500 milliseconds and moved on. On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:30 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: A mail filter is not workable in all situations such as the one under heavy

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread E.T.
Some numbers for your edification. You have posted 12 times to my 3 today. Who is wasting whose time? (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/26/2015 11:32 AM, Scott Granados wrote: And see

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Scott Granados
That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone else. We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes all power hungry. I remember when it happened on an iteration of this list probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because

suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread Eric Oyen
may I offer a suggestion? there are mail filters that can be applied from the end user. Most mail clients can actually do this based on a number of criteria. So, if someone uses a foul tongue and makes threats, just filter their mail into the trash based on that offenders email address, or

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries
Hi, agreed just get rid of the person that is causing the problem that is what I would have done if it was on my list. On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:57, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one objectionable person when a moderator could

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Gatteys
Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one objectionable person when a moderator could handle that quickly and efficiently. On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote: Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Of course, as always, it helps to remember that if nobody replied to the abuser, we wouldn’t have these issues. But it also helps to know that a moderator can do this quickly in response to a general consensus or clear harm being done, and that, for better or worse, people will respond angrily

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Scott Granados
Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from your acceptable use over time. Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce. The only exception to that at least for me is spammers. There have been serious lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Yuma Decaux
A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point is to make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them would result in upsets

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread E.T.
There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. This issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the grpup. We have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him will break the fever and let the group move on. From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Scott Granados
Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to the trash. Simple, problem solved and no moderation. On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: ET is right, I am afraid to say this. I cannot count the number of times this person has fired

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Yuma Decaux
ET is right, I am afraid to say this. I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, insulted, then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do not belong to any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within the hour. If he is so defensive and threatening

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread Yuma Decaux
The point is, that does not work since there are others who reply to his abuses, and I receive these emails too. I’m not going to rule everyone for one offensive member. On 27/08/2015, at 1:04 AM, Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote: Just add the objectionable person to a rule

how long is this subjectline being used for any comments LOLRE: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread george b
: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 08:09 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article The point is, that does not work since there are others who reply to his abuses, and I receive these emails too. I’m not going to rule everyone for one offensive member. On 27/08/2015, at 1:04

Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

2015-08-26 Thread Eric Oyen
yep. I use apple mail here and it has a very large selection of filters I can use. I can even filter based on any of the hidden header information (those pesky X-lines). It has allowed me to dump more spam than even gmail could (and do it properly). -eric On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Scott

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-26 Thread r a gindin
and who will monitor the monitor? On 8/26/15 1:56 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Of course, as always, it helps to remember that if nobody replied to the abuser, we wouldn’t have these issues. But it also helps to know that a moderator can do this quickly in response to a general consensus

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread Scott Granados
Message - From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread Buddy Brannan
I see the following: To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. What a fantastic idea. See y'all kiddies later. Have fun in the sandbox. Or something. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread CHUCK REICHEL
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start installing stuff you shouldn't, or go to sites you shouldn't you don't get

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread Phil Halton
, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start installing stuff you shouldn't

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread Scott Granados
Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start installing stuff you shouldn't, or go to sites you shouldn't you don't get viruses. Even more shocking is that generally this applies

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread E.T.
It only takes one person to throw a list like this into utter chaos. Removing that person permanently would return the list to a relatively peaceful and more focused environment. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-25 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Yes indeed, this list has gone from, at various stages of its life, totally noisy and idiotic, to totally over-regulated, veering back toward the noisy end. I too am a great fan of the love-it-or-leave-it style of discussion, but there’s something to be said for having a person—possibly just

RE: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-24 Thread george b
: the anti cleaning article You wrote: Is it worth that risk for a whole 3 gb? God damn straight it is! Especially if you are as smart as you clame to be Tylor, and first make a backup. This way, if something goes boom, restore the backup. You should always do this anyway when doing maintanence

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-23 Thread E.T.
- Original Message - From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-23 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start installing stuff you shouldn't, or go to sites you shouldn't you don't get viruses. Even more shocking is that generally this applies to Windows as well. The thing

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
online: http://www.clgproductions.net - Original Message - From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good

Re: the anti cleaning article

2015-08-21 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some good news for you--unless you're really dumb and start installing stuff you shouldn't, or go to sites you shouldn't you don't get viruses. Even more shocking is that generally this applies to Windows as well. The thing with cleaners,