Now you can disregard my Authentication Busy Issue

[Sharon Hooley]

It seems to be cooperating with me now.

Thank you anyway



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Authentication Busy, Busy, Busy

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

Maybe this has been addressed before, but I hope you don't mind.

I recently updated my Mac Air to Siera, and was able to enter my username and 
password.  But the system was unable to unlock my Icloud Keychain.  So I got 
the choice to update, create new, or go on with the login.  I do want to update 
it, so I selected that.  But now, as far as I know, authentication is busy.  Is 
there anything I can do, or should I turn off the machine, turn it back on, 
log-in, then do something else?

Thanks,



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Re: Apple music on the Mac with Siri

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Dito for my Siri. I try not to have one command do more than needed.

It is snappier to have Seri on FN + space anyway.

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> On 13 Oct 2016, at 3:34 AM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> This is good.  I would just like to say that I switched my command for Siri.  
> I switched to FN Space instead of Command Space.  I did this because Command 
> Space is Spotlight and I type stuff into Spotlight when I'm searching for 
> something.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t seen this addressed recently, but in case you haven’t tried or 
>> didn’t know, Siri will play music in iTunes for Apple Music subscribers.
>> 
>> simply hold down Command space and say “play” song title, or “play” artist 
>> after the tone.
>> 
>> I’ve experienced having to say the command a bit slow for it to hear me well.
>> 
>> You can then skip, repeat, Play, pause, and shuffle with the same key 
>> commands for media play using the function keys s through 12 in combination 
>> with the fn key.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple music on the Mac with Siri

[Ryan Mann]

This is good.  I would just like to say that I switched my command for Siri.  I 
switched to FN Space instead of Command Space.  I did this because Command 
Space is Spotlight and I type stuff into Spotlight when I'm searching for 
something.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
> wrote:
> 
> I haven’t seen this addressed recently, but in case you haven’t tried or 
> didn’t know, Siri will play music in iTunes for Apple Music subscribers.
> 
> simply hold down Command space and say “play” song title, or “play” artist 
> after the tone.
> 
> I’ve experienced having to say the command a bit slow for it to hear me well.
> 
> You can then skip, repeat, Play, pause, and shuffle with the same key 
> commands for media play using the function keys s through 12 in combination 
> with the fn key.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> 
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Phil Halton]

How about using a ethernet to thunderbolt adapter for the air and connect 
through ethernet in that way avoiding any Wi-Fi issues.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
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> 
> Ok, that is new. I did a fresh install of Yosemite a couple of years ago, and 
> the wi-Fi connection did not persist.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
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>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 7:58 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> If he joins the Wifi it will carry over to the recovery partition.  Also, 
>> you can get to that screen with voice over by pressing vo m twice, arrowing 
>> twice and then down.  This has worked for me as recently as a week ago when 
>> fresh installing on a 2011 MacBook Pro.  However, if he already is joined to 
>> WiFi before the fresh install it should persist.
>> 
>> Let me know if you disagree I think I understood the issue correctly.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I see only one issue with your steps. Unless you have either some sight or 
>>> are pare of eyes to borrow, installing the OS is going to be very hard. The 
>>> air does not have an ethernet port, and the wi-Fi network selection screens 
>>> do not talk.
>>> 
>>> The best workaround I can think of in your case, is to build a USB 
>>> installation disk.
>>> 
>>> This is not too hard, the steps is as follows.
>>> 
>>> Begin by downloading the installer directly from the App store.
>>> It will automatically launch the Installer. Go ahead and close that and 
>>> insert your USB drive into your Mac.
>>> Open up the Disk Utility app and rename the USB drive to “SierraInstaller.
>>> I would also recommend formatting the above mentioned USB drive to Mac OS 
>>> Extended journal, with a GUID partition scheme.
>>> Open the terminal app and copy and paste the following code and press enter:
>>> 
>>> sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
>>> Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume 
>>> /Volumes/SierraInstaller --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
>>> Sierra.app --nointeraction & Done
>>> 
>>> I have taken the above steps off a website, so if there is any errors, 
>>> replace all \ characters with /
>>> 
>>> Remember, you are using Sudo, so your mac will ask for your password.
>>> 
>>> Once everything is complete, you should have a bootable USB drive that 
>>> contains the build of macOS Sierra you downloaded. Go ahead and reboot your 
>>> computer and hold down the Option key with C.
>>> That is all there is to it!
>>> 
>>> From there you can use the USB installer like you would use recovery mode.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
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>>> 
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 On 12 Oct 2016, at 4:14 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
 These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on 
 my MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please 
 let me know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer 
 in iTunes to avoid problems
 
 One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
 Two. I have backed up my machine.
 Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
 erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
 journaled as the disk format.
 Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
 reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
 Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings 
 to my liking.
 The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and 
 seems to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up 
 more than it used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got 
 this air with the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a 
 clean install for once.
 
 
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Re: Apple music on the Mac with Siri

[Scott Granados]

I tried this the other day with Eddy Grant and Electric Avenue.  Very cool 
feature when combined with Apple music.:)


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
> wrote:
> 
> I haven’t seen this addressed recently, but in case you haven’t tried or 
> didn’t know, Siri will play music in iTunes for Apple Music subscribers.
> 
> simply hold down Command space and say “play” song title, or “play” artist 
> after the tone.
> 
> I’ve experienced having to say the command a bit slow for it to hear me well.
> 
> You can then skip, repeat, Play, pause, and shuffle with the same key 
> commands for media play using the function keys s through 12 in combination 
> with the fn key.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[E.T.]

