Music app in Catalina

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
Will the music App in OS X Catalina have a user adjustable EQ like in the 
current iTunes?
Also will iOS 13 have an EQ that allows for user settings other than presets 
only?



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Re: Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Dave Carlson]

Wonder if you need to look at last names? I think the list is sorted by first, 
last.

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i did the basic stuff but i can try again at some stage.

> On 14 Sep 2019, at 5:06 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So you don't use a wizard which would ask you for a lot of the information 
> relating to setting up a machine. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 10:51 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey,
> just using the instalation file.
> i create a virtual machine, hit the finish button and i get no further.
> i can luckily use windows to achieve my tasks so i’m not terribly concerned.
> Perhaps I should have installed from recovery as you can do from fusion.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 6:56 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> What type of installation media are you using to make the vm?
>> Is it just the installer file?
>> A Bootable USB installer?
>> Or an installation DVD / CD?
>> 
>> Are you using the installation wizard within Fusion or are you doing this 
>> install manually?
>> 
>> What is fusion saying to you and if possible what part of the install are  
>> you up to?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 4:56 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> i don’t know how i’m going to install if i can’t get VO talking to do all 
>> the prompts.
>> it’s just stupid.
>> 
>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 1:56 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok there is one of your issues,
>>> 
>>> If you don't have the OS installed to the vm environment  then you probably 
>>> aren't being giving the option to get into the vm window.
>>> 
>>> Voiceover with vm fusion will speak the  suggestion of which keys to use to 
>>> get into the vm window when your actual vm starts up.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 9:43 AM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> I am still trying to actually install the virtual mac OS.
>>> i did this a long time back but just can’t remember.
>>> I would be assuming single window but I have no idea.
>>> i will try fullscreen as well.
>>> 
 On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
 
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 true?
 
 On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> hey,
> the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
> program needs to run a lot for seeding.
> This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It 
>> would mean booting into one or the other.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it 
>> were true?
>> 
>> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> i could not get it to work with control G.
>>> it’s so hard to get it to go.
>>> may even try f6
 On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  
 wrote:
 
 Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I 
 think it's ctrl plus g,
 
 Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when 
 you are dealing with your VM,
 
 It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
 Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
 To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 
 Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
 
 hey all,
 am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can 
 use some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
 what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the 
 VM using fusion.
 i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
 any help would be great.
 
 thanks
 
 Michael
 
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RE: G Suite usability

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry no I didn’t know of that, I haven’t actually used g suite yet but it’s a 
product that is being used by a company I’ve applied to work with

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2019 6:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: G Suite usability

Apparently there is a Google Youtube demo page for accessible Suite usage. Also 
are you aware of the google accessibility mailing list? I believe it is in the 
groups.io sponsorship.



On Sep 12, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi tim,

That’s good to know.

I’ve got an interview via hangouts this morning with a USA based co,
They use g suite for most  of their work,

Just trying to get a handle on it.

Cheers,


Simon f

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 5:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: G Suite usability

Hi,

On the Mac, I use it daily.  Different aspects are more accessible than others. 
 I usually use a combination of Safari and Chrome and a combination of VO and 
ChromeVox.  You can also use G Suite apps and services in iOS and the soon to 
be iPadOS.  Again, some things are easier in one platform vs the other.  For 
example, some Google expandable menus work better in Chrome with CV, yet VO is 
faster and handles some other aspects of the browser experience better.  Sorry 
for being somewhat vague.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 12, 2019, at 00:07, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi lists,

This has been cross posted so there is a windows related aspect.

Has anyone had any luck using the Google G Suite services with either Mac or 
windows based systems?

If so how accessible are they?

Cheers,

Simon f

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Re: Music app in Catalina

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   The 3 apps replacing iTunes in macOS Catalina should offer the same 
functions available now in the current iTunes app. Likewise in iOS 13.


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On 9/14/2019 8:51 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello,
Will the music App in OS X Catalina have a user adjustable EQ like in the 
current iTunes?
Also will iOS 13 have an EQ that allows for user settings other than presets 
only?





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Re: any outstanding issues with voiceover and catalina to look out for?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Voiceover is no worse than under Mojave as far as I can tell from my 
testing.


