Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Dave Carlson]

Doug,
I don’t know of any easier way to clear the playback queue. Some apps like 
Blind Square use this audio channel, but when it closes, it leafes it blank. 
Another messy solution…

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:14 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:

Ah, good to know without making a mess to find out. :)

Last question then: Is there an easier way to clear the playback controls from 
the lock screen? Currently I
load and then close the Music app to get that done.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 07:11:12PM -0800, Dave Carlson wrote:
  Doug,

  No. Don’t delete the app. The unfortunate answer is that whatever media
  is remaining  will. Play as default. You can see what that is if you go
  to the control center and swipe to media to see what’s I the queue.
  Only answer is to use another media (audio books, podcast, YouTube
  video, etc.) as your last thing played, and that will live in the queue
  until replaced by something else.

  Dave Carlson
  Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
  dgcarlson0...@gmail.com

  On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
  Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my
  deleting the Music app? That was my only
  guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never
  had reason to check what happens if I
  later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.
  On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
  Hi Doug,
  As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic
  tap gesture.
  Gabe
  Gabe Griffith
  President, California Council of the Blind
  (925)222-5762
  gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org

On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic
tap" somehow, but I do know it is a
multi-function gesture.
But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of
active functions the activation of the Music
app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play
in some cases. I don't use my phone for
music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an
edit field but it's not, I know the gesture
will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture,
at that time, from instead activating
Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
Thanks again.
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi,
The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap.
The reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer
or hang up a call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will
start and stop media from playing. If you want to use it for
dictation you will need to be sure the edit field, whether a text
message or an email or something else, is activated. If it isn't and
you perform the to finger double tap then that is when your media
such as music will start playing.
I hope that helps,
Gabe
Gabe Griffith
President, California Council of the Blind
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org

On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what
follows also applies to iOS 17.
As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform
which results in surprise music; so I am
wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from
starting music playback. I have two reasons:
First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering
with dictation that I was actually trying
to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock
screen, as clearing them requires me to
launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my
lock screen even if there is no music to
play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
* Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
* Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it
but now often then moves immediately to the
last message.
* Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech,
assuming focus is where I put it. When
it's not, I get the surprise.
Any info most welcome.

-- 
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"I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't so."
- Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Doug Lee]

Ah, good to know without making a mess to find out. :)

Last question then: Is there an easier way to clear the playback controls from 
the lock screen? Currently I
load and then close the Music app to get that done.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 07:11:12PM -0800, Dave Carlson wrote:
   Doug,

   No. Don’t delete the app. The unfortunate answer is that whatever media
   is remaining  will. Play as default. You can see what that is if you go
   to the control center and swipe to media to see what’s I the queue.
   Only answer is to use another media (audio books, podcast, YouTube
   video, etc.) as your last thing played, and that will live in the queue
   until replaced by something else.

   Dave Carlson
   Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
   dgcarlson0...@gmail.com

   On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
   Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my
   deleting the Music app? That was my only
   guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never
   had reason to check what happens if I
   later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.
   On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
   Hi Doug,
   As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic
   tap gesture.
   Gabe
   Gabe Griffith
   President, California Council of the Blind
   (925)222-5762
   gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org

 On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
 Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic
 tap" somehow, but I do know it is a
 multi-function gesture.
 But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of
 active functions the activation of the Music
 app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play
 in some cases. I don't use my phone for
 music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an
 edit field but it's not, I know the gesture
 will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture,
 at that time, from instead activating
 Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
 Thanks again.
 On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
 Hi,
 The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap.
 The reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer
 or hang up a call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will
 start and stop media from playing. If you want to use it for
 dictation you will need to be sure the edit field, whether a text
 message or an email or something else, is activated. If it isn't and
 you perform the to finger double tap then that is when your media
 such as music will start playing.
 I hope that helps,
 Gabe
 Gabe Griffith
 President, California Council of the Blind
 (925)222-5762
 gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org

 On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
 I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what
 follows also applies to iOS 17.
 As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform
 which results in surprise music; so I am
 wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from
 starting music playback. I have two reasons:
 First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering
 with dictation that I was actually trying
 to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock
 screen, as clearing them requires me to
 launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my
 lock screen even if there is no music to
 play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
 The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
 * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
 * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it
 but now often then moves immediately to the
 last message.
 * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech,
 assuming focus is where I put it. When
 it's not, I get the surprise.
 Any info most welcome.