Gena,
   I may need to delete the one title that refuses to work and then try 
it again.


   I installed the older version of the removal tool which matches your 
steps. Same result though.


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On 10/12/2016 1:50 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

I don’t remember running into the kindle wizard myself. What are the
steps you take to run the kindle wizard? Then don’t do those steps again.

I did give an example of a kindle extension. So anything looking like
.azw is the file you need to point to. I have seen .mobi and .html files
too.

Good luck.

Gena





On 12 Oct 2016, at 17:39, E.T. > wrote:

  Another update on this process...

  The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.

  Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and
convert it.

  What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon.
The wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should
not apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the
status for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing
the wizard gets me nowhere.

  I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk  >. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\some path with
spaces"

Options:
 --version   show program's 

Apple music on the Mac with Siri

[Antonio Guimaraes]

I haven’t seen this addressed recently, but in case you haven’t tried or didn’t 
know, Siri will play music in iTunes for Apple Music subscribers.

simply hold down Command space and say “play” song title, or “play” artist 
after the tone.

I’ve experienced having to say the command a bit slow for it to hear me well.

You can then skip, repeat, Play, pause, and shuffle with the same key commands 
for media play using the function keys s through 12 in combination with the fn 
key.

Enjoy,

Antonio





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Re: Clean install of Sierra

[matthew dyer]

Chris,


The only problem I ran into was durring icloud set up I had a problem 
whare trying to enable 2factor authentication the system would reboot at 
the screen whare you are asked for a phone number to use for ggetting a 
code. I left this alone to get everything else set up then set it up 
later, but other than that you should be fine.



Matthew




On 10/12/2016 01:26 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

I plan to do a clean install of Sierra, just to see if there are any issues my 
girlfriend may experience if she does it on her own. For now though, are you 
aware of any? I see no issues when updating from El Capitan or the GM (Golden 
Master), but never done a clean install. Any responses greatly appreciated. 
Thanks!




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Re: How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[Stacey Robinson]

It is downloading and taking forever.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:43 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1. Open the App Store from either the Apple menu or the dock.
> 
> 2. The link for Sierra should be right on the home page of the App Store. So 
> click on that.
> 
> 3. Click the download button.
> 
> 4. If prompted for your Apple ID, enter the appropriate credentials. It 
> should then begin downloading.
> 
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 14:45, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and installing 
>> the latest mac os update to my macbook air?
>> 
>> Peace,   
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Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Scott Granados]

I like that analogy.:)

Hopefully these aren’t Starship Troopers sized roaches.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I honestly do not give a dam where the messages go, I just want the darn 
> things out of my bloody inbox!! which is precisely where they stay.
> 
> It is like an infection of cockroaches or ants in your kitchen. Completely 
> unwelcome where they are, but fine outside!
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
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> 
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>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 8:47 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Scott is correct.  gMail accounts do not normally send deleted messages to 
>> the Trash Mailbox unless you specifically tell them to.  My question is, 
>> does the message that you delete get removed from the InBox, but just is not 
>> present in your Trash Mailbox?  If so, it will be in the Archived Mailbox.  
>> You can set the behaviour to place a copy in your Trash if you like in Mail 
>> Prefs.  In the past though, this caused some sync problems with Google's 
>> Mail servers.  This issue may have been fixed, but I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:28, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
>> archives instead?
>> 
>> I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the 
>> appropriate grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than 
>> traditional mail servers.
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there folks,
>>> 
>>> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
>>> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the 
>>> trash. Is there something I do not know?
>>> 
>>> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
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Using Audacity when totally blind

[Bill Gallik]

All,

I am asking for some advice trying to use Audacity on my Mac. I am trying to 
cut out a 5.23 second snippet of an audio file but am having difficulty trying 
to get those start and links fields appropriately filled in. Can anybody offer 
me any suggestions?

I was hoping that I could simply enter act with the text fields and fill in the 
numbers as appropriate. This is proving to be extremely difficult!



- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 10.0.2)

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Help with Pages

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there folks,

I am writing a document for which I need to know the word count. I know that 
command Shift W shows this, but I cannot find it anywhere on the screen.

Please help?

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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

I don’t remember running into the kindle wizard myself. What are the steps you 
take to run the kindle wizard? Then don’t do those steps again.

I did give an example of a kindle extension. So anything looking like .azw is 
the file you need to point to. I have seen .mobi and .html files too.

Good luck.

Gena




> On 12 Oct 2016, at 17:39, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Another update on this process...
> 
>   The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but once 
> those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.
> 
>   Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file is the 
> file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and convert it.
> 
>   What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be popping up 
> since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon. The wizard deals 
> with content that comes from other sources so should not apply. I cannot do 
> the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the status for the 2nd book shows 
> "information is incoeect". Dismissing the wizard gets me nowhere.
> 
>   I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both are in 
> the library folder. Will keep working on this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> Handling Kindle Books On The Mac
>> 
>> This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
>> must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
>> for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.
>> 
>> Download the following:
>> Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
>> set to amazon.co.uk  > >. This setting is difficult to
>> change so download from your country to save you the bother.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110 
>> 
>> 
>> From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
>> authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
>> typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
>> a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
>> box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
>> been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
>> VO arrow left and right.
>> 
>> Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
>> this is the right one.
>> 
>> http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download 
>> 
>> 
>> This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
>> Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
>> find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
>> toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
>> finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.
>> 
>> Now download Calibre:
>> https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx 
>> 
>> For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
>> line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:
>> 
>> /Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert
>> 
>> Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:
>> 
>> ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf
>> 
>> Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf
>> 
>> Here’s the help file:
>> 
>> Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]
>> 
>> Convert an ebook from one format to another.
>> 
>> input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
>> specified as the first two arguments to the command.
>> 
>> The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
>> output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
>> EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
>> file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
>> must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
>> then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
>> of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
>> that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.
>> 
>> After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
>> conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
>> on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
>> input and output file and then use the -h option.
>> 
>> For full documentation of the conversion system see
>> https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Whenever you pass arguments to 