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On 9/13/2019 9:55 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
i’ve not been testing catalina for a few weeks now because i have been 
extremely busy.
i am playing with IOS 13 and loving it so far tho.
just wanting to know if there are any major difficulties still present? i want 
to jump in again but just want to know how stable VO is.
thanks for any help


Michael



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RE: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Simon A Fogarty]

So you don't use a wizard which would ask you for a lot of the information 
relating to setting up a machine. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 10:51 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey,
just using the instalation file.
i create a virtual machine, hit the finish button and i get no further.
i can luckily use windows to achieve my tasks so i’m not terribly concerned.
Perhaps I should have installed from recovery as you can do from fusion.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 6:56 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What type of installation media are you using to make the vm?
> Is it just the installer file?
> A Bootable USB installer?
> Or an installation DVD / CD?
> 
> Are you using the installation wizard within Fusion or are you doing this 
> install manually?
> 
> What is fusion saying to you and if possible what part of the install are  
> you up to?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 4:56 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> i don’t know how i’m going to install if i can’t get VO talking to do all the 
> prompts.
> it’s just stupid.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 1:56 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok there is one of your issues,
>> 
>> If you don't have the OS installed to the vm environment  then you probably 
>> aren't being giving the option to get into the vm window.
>> 
>> Voiceover with vm fusion will speak the  suggestion of which keys to use to 
>> get into the vm window when your actual vm starts up.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 9:43 AM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> hey,
>> I am still trying to actually install the virtual mac OS.
>> i did this a long time back but just can’t remember.
>> I would be assuming single window but I have no idea.
>> i will try fullscreen as well.
>> 
>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 hey,
 the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
 program needs to run a lot for seeding.
 This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
> mean booting into one or the other.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it 
> were true?
> 
> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> i could not get it to work with control G.
>> it’s so hard to get it to go.
>> may even try f6
>>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I 
>>> think it's ctrl plus g,
>>> 
>>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when 
>>> you are dealing with your VM,
>>> 
>>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
>>> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the 
>>> VM using fusion.
>>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>>> any help would be great.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Craig Werner]

Tim, thank you.  Your suggestion worked in all but one case.  I
deleted a search string containing characters of a particular address
I never want to auto-complete, and when I type the first characters
into the "to" field of a new message, the address still autocompletes.
I literally read every entry in the "Previous Recipients" window and
can't find the address which persists in autocompleting.  Any other
place I should look, please?

Thank you.

Best,
Craig

On 9/13/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> Try going under the Window menu, down to Previous Recipients and removing it
> from there.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 13, 2019, at 15:49, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I am using the standard Mac Mail client under os 10.14.6.  When I
> start typing a particular address into the "To" field of an email
> message, the application autocompletes to a bogus address that I once
> accidentally typed.  How can I delete this address from the list of
> emails that autocomplete?
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Best,
> Craig
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Need Help with Negative Numbers in Excel

[Dave Carlson]

I continue to explore using MS-Excel on my Mac. I’m starting to get a handle on 
it, but there’s a major problem. Negative numbers.
There are places where they appear and I need to know when they do. As I scroll 
across and vertically through various amounts of US$, I am accustomed to being 
able to hear when there are parenthesis around a negative value. So far, even 
with VO set to announce all punctuation, these  never speak. So all my 
amounts sound like they are positive numbers.
Even changing the negative value format to be a -$ instead of parentheses VO 
still will not announce the minus sign.
What do I need to change either in Excel or in VO to make this work? It’s a 
game-changer.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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a place to put my audio samples

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi all:

I have some audio samples that i need to upload, the problem is not
uploading at all, i need a site that can stream these samples once
clicking on a link for Playlist or single track, SOundcloud is not
accessible for me at all, so need some thoughts to be able to put my
audio samples to a non-experienced users.
Thanks in advance.


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Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

Any takers out there? I still haven’t figured out a way to have VO specifically 
verbalize parenthesis or minus signs in Excel. And this also appears to be a 
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Re: any outstanding issues with voiceover and catalina to look out for?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Suggest that you go Jon the public user beta.
I tell you more there Michael.
/A

> 14 sep. 2019 kl. 16:01 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Voiceover is no worse than under Mojave as far as I can tell from my 
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> On 9/13/2019 9:55 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> i’ve not been testing catalina for a few weeks now because i have been 
>> extremely busy.
>> i am playing with IOS 13 and loving it so far tho.
>> just wanting to know if there are any major difficulties still present? i 
>> want to jump in again but just want to know how stable VO is.
>> thanks for any help
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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Mine does announce negative numbers in the Numbers app.  What is your 
punctuation level set to?  Mine is to some.

Later...


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Sep 14, 2019, at 10:30, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Any takers out there? I still haven’t figured out a way to have VO specifically 
verbalize parenthesis or minus signs in Excel. And this also appears to be a 
problem using theNumbers app.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

Yes, Mine has been set to “some” and Also to “All”. Still no joy.

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Re: Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, you should look in your contacts also. Both contacts and recent 
recipients have a search field that should help you. I find Google contacts 
particularly cumbersome with adding items I don't want. If you have a Google 
account, I would suggest not having it sync with your computer.