-- 
Doug Lee d...@dlee.orghttp://www.dlee.org
"I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't so."
- Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Dave Carlson]

Doug,

No. Don’t delete the app. The unfortunate answer is that whatever media is 
remaining  will. Play as default. You can see what that is if you go to the 
control center and swipe to media to see what’s I the queue. Only answer is to 
use another media (audio books, podcast, YouTube video, etc.) as your last 
thing played, and that will live in the queue until replaced by something else.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:

Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my deleting 
the Music app? That was my only
guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never had 
reason to check what happens if I
later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi Doug, 

As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic tap 
gesture. 

Gabe 


Gabe Griffith 
President, California Council of the Blind 
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic tap" 
> somehow, but I do know it is a
> multi-function gesture.
> 
> But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of active 
> functions the activation of the Music
> app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play in some 
> cases. I don't use my phone for
> music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an edit field 
> but it's not, I know the gesture
> will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture, at that 
> time, from instead activating
> Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The 
> reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a 
> call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from 
> playing. If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the 
> edit field, whether a text message or an email or something else, is 
> activated. If it isn't and you perform the to finger double tap then that is 
> when your media such as music will start playing.
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith
> President, California Council of the Blind
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
>> 
>> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
>> applies to iOS 17.
>> 
>> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
>> results in surprise music; so I am
>> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
>> playback. I have two reasons:
>> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
>> dictation that I was actually trying
>> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
>> clearing them requires me to
>> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
>> even if there is no music to
>> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
>> 
>> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
>> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
>> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
>> often then moves immediately to the
>> last message.
>> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, 
>> assuming focus is where I put it. When
>> it's not, I get the surprise.
>> 
>> Any info most welcome.

-- 
Doug Lee d...@dlee.orghttp://www.dlee.org
"Sometimes I think my learning curve is a circle." -- David Andrews

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Doug Lee]

Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my deleting 
the Music app? That was my only
guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never had 
reason to check what happens if I
later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi Doug, 

As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic tap 
gesture. 

Gabe 


Gabe Griffith 
President, California Council of the Blind 
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic tap" 
> somehow, but I do know it is a
> multi-function gesture.
> 
> But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of active 
> functions the activation of the Music
> app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play in some 
> cases. I don't use my phone for
> music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an edit field 
> but it's not, I know the gesture
> will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture, at that 
> time, from instead activating
> Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The 
> reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a 
> call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from 
> playing. If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the 
> edit field, whether a text message or an email or something else, is 
> activated. If it isn't and you perform the to finger double tap then that is 
> when your media such as music will start playing.
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith
> President, California Council of the Blind
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
>> 
>> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
>> applies to iOS 17.
>> 
>> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
>> results in surprise music; so I am
>> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
>> playback. I have two reasons:
>> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
>> dictation that I was actually trying
>> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
>> clearing them requires me to
>> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
>> even if there is no music to
>> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
>> 
>> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
>> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
>> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
>> often then moves immediately to the
>> last message.
>> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, 
>> assuming focus is where I put it. When
>> it's not, I get the surprise.
>> 
>> Any info most welcome.

-- 
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"Sometimes I think my learning curve is a circle." -- David Andrews

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi Doug, 

As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic tap 
gesture. 

Gabe 


Gabe Griffith 
President, California Council of the Blind 
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic tap" 
> somehow, but I do know it is a
> multi-function gesture.
> 
> But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of active 
> functions the activation of the Music
> app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play in some 
> cases. I don't use my phone for
> music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an edit field 
> but it's not, I know the gesture
> will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture, at that 
> time, from instead activating
> Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The 
> reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a 
> call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from 
> playing. If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the 
> edit field, whether a text message or an email or something else, is 
> activated. If it isn't and you perform the to finger double tap then that is 
> when your media such as music will start playing.
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith
> President, California Council of the Blind
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
>> 
>> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
>> applies to iOS 17.
>> 
>> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
>> results in surprise music; so I am
>> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
>> playback. I have two reasons:
>> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
>> dictation that I was actually trying
>> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
>> clearing them requires me to
>> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
>> even if there is no music to
>> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
>> 
>> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
>> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
>> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
>> often then moves immediately to the
>> last message.
>> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, 
>> assuming focus is where I put it. When
>> it's not, I get the surprise.
>> 
>> Any info most welcome.
> 
> --
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> ability to seek it.  To be free defines what we can do, not what we can get.
> (03/28/05)
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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Doug Lee]

Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic tap" 
somehow, but I do know it is a
multi-function gesture.