Nasty mail issue solved!

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hallelujah, hallelujah, finally!!! As far as I can tell, the problem is solved.

I went into mail preferences > accounts > mailbox behaviours, and change the 
Google trash folder to none. The archive folder is set to all mail, so that is 
good. I tested this set up by deleting some mail that I do not care about, and 
all seems to be working fine.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my MacBook Pro

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Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi,

I honestly do not give a dam where the messages go, I just want the darn things 
out of my bloody inbox!! which is precisely where they stay.

It is like an infection of cockroaches or ants in your kitchen. Completely 
unwelcome where they are, but fine outside!

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 12 Oct 2016, at 8:47 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Scott is correct.  gMail accounts do not normally send deleted messages to 
> the Trash Mailbox unless you specifically tell them to.  My question is, does 
> the message that you delete get removed from the InBox, but just is not 
> present in your Trash Mailbox?  If so, it will be in the Archived Mailbox.  
> You can set the behaviour to place a copy in your Trash if you like in Mail 
> Prefs.  In the past though, this caused some sync problems with Google's Mail 
> servers.  This issue may have been fixed, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:28, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
> archives instead?
> 
> I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the appropriate 
> grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than traditional mail 
> servers.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
>> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. 
>> Is there something I do not know?
>> 
>> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
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>> 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

Tim you should be fine as I think the Express version will continue to work 
with what you are doing just OCR documents it just will not work connecting to 
a scanner as I do have the read file option, just no longer have the Twain 
option to use with a scanner.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Its not ridiculous, its business. We all would love to pay a one time fee 
> and get a lifetime of free upgrades. If we worry about the off chance that at 
> some point we will have to pay for an upgrade, we would still be using MS DOS.
> 
>   No, they do not MAKE a version incompatible with new OS upgrades so they 
> can collect upgrade fees. That is faulty thinking.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/12/2016 11:38 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Customer service got back to me and Express no longer works with Sierra you 
>> have to pay $80 to upgrade to pro which is ridiculous, as who knows when 
>> they will decide to make that version incompatible. Very disappointed with 
>> Fine Reader as I believe I paid $60 or more for the Express version. No 
>> wonder people turn to torrents and illegally downloaded software.
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tim, you would think if it works on Sierra than it would work with a 
>>> scanner. Hopefully customer support will get back to me, but they have not 
>>> in the past which is why I would not buy another product from them. Thanks 
>>> again.
 On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is 
 that I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on 
 that part of things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, 
 and I OCR them.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have 
 emailed their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall 
 see, I may just dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade 
 as it is ridiculous if they stopped making the Express version work with 
 mac. If anyone is using the Express version successfully with Sierra 
 please do let me know. Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was 
> then not available so got the Pro version.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
>> running the pro version? Thanks,
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
 or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
 nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese  
> > wrote:
> 
> I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler > 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Since installing 

Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Check your settings in Mail Preferences, Accounts, Mailbox Behaviours.  Under 
the Trash section, make sure it's set to "None", to delete messages 
"Automatically" and that the Archive messages is set to go to gMail - AllMail.  
See if that improves things.  I'm having no issues here.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:58, Traci Duncan  wrote:

I’m glad this has been brought up.  I’m having a heck of a time deleting and 
removing messages from inboxes.  They just keep reappearing.

Any ideas?  It didn’t use to be like this.  BTW, mine is gMail iMap as well.

Thanks,
Traci

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Scott is correct.  gMail accounts do not normally send deleted messages to 
> the Trash Mailbox unless you specifically tell them to.  My question is, does 
> the message that you delete get removed from the InBox, but just is not 
> present in your Trash Mailbox?  If so, it will be in the Archived Mailbox.  
> You can set the behaviour to place a copy in your Trash if you like in Mail 
> Prefs.  In the past though, this caused some sync problems with Google's Mail 
> servers.  This issue may have been fixed, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:28, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
> archives instead?
> 
> I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the appropriate 
> grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than traditional mail 
> servers.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
>> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. 
>> Is there something I do not know?
>> 
>> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Traci Duncan]

I’m glad this has been brought up.  I’m having a heck of a time deleting and 
removing messages from inboxes.  They just keep reappearing.

Any ideas?  It didn’t use to be like this.  BTW, mine is gMail iMap as well.

Thanks,
Traci

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Scott is correct.  gMail accounts do not normally send deleted messages to 
> the Trash Mailbox unless you specifically tell them to.  My question is, does 
> the message that you delete get removed from the InBox, but just is not 
> present in your Trash Mailbox?  If so, it will be in the Archived Mailbox.  
> You can set the behaviour to place a copy in your Trash if you like in Mail 
> Prefs.  In the past though, this caused some sync problems with Google's Mail 
> servers.  This issue may have been fixed, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:28, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
> archives instead?
> 
> I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the appropriate 
> grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than traditional mail 
> servers.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
>> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. 
>> Is there something I do not know?
>> 
>> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[E.T.]