Best wishes,

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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

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Mary,
Okay, thought I’d ask.


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Re: Can't find my home videos on Apple tv 3rd generation

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

E.T., Thanks so much.  Ignorant as I feel, could you help me determine where I 
would find my apps on Apple tv 3rd gen?  I feel so silly but I can’t find them 
- never used apps on Apple tv before.

Cheers

Andrew
> On 13 Sep 2019, at 16:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   The only change to ATV 3rd was the addition of the 3 new apps replacing 
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> days then check those new apps where you will find your library.
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>> Since last software update on my Apple tv 3rd gen, I can’t find my home 
>> videos nor my iTunes library via the Apple tv.  Home sharing is enabled on 
>> all my computers & Apple tv but no luck.  Any ideas?  Has Apple moved this 
>> facility somewhere else in the menus?  I can’t find it anywhere.  So 
>> frustrating.
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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

Hot D**n! That did it! I hate Tom, so I’m looking for a voice I can stand for 
long periods. But you did hit the nail on the head. Thanks so much for your 
suggestion. Now I’m going to send a follow-up to Apple Accessibility with this, 
to add to one more reason Alex is not a reliable kind of guy.


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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

[Mary Otten]

Dave, in word, no. So far as I know, there is no and will never be eloquence 
for the Mac. I know a lot of people like that synthesizer. I can’t imagine why, 
but I just can’t see it ever coming to any Apple products.


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> Just as the subject says, can I get good old Eloquence loaded on my Mac to 
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Re: Can't find my home videos on Apple tv 3rd generation

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   No worries Andrew. All the apps are on the main menu. I think the 
apps from Apple should be there bu default. The one you want is 
Computers which should display 4 items that is your library. Music, 
Movies, TV Shows and Home Videos. To be clear, thse are not apps so 
don't be confused.


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On 9/14/2019 10:14 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

E.T., Thanks so much.  Ignorant as I feel, could you help me determine where I 
would find my apps on Apple tv 3rd gen?  I feel so silly but I can’t find them 
- never used apps on Apple tv before.

Cheers

Andrew

On 13 Sep 2019, at 16:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Andrew,
   The only change to ATV 3rd was the addition of the 3 new apps replacing 
iTunes. Also the Computers item on the main menu was moved but it is still 
there and you will find your library there. Now if this changed in the last 3 
days then check those new apps where you will find your library.

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/13/2019 8:03 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Since last software update on my Apple tv 3rd gen, I can’t find my home videos nor 
my iTunes library via the Apple tv.  Home sharing is enabled on all my computers 
& Apple tv but no luck.  Any ideas?  Has Apple moved this facility somewhere 
else in the menus?  I can’t find it anywhere.  So frustrating.
Andrew


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Re: any outstanding issues with voiceover and catalina to look out for?

[Michael Marshall]

thanks.
that is what i was hoping to here.

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 12:01 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> hey,
>> i’ve not been testing catalina for a few weeks now because i have been 
>> extremely busy.
>> i am playing with IOS 13 and loving it so far tho.
>> just wanting to know if there are any major difficulties still present? i 
>> want to jump in again but just want to know how stable VO is.
>> thanks for any help
>> Michael
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Rhetorical question

[Angus MacKinnon]

Maybe I am missing something. However, why are the Screen Reader Users (like 
VoiceOver) left out of major security advances like Firefox’s DNS over HTTPS , 
DOH? AS a blind Canadian I am unable to use Mac’s Firefox like Mac’s Safari.

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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

[Dave Carlson]

Wow! These voices are extremely good. The children’s voices are so realistic, 
but I don’t think I’d want to have one for all the time. Thanks for passing 
this along.

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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry if this has been suggested already or if it isn’t any help, I haven’t 
really followed this thread. Does it make any difference if you change the 
voiceover voice?

> On 15/09/2019, at 2:19 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Yes, Mine has been set to “some” and Also to “All”. Still no joy.
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

[Mary Otten]

If Apple ever decides to open up the system so that you can use voices that you 
bought somewhere, such as if you have voice dream reader and have purchased 
voices there, then maybe there will be a greater selection available for 
systemwide usage. And should that happen, if somebody decided somehow legally 
to Port eloquence over, then maybe. But that is a lot of if‘s. And somebody 
would have to decide it was worth their time and that they could make money. 
Another dubious possibility.


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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

Petrus,
You know, you have a way of hitting nails on the head. I didn’t even think of 
that, even knowing what Alex does with the Roman numerals. Off to give that a 
try.

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A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

[Dave Carlson]

Just as the subject says, can I get good old Eloquence loaded on my Mac to use 
for VO?