But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of active 
functions the activation of the Music
app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play in some 
cases. I don't use my phone for
music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an edit field but 
it's not, I know the gesture
will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture, at that 
time, from instead activating
Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.

Thanks again.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi, 

The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The reason 
for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a call, it 
will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from playing. 
If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the edit field, 
whether a text message or an email or something else, is activated. If it isn't 
and you perform the to finger double tap then that is when your media such as 
music will start playing. 

I hope that helps, 

Gabe 


Gabe Griffith 
President, California Council of the Blind 
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
> applies to iOS 17.
> 
> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
> results in surprise music; so I am
> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
> playback. I have two reasons:
> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
> dictation that I was actually trying
> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
> clearing them requires me to
> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
> even if there is no music to
> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
> 
> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
> often then moves immediately to the
>  last message.
> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, assuming 
> focus is where I put it. When
>  it's not, I get the surprise.
> 
> Any info most welcome.

-- 
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Freedom is not the ability to have what we want.  Freedom is merely the
ability to seek it.  To be free defines what we can do, not what we can get.
(03/28/05)

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi, 

The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The reason 
for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a call, it 
will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from playing. 
If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the edit field, 
whether a text message or an email or something else, is activated. If it isn't 
and you perform the to finger double tap then that is when your media such as 
music will start playing. 

I hope that helps, 

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> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
> applies to iOS 17.
> 
> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
> results in surprise music; so I am
> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
> playback. I have two reasons:
> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
> dictation that I was actually trying
> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
> clearing them requires me to
> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
> even if there is no music to
> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
> 
> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
> often then moves immediately to the
>  last message.
> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, assuming 
> focus is where I put it. When
>  it's not, I get the surprise.
> 
> Any info most welcome.
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Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Doug Lee]

I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
applies to iOS 17.

As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
results in surprise music; so I am
wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
playback. I have two reasons:
First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
dictation that I was actually trying
to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
clearing them requires me to
launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
even if there is no music to
play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.

The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
* Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
* Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now often 
then moves immediately to the
  last message.
* Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, assuming 
focus is where I put it. When
  it's not, I get the surprise.

Any info most welcome.

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Side button behaviors in iOS 17

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

[Reposting, as the following reply didn't make it to the list - I 
probably forgot the reply-to-all.]


I’m just describing how Apple works. As I understand it, their attitude 
has long been that they design the user interface as they want it to be, 
to provide the experience they think best, and your only options are to 
accept it or to choose something else.


It isn’t like Linux, where you have much more choice (e.g., different 
desktop environments with different user interfaces). They’re just two 
totally different approaches to software design.


Regards,

Jason.

*From: *Phil Halton 
*Date: *Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 14:21
*To: *Jason J.G. White 
*Subject: *Re: Side button behaviors in iOS 17

Thanks Jason that’s useful information I guess I had haptic feedback 
turned off for system responses. Like I say the information was useful, 
but I can do without the lecture, no thank you. Sent from my IPhone > On 
Nov 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Jason J.G. White wrote: > >  >> On 22/11/23 
23:27, Phil Halton wrote: >> OK, in iOS 17 it seems they’ve changed the 
behavior of the side button for use with Siri. It used to be that you 
would hold the button and wait for the sound and then speak to Siri. You 
would have to do this for each request of Siri. Now, it seems that you 
press the button and you don’t get the sound you just make your request 
and then Siri responds with the sound And the result. > > This isn't 
quite right: there is supposed to be haptic feedback when Siri is ready 
to receive your speech input - that is, haptics rather than sound. > > 
It works as described on my iPhone XS. So far as I know, there is no 
option to change it back to the old audible feedback. > > If you buy 
into Apple's products, you get their user interface choices. If you 
disagree with some of those decisions, that's bad luck. >


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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[joseph hudson]

It's really not even necessary to create a map. You can normally just shut off 
a room that you don't want vacuumed.
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> On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> I use Roborock and it works fine. Of course I’m not able to create a map on 
> my own but I guess that’s pretty normal.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 24.11.2023 um 18:53 schrieb joseph hudson :
>> 
>> I second Dave's recommendation. It is very accessible. There is nothing that 
>> you can't do with that model. Some models of that vacuum now clean better 
>> than others. So please look at reviews and talk to sales clerks about what 
>> the best recommendation is before you purchase.
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>>> 
>>> Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
>>> I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with 
>>> voiceover, since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, 
>>> what we can, and cannot do.
>>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[Jürgen Fleger]