   Its not ridiculous, its business. We all would love to pay a one 
time fee and get a lifetime of free upgrades. If we worry about the off 
chance that at some point we will have to pay for an upgrade, we would 
still be using MS DOS.


   No, they do not MAKE a version incompatible with new OS upgrades so 
they can collect upgrade fees. That is faulty thinking.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/12/2016 11:38 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Customer service got back to me and Express no longer works with Sierra you 
have to pay $80 to upgrade to pro which is ridiculous, as who knows when they 
will decide to make that version incompatible. Very disappointed with Fine 
Reader as I believe I paid $60 or more for the Express version. No wonder 
people turn to torrents and illegally downloaded software.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Thanks Tim, you would think if it works on Sierra than it would work with a 
scanner. Hopefully customer support will get back to me, but they have not in 
the past which is why I would not buy another product from them. Thanks again.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is that 
I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on that part of 
things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, and I OCR them.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may just 
dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is ridiculous 
if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If anyone is using 
the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let me know. Thanks,

On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:

When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then not 
available so got the Pro version.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
running the pro version? Thanks,

On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. > wrote:

Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
nothing. Most frustrating product out there.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese 
> wrote:

I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com


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On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler 
> wrote:

Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,

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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmmm.  Very interesting.  I've used it multiple times over the last few weeks.  
Again, I've just opened existing scanned documents, but have had no issues.  I 
hope it doesn't fail in the next little while.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:38, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Customer service got back to me and Express no longer works with Sierra you 
have to pay $80 to upgrade to pro which is ridiculous, as who knows when they 
will decide to make that version incompatible. Very disappointed with Fine 
Reader as I believe I paid $60 or more for the Express version. No wonder 
people turn to torrents and illegally downloaded software.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim, you would think if it works on Sierra than it would work with a 
> scanner. Hopefully customer support will get back to me, but they have not in 
> the past which is why I would not buy another product from them. Thanks again.
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is that 
>> I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on that part 
>> of things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, and I OCR 
>> them.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
>> their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may 
>> just dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is 
>> ridiculous if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If 
>> anyone is using the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let 
>> me know. Thanks,
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then 
>>> not available so got the Pro version.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
 running the pro version? Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
>> or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
>> nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
>>> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
>>> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
>>> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
>>> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler 
 > wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
 to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
 is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
 read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
 this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
 phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,
 
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Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Scott is correct.  gMail accounts do not normally send deleted messages to the 
Trash Mailbox unless you specifically tell them to.  My question is, does the 
message that you delete get removed from the InBox, but just is not present in 
your Trash Mailbox?  If so, it will be in the Archived Mailbox.  You can set 
the behaviour to place a copy in your Trash if you like in Mail Prefs.  In the 
past though, this caused some sync problems with Google's Mail servers.  This 
issue may have been fixed, but I'm not sure.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:28, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
archives instead?

I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the appropriate 
grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than traditional mail 
servers.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  > wrote:
> 
> Hi there folks,
> 
> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. 
> Is there something I do not know?
> 
> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

Customer service got back to me and Express no longer works with Sierra you 
have to pay $80 to upgrade to pro which is ridiculous, as who knows when they 
will decide to make that version incompatible. Very disappointed with Fine 
Reader as I believe I paid $60 or more for the Express version. No wonder 
people turn to torrents and illegally downloaded software.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim, you would think if it works on Sierra than it would work with a 
> scanner. Hopefully customer support will get back to me, but they have not in 
> the past which is why I would not buy another product from them. Thanks again.
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is that 
>> I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on that part 
>> of things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, and I OCR 
>> them.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
>> their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may 
>> just dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is 
>> ridiculous if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If 
>> anyone is using the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let 
>> me know. Thanks,
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then 
>>> not available so got the Pro version.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
 running the pro version? Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
>> or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
>> nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
>>> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
>>> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
>>> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
>>> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler 
 > wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
 to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
 is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
 read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
 this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
 phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,
 
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Re: Have any VMWare fusion users found workarounds for remapping their caps key now that Karabiner and Seal don't work on Sierra?

[Megan Bening]