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Re: Rhetorical question

[lenron brown]

I use firefox with nvda and it works wonderful on windows. On the mac
not so much.

On 9/14/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Note firefox is not an apple product,
>
> It is made by a company called mazilla
> It is third party and apple / mac have no control over it’s development or
> how it works with voiceover,
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> This is a similar situation on a windows machine with jaws in that firefox
> is a crap browser currently and doesn’t really do well with screen reading
> technology.
>
>
> So if you have issues with its accessibility you will have to take it up
> with the firefox developers and that is not apple.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
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> Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2019 12:01 PM
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> Subject: Rhetorical question
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> Maybe I am missing something. However, why are the Screen Reader Users (like
> VoiceOver) left out of major security advances like Firefox’s DNS over HTTPS
> , DOH? AS a blind Canadian I am unable to use Mac’s Firefox like Mac’s
> Safari.
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Dave,
   Report it. And meanwhile, check out Infovox. They have voices which 
you can listen to samples of.




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in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/14/2019 8:30 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Just as the subject says, can I get good old Eloquence loaded on my Mac to use 
for VO?

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Re: any outstanding issues with voiceover and catalina to look out for?

[Michael Marshall]

thanks will do.

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 3:03 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Suggest that you go Jon the public user beta.
> I tell you more there Michael.
> /A
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>> 14 sep. 2019 kl. 16:01 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>>  Voiceover is no worse than under Mojave as far as I can tell from my 
>> testing.
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>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/13/2019 9:55 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> i’ve not been testing catalina for a few weeks now because i have been 
>>> extremely busy.
>>> i am playing with IOS 13 and loving it so far tho.
>>> just wanting to know if there are any major difficulties still present? i 
>>> want to jump in again but just want to know how stable VO is.
>>> thanks for any help
>>> Michael
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RE: Rhetorical question

[Simon A Fogarty]

Note firefox is not an apple product,

It is made by a company called mazilla
It is third party and apple / mac have no control over it’s development or how 
it works with voiceover,

This is a similar situation on a windows machine with jaws in that firefox is a 
crap browser currently and doesn’t really do well with screen reading 
technology.


So if you have issues with its accessibility you will have to take it up with 
the firefox developers and that is not apple.

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Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2019 12:01 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Rhetorical question

Maybe I am missing something. However, why are the Screen Reader Users (like 
VoiceOver) left out of major security advances like Firefox’s DNS over HTTPS , 
DOH? AS a blind Canadian I am unable to use Mac’s Firefox like Mac’s Safari.

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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hmmm. Alex works well for me. Negatives are announced properly. 


 Later... 


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> Hot D**n! That did it! I hate Tom, so I’m looking for a voice I can stand for 
> long periods. But you did hit the nail on the head. Thanks so much for your 
> suggestion. Now I’m going to send a follow-up to Apple Accessibility with 
> this, to add to one more reason Alex is not a reliable kind of guy.
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dave,

I presume you’ve tried all the other English-language voices available to 
download from Apple? I can’t stand Alex but I use good old Fred most of the 
time. I also use Fiona as my system voice.
In English, we have a huge choice of voices. I’m much more limited when it 
comes to French voices but Thomas suits me fine.
Cheers,

Anne




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> Wow! These voices are extremely good. The children’s voices are so realistic, 
> but I don’t think I’d want to have one for all the time. Thanks for passing 
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Re: Chop comic demo

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi simon, 

Let me play around with the accelerometer and compile an IOS version :) 


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> Hi Yuma,
>  
> Will this run on IOS as well as windows, I’ve got a few friends I’d like to 
> show this to,
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 1:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Chop comic demo
>  
> Hi mac users,
>  
> I just wanted to share with you a little fun demo app on MAC OS I did, which 
> is basically a comic shop you can walk around in 3D, listen to comics say 
> stupid jokes and get the crowd to clap, laugh etc. 
>  
> It's quite immersive on a surround sound system, but works on headphones too. 
> It's HRTF audio, stands for head related transfer functions. It's the basis 
> of binaural audio.
>  
> Here is the dropbox link, please follow the instructions carefully to make it 
> work.
>  
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/egr594wq1yovxe1/chopComic.zip?dl=0
>  
> I apologise for the non friendly way of starting it, but if you have any 
> issues, get in touch and I'll help you get it up and running :)
>  
> I think this could be a funny crowd generator, where all of us can record our 
> voices laughing, jeering, cheering etc, and keep adding to it.
>  
> I'm not intend on making this commercial, but an open source project with 
> more types of actions in the 3D audio space as we go along.
>  
> Have a great weekend y'all :)
>  
>  
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