I use Roborock and it works fine. Of course I’m not able to create a map on my 
own but I guess that’s pretty normal.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 24.11.2023 um 18:53 schrieb joseph hudson :
> 
> I second Dave's recommendation. It is very accessible. There is nothing that 
> you can't do with that model. Some models of that vacuum now clean better 
> than others. So please look at reviews and talk to sales clerks about what 
> the best recommendation is before you purchase.
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>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Steve Z.  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
>> I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with 
>> voiceover, since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, 
>> what we can, and cannot do.
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[joseph hudson]

I second Dave's recommendation. It is very accessible. There is nothing that 
you can't do with that model. Some models of that vacuum now clean better than 
others. So please look at reviews and talk to sales clerks about what the best 
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> 
> Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
> I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with voiceover, 
> since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, what we can, 
> and cannot do.
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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[Dave Carlson]

iRobot Roomba app is very accessible.

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On Nov 24, 2023, at 3:02 AM, Steve Z.  wrote:

Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with voiceover, 
since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, what we can, and 
cannot do.
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Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[Steve Z.]

Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with voiceover, 
since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, what we can, and 
cannot do.
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Re: on screen keyboard

[Thuy Mallalieu]

Hi Gabe. I'm having the same problems as you. The only way to make the onscreen keyboard visible is to use either external keyboard or Braille Display and the space with dots 1 4 6 a couple of times to toggle to onscreen keyboard visible. I was looking in the voiceover commands list to see if I could assign a gesture to make keyboard visible but the only way I could see was through the Braille commands. It was here that I found some strange anomalies. Listed in my Braille devices was my Sony WH1000 headphones. Sure enough the show/hide onscreen keyboard command was there in the list of available commands but nothing assigned to it. I'm wondering whether you may have paired something like those headphones which could be sending some kind of command to voiceover to hide the keyboard? I just removed it from my bluetooth devices and will see if that sorts out the problem. Very annoying as I quite like the sound of those headphones. Quite why they should show up as a Braille device is a bit of a mystery to me though? Let's hope that resolves things.CheersThuyOn 24 Nov 2023, at 04:50, Gabe Griffith  wrote:Hi, Sorry if I was confusing. I'm talking about that when I activate the edit field I can type using braille screen input but the onscreen keyboard is often hidden. This causes issues because if I'm in Safari trying to get to a web page for example I can type the web address but since there is no keyboard the go button doesn't show up. If I'm in an app that has some kind of search type button that doesn't appear because the keyboard is hidden. I hope that helps clarify the issue. Gabe Gabe Griffith President, California Council of the Blind (925)222-5762gabe.griff...@ccbnet.orgOn Nov 23, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:Dave,Confused. Why or where is it necessary to have the on screen keyboard show when there is no active edit field? Not sure I understand.
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On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:34 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:hi, Yes, I've always had the keyboard show up whenever an edit field is active also. This is new behavior.  I forgot to mention that I have rebooted my phone and that brings back the keyboard but that seems to only be temporary.Thanks, Gabe     Gabe Griffith President, California Council of the Blind (925)222-5762gabe.griff...@ccbnet.orgOn Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:Try turning off bluetooth on the iPhone.This should help determine if the issue has to do with a bluetooth device.
- Brad -


On Nov 23, 2023, at 21:54, Dave Carlson  wrote:I would think the keyboard should show up whenever there is an edit field and it is active. I have not seen this behavior with iOS 17.1.1. Also iPhone 14 Pro.
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On Nov 23, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:Hello all, Ever since I updated to iOS 17 I have been having an issue where my on screen keboard doesn't show up on my iPhone 14 Pro. I Thought it might be an iOS 17 thing or have to do with my having a couple of different braille displays connected but my fiance just got a new 14 Pro yesterday and is occasionally having the same issue and she most definitely doesn't have any keyboards or braille displays connected to her phone Does anyone have any thoughts on what would cause this and how to get the keyboard to show up? I generally use braille screen input so can get around it when typing but it makes things quite difficult for things like getting to a web site or performing a product search in apps. Thanks, Gabe Gabe Griffith President, California Council of the Blind (925)222-5762gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/136C57DE-37AD-40BC-B3C8-A7D695D84AB7%40gmail.com.

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