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 12:18:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>
> I've taken a read of what's available about the new Karabina Elements, as 
> I'm really keen to get this functionality back. I wasn't able to work out 
> how to create a configuration file that remaps the capslock key. If just 
> one of us could get to the bottom of the way to do this, we could make the 
> config file available. I've written to the developer but haven't had an 
> answer as yet.
>
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology information, eBooks and training
> http://Mosen.org
>
> On 25/09/2016, at 1:17 PM, Grant  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Traci,
>
> I don’t see why not as this is exactly the kind of use case for Karabiner. 
> But I’m going to wait until the Sierra version is a little more mature 
> before giving it a go as it’s only in the pre-release stage and everything 
> has to be edited manually in configuration files. On their website, there 
> is info that you can read through to learn how to build the configuration 
> files.
>
> Grant
>
> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 5:13:02 PM, Traci Duncan <
> our4...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Hi, would this manual remapping work to remap the right command key into 
> right control?
>
> Thanks,
> Traci
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Grant  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Megan,
>
> A new version of Karabiner is being developed for Sierra. Currently 
> however, you have to remap the key by creating a configuration file 
> manually. Here is the info in case you’d like to give it a shot: 
> https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements
>
> Until it’s released, I’ve gone back to using the accent key as my screen 
> reading key as E.T. has suggested. But I really do miss having the caps 
> lock key working as the screen reading key.
>
> Grant
>
> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 10:34:59 AM, Megan Bening <
> mebe...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
> I did a stupid thing and upgraded to Sierra without properly checking to 
> see whether *everything* worked. I guess it never occurred to me that 
> karabiner and Seil would be the things that would break, but there ya go. 
> Ergo, functionally my virtual machines are broken, since now I can't use 
> the Mac's keyboard to interact with JAWS or NVDA, since my caps remapping 
> is gone. I also used Karabiner to remap my mechanical keyboard at work in 
> some very specific ways, since it's a very strange little keyboard and the 
> layout was just very fiddly, so that's not much fun either. But the upshot 
> is, has anyone found another solution that works for remapping? Ideally, 
> something that still allows me to remap caps lock, since I still actually 
> use some of the other commonly remapped keys like the tilde key, etc. I 
> know I can't be the only person who relies heavily on VMWare and Windows 
> along with Sierra, and someone else must be looking for a solution as well. 
> thanks for any advice! 
> Megan 
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Re: Nasty issue in Mail

[Scott Granados]

Hi Brandt, I could be wrong here but doesn’t gmail not actually delete but 
archives instead?

I’m not sure here so take anything I say on this subject with the appropriate 
grains of salt but I do think gmail behaves differently than traditional mail 
servers.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there folks,
> 
> I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said 
> message does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. 
> Is there something I do not know?
> 
> More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
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Nasty issue in Mail

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there folks,

I find that when hitting delete on an email message in the inbox, said message 
does not do what it is suppose to, namely make its way to the trash. Is there 
something I do not know?

More background info, it is in a gmail account, iMap.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Ok, that is new. I did a fresh install of Yosemite a couple of years ago, and 
the wi-Fi connection did not persist.

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> On 12 Oct 2016, at 7:58 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> If he joins the Wifi it will carry over to the recovery partition.  Also, you 
> can get to that screen with voice over by pressing vo m twice, arrowing twice 
> and then down.  This has worked for me as recently as a week ago when fresh 
> installing on a 2011 MacBook Pro.  However, if he already is joined to WiFi 
> before the fresh install it should persist.
> 
> Let me know if you disagree I think I understood the issue correctly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I see only one issue with your steps. Unless you have either some sight or 
>> are pare of eyes to borrow, installing the OS is going to be very hard. The 
>> air does not have an ethernet port, and the wi-Fi network selection screens 
>> do not talk.
>> 
>> The best workaround I can think of in your case, is to build a USB 
>> installation disk.
>> 
>> This is not too hard, the steps is as follows.
>> 
>> Begin by downloading the installer directly from the App store.
>> It will automatically launch the Installer. Go ahead and close that and 
>> insert your USB drive into your Mac.
>> Open up the Disk Utility app and rename the USB drive to “SierraInstaller.
>> I would also recommend formatting the above mentioned USB drive to Mac OS 
>> Extended journal, with a GUID partition scheme.
>> Open the terminal app and copy and paste the following code and press enter:
>> 
>> sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
>> Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume 
>> /Volumes/SierraInstaller --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
>> Sierra.app --nointeraction & Done
>> 
>> I have taken the above steps off a website, so if there is any errors, 
>> replace all \ characters with /
>> 
>> Remember, you are using Sudo, so your mac will ask for your password.
>> 
>> Once everything is complete, you should have a bootable USB drive that 
>> contains the build of macOS Sierra you downloaded. Go ahead and reboot your 
>> computer and hold down the Option key with C.
>> That is all there is to it!
>> 
>> From there you can use the USB installer like you would use recovery mode.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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>> 
>> Phone:
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>>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 4:14 PM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on 
>>> my MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please 
>>> let me know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer 
>>> in iTunes to avoid problems
>>> 
>>> One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
>>> Two. I have backed up my machine.
>>> Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
>>> erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
>>> journaled as the disk format.
>>> Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
>>> reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
>>> Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to 
>>> my liking.
>>> The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and 
>>> seems to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more 
>>> than it used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this 
>>> air with the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean 
>>> install for once.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
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Re: amazon echo

[michael babcock]

http://www.mysticaccess.com/other-audio-tutorials/amazon-echo-mp3-audio-tutorial
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:10 AM, wayne  wrote:
> 
> hello sorry i know this is off topic but has anyone have the link to buy the 
> echo tutorial from mystic-access only i am thinking of buying one and would 
> like to listen to the tutorial before i decide thanks
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amazon echo

[wayne]

hello sorry i know this is off topic but has anyone have the link to buy 
the echo tutorial from mystic-access only i am thinking of buying one 
and would like to listen to the tutorial before i decide thanks


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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

No need to do that, google for “install disk creator”. This simple, fully 
accessible application does it all for you.


> On 12 Oct 2016, at 18:39, Brandt Steenkamp  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I see only one issue with your steps. Unless you have either some sight or 
> are pare of eyes to borrow, installing the OS is going to be very hard. The 
> air does not have an ethernet port, and the wi-Fi network selection screens 
> do not talk.
> 
> The best workaround I can think of in your case, is to build a USB 
> installation disk.
> 
> This is not too hard, the steps is as follows.
> 
>   • Begin by downloading the installer directly from the App store.
>   • It will automatically launch the Installer. Go ahead and close that 
> and insert your USB drive into your Mac.
>   • Open up the Disk Utility app and rename the USB drive to 
> “SierraInstaller.
>   • I would also recommend formatting the above mentioned USB drive to 
> Mac OS Extended journal, with a GUID partition scheme.
>   • Open the terminal app and copy and paste the following code and press 
> enter:
> 
> sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
> Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume 
> /Volumes/SierraInstaller --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
> Sierra.app --nointeraction & Done
> 
> I have taken the above steps off a website, so if there is any errors, 
> replace all \ characters with /
> 
> Remember, you are using Sudo, so your mac will ask for your password.
> 
> Once everything is complete, you should have a bootable USB drive that 
> contains the build of macOS Sierra you downloaded. Go ahead and reboot your 
> computer and hold down the Option key with C.
> That is all there is to it!
> 
> From there you can use the USB installer like you would use recovery mode.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 4:14 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on my 
>> MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please let me 
>> know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer in 
>> iTunes to avoid problems
>> 
>> One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
>> Two. I have backed up my machine.
>> Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
>> erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
>> journaled as the disk format.
>> Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
>> reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
>> Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to 
>> my liking.
>> The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and 
>> seems to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more 
>> than it used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this 
>> air with the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean 
>> install for once.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Tim, you would think if it works on Sierra than it would work with a 
scanner. Hopefully customer support will get back to me, but they have not in 
the past which is why I would not buy another product from them. Thanks again.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is that 
> I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on that part 
> of things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, and I OCR 
> them.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
> their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may 
> just dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is 
> ridiculous if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If 
> anyone is using the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let me 
> know. Thanks,
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then 
>> not available so got the Pro version.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
>>> running the pro version? Thanks,
 On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. > wrote:
 
 Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
> or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
> nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese > 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
>> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
>> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
>> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
>> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
>>> to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
>>> is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
>>> read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
>>> this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
>>> phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Scott Granados]

If he joins the Wifi it will carry over to the recovery partition.  Also, you 
can get to that screen with voice over by pressing vo m twice, arrowing twice 
and then down.  This has worked for me as recently as a week ago when fresh 
installing on a 2011 MacBook Pro.  However, if he already is joined to WiFi 
before the fresh install it should persist.

Let me know if you disagree I think I understood the issue correctly.

Thanks

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I see only one issue with your steps. Unless you have either some sight or 
> are pare of eyes to borrow, installing the OS is going to be very hard. The 
> air does not have an ethernet port, and the wi-Fi network selection screens 
> do not talk.
> 
> The best workaround I can think of in your case, is to build a USB 
> installation disk.
> 
> This is not too hard, the steps is as follows.
> 
> Begin by downloading the installer directly from the App store.
> It will automatically launch the Installer. Go ahead and close that and 
> insert your USB drive into your Mac.
> Open up the Disk Utility app and rename the USB drive to “SierraInstaller.
> I would also recommend formatting the above mentioned USB drive to Mac OS 
> Extended journal, with a GUID partition scheme.
> Open the terminal app and copy and paste the following code and press enter:
> 
> sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
> Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume 
> /Volumes/SierraInstaller --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
> Sierra.app --nointeraction & Done
> 
> I have taken the above steps off a website, so if there is any errors, 
> replace all \ characters with /
> 
> Remember, you are using Sudo, so your mac will ask for your password.
> 
> Once everything is complete, you should have a bootable USB drive that 
> contains the build of macOS Sierra you downloaded. Go ahead and reboot your 
> computer and hold down the Option key with C.
> That is all there is to it!
> 
> From there you can use the USB installer like you would use recovery mode.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 4:14 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on my 
>> MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please let me 
>> know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer in 
>> iTunes to avoid problems
>> 
>> One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
>> Two. I have backed up my machine.
>> Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
>> erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
>> journaled as the disk format.
>> Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
>> reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
>> Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to 
>> my liking.
>> The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and 
>> seems to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more 
>> than it used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this 
>> air with the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean 
>> install for once.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
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Re: How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[christopher hallsworth]

1. Open the App Store from either the Apple menu or the dock.

2. The link for Sierra should be right on the home page of the App Store. So 
click on that.

3. Click the download button.

4. If prompted for your Apple ID, enter the appropriate credentials. It should 
then begin downloading.


> On 12 Oct 2016, at 14:45, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello.
> Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and installing 
> the latest mac os update to my macbook air?
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there,

I see only one issue with your steps. Unless you have either some sight or are 
pare of eyes to borrow, installing the OS is going to be very hard. The air 
does not have an ethernet port, and the wi-Fi network selection screens do not 
talk.

The best workaround I can think of in your case, is to build a USB installation 
disk.

This is not too hard, the steps is as follows.

Begin by downloading the installer directly from the App store.
It will automatically launch the Installer. Go ahead and close that and insert 
your USB drive into your Mac.
Open up the Disk Utility app and rename the USB drive to “SierraInstaller.
I would also recommend formatting the above mentioned USB drive to Mac OS 
Extended journal, with a GUID partition scheme.
Open the terminal app and copy and paste the following code and press enter:

sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume 
/Volumes/SierraInstaller --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ 
Sierra.app --nointeraction & Done

I have taken the above steps off a website, so if there is any errors, replace 
all \ characters with /

Remember, you are using Sudo, so your mac will ask for your password.

Once everything is complete, you should have a bootable USB drive that contains 
the build of macOS Sierra you downloaded. Go ahead and reboot your computer and 
hold down the Option key with C.
That is all there is to it!

>From there you can use the USB installer like you would use recovery mode.

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> On 12 Oct 2016, at 4:14 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on my 
> MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please let me 
> know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer in iTunes 
> to avoid problems
> 
> One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
> Two. I have backed up my machine.
> Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
> erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
> journaled as the disk format.
> Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
> reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
> Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to 
> my liking.
> The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and seems 
> to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more than it 
> used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this air with 
> the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean install for 
> once.
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, Express is working for me with Sierra.  The difference, though, is that 
I've not ever used it with a scanner, so can't properly comment on that part of 
things.  Usually, people have just sent me scanned documents, and I OCR them.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:28, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may just 
dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is ridiculous 
if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If anyone is using 
the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let me know. Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then 
> not available so got the Pro version.
> 
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> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
>> running the pro version? Thanks,
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
 or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
 nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese  
> > wrote:
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> I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
> 
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>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
>> to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
>> is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
>> read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
>> this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
>> phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

Express use to work fine but may they stopped supporting it. I have emailed 
their customer support but I find them to be useless. We shall see, I may just 
dump the product as I am not going to pay for the upgrade as it is ridiculous 
if they stopped making the Express version work with mac. If anyone is using 
the Express version successfully with Sierra please do let me know. Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express was then 
> not available so got the Pro version.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
>> running the pro version? Thanks,
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
 or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
 nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese  
> > wrote:
> 
>  I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler > 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
>> to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
>> is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
>> read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
>> this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
>> phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,
>> 
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Clean install of Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

I plan to do a clean install of Sierra, just to see if there are any issues my 
girlfriend may experience if she does it on her own. For now though, are you 
aware of any? I see no issues when updating from El Capitan or the GM (Golden 
Master), but never done a clean install. Any responses greatly appreciated. 
Thanks!


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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[E.T.]

   When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express 
was then not available so got the Pro version.


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On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
running the pro version? Thanks,

On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
nothing. Most frustrating product out there.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese 
> wrote:

  I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.


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> wrote:

Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys 
running the pro version? Thanks,
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
>> or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
>> nothing. Most frustrating product out there.
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
>>> sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
>>> scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
>>> installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
>>> scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> >> >
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 >> wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
 to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
 is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[E.T.]

   Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
nothing. Most frustrating product out there.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese > wrote:

   I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.


Take Care

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Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express or 
should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still nothing. Most 
frustrating product out there.
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be sure. I’d 
> suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the scanner. If it 
> does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then installing it again. If 
> Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the scanner is being seen by the Mac at 
> all.
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>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
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>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader to 
>> work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby is not 
>> recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to read from file, 
>> no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix this as Abby Fine Reader 
>> customer service is impossible to get on the phone and Canon was useless. 
>> Thanks,
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[E.T.]

   Yep. I restored apps from TM and the next day redid the clean 
install, this time only restoring computer and settings from TM via 
Migration Assistant. Manually installing apps and registering a very few 
of them again was easier.


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On 10/12/2016 9:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You can but you reinstall any difficulties you were having previously.
 Not a bad solution but not the perfect clean sweep I think Phil is
looking for.


On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore > wrote:

After you reformat the drive, can’t you restore from the time machine
backup?  This should eliminate the need to reinstall applications and
files.

Chris

On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Blee Blat > wrote:

That looks sane, just be careful that you don't  accidentally erase
the recovery partition, just erase the HD volume. If you erase the
recovery partition, it will drop you into internet recovery and
you'll then have to start with the OS the machine came with before
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Phil Halton]

That's exactly right, it was my understanding that reinstalling from a time 
machine back up would only reinstall whatever problems you were trying to get 
away from to begin with. I've never done a clean install since lion OS X and 
that's why am doing this now.


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> bad solution but not the perfect clean sweep I think Phil is looking for.
> 
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>> After you reformat the drive, can’t you restore from the time machine 
>> backup?  This should eliminate the need to reinstall applications and files.
>> 
>> Chris
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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>>> That looks sane, just be careful that you don't  accidentally erase the 
>>> recovery partition, just erase the HD volume. If you erase the recovery 
>>> partition, it will drop you into internet recovery and you'll then have to 
>>> start with the OS the machine came with before you upgrade to Sierra again 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[John Panarese]

   I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be sure. I’d 
suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the scanner. If it does, 
you might want to try deleting Abby and then installing it again. If Image 
Capture isn’t working, be sure the scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.


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> Hey all,
> 
> Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader to work. 
> I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby is not 
> recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to read from file, 
> no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix this as Abby Fine Reader 
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> Thanks,
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Re: Adding ports to airport express.

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Anders, let me ask some questions here.

The head end router is in bridge mode, does each airport have a public IP or 
where is the address translation taking place?  Where you’re doing the NAT is 
where you want to have the port forwarding enabled.  Does that make sense?
 


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I have some difficulties getting ssh to work from my Linux box to my Mac mini.
> This has worked before but i guess that port 22 is blocked on all my network 
> devices.
> I have a Compal router or modem which is in bridging mode.
> This is connected to an airport express via ethernet cable.
> he airport express hosts one airport extreme and another airport express.
> They are connected via wifi.
> On my airport devices i have set them to dhcp and nat.
> I have done that to all of the devices.
> So what i am wondering is if i allow port 22 on the airport express connected 
> to the compal modem do i have to allow the ports to be opened on the other 
> airport devices to or does the airport utility fix this?
> Hope you understand this.
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Scott Granados]

You can but you reinstall any difficulties you were having previously.  Not a 
bad solution but not the perfect clean sweep I think Phil is looking for.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> After you reformat the drive, can’t you restore from the time machine backup? 
>  This should eliminate the need to reinstall applications and files.
> 
> Chris
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>> and that would not be fun.
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Phil, this sounds like a sound procedure to me.  No need to reauthorize as  
your computer will identify itself with the same identification again.

You should be good to go.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on my 
> MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please let me 
> know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer in iTunes 
> to avoid problems
> 
> One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
> Two. I have backed up my machine.
> Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will 
> erase and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended 
> journaled as the disk format.
> Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
> reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
> Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to 
> my liking.
> The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and seems 
> to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more than it 
> used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this air with 
> the lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean install for 
> once.
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Adding ports to airport express.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have some difficulties getting ssh to work from my Linux box to my Mac mini.
This has worked before but i guess that port 22 is blocked on all my network 
devices.
I have a Compal router or modem which is in bridging mode.
This is connected to an airport express via ethernet cable.
he airport express hosts one airport extreme and another airport express.
They are connected via wifi.
On my airport devices i have set them to dhcp and nat.
I have done that to all of the devices.
So what i am wondering is if i allow port 22 on the airport express connected 
to the compal modem do i have to allow the ports to be opened on the other 
airport devices to or does the airport utility fix this?
Hope you understand this.
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Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader to work. I 
have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby is not recognizing 
my scanner as it is only giving me the option to read from file, no Twain 
driver option. Does anyone know how to fix this as Abby Fine Reader customer 
service is impossible to get on the phone and Canon was useless. Thanks,

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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[E.T.]

   Another update on this process...

   The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but 
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.


   Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file 
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and 
convert it.


   What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be 
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon. The 
wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should not 
apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the status 
for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing the wizard 
gets me nowhere.


   I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both 
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.


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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

 Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk . This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\some path with
spaces"

Options:
  --version   show program's version number and exit

  -h, --help  show this help message and exit

  --list-recipes  List builtin recipe names. You can create an ebook from a
  builtin recipe like this: ebook-convert "Recipe
Name.recipe"
  output.epub


Created by Kovid Goyal >












On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller > wrote:

Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire
collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my
mac.  2. I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open
them with command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and
either method does not work.  What am I doing wrong here?

On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, 

Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Blee Blat]

He could, but he said he wanted a clean install. If you want to reinstall from 
a backup, you wouldn't need to format the drive, because time machine would 
sync it.

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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Chris Moore]

After you reformat the drive, can’t you restore from the time machine backup?  
This should eliminate the need to reinstall applications and files.

Chris
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> That looks sane, just be careful that you don't  accidentally erase the 
> recovery partition, just erase the HD volume. If you erase the recovery 
> partition, it will drop you into internet recovery and you'll then have to 
> start with the OS the machine came with before you upgrade to Sierra again 
> and that would not be fun.
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Re: How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hello,
It might have already been downloaded by itself, similar to how Apple rolls out 
iOS updates. So if it did, check your applications folder for an app called I 
think “Install macOS Sierra” or something similar.

> I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Scott.
> I thought it was downloading but apparently not.
> I’ll start over and pay closer attention.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> If you’re using the regular version and non beta which I assume do the 
>> following.
>> 
>> First, backup your machine.  Use time machine to do this either with a 
>> removable disk or with a network attached disk.  If you don’t have the means 
>> to do that then at a minimum back up your critical files like images, 
>> documents and so forth to external storage.  Either way make sure your 
>> critical info is stored elsewhere for the upgrade.
>> 
>> Go to your app store and enter in Sierra in the search box, or alternately 
>> look under the featured apps and select sierra.  Quick on download / install 
>> and wait for the file to download.  Once it downloads y you’ll be prompted 
>> to install. Follow the prompts.  You’ll have to periodically turn voice over 
>> back on with a command F5 as things restart and so forth but that’s fine if 
>> voice stops just click command F5 until you hear voice over on.  Follow the 
>> prompts, and once done you’ll be upgraded.  The key is to just follow the 
>> directions the installer issues and you should be good to go.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and 
>>> installing the latest mac os update to my macbook air?
>>> 
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
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Re: iMud (an accessible macOS MUD/MUSH client)

[Tyler Thompson]

For anybody who wants to try dentinmud.org  port 3000 
might be a good place to start. As far as what iMud currently offers over 
telnet Devin pretty much hit the nail on the head, sound support is a big 
feature. iMud also has both a custom scripting language and mildly supports Lua 
as a scripting language so that you can automate some features. So triggers, 
timers, delays, aliases, variables (macros coming soon)

Some minor details exist now to that you may or may not like, for example you 
can log output from the MUD with a timestamp, you can have custom aliases, you 
can gag (or simply not display) certain spammy/repeated text.

There’s a lot of features planned down the road, some are certainly 
accessibility based some are merely useful but I don’t want to promise and then 
not deliver so I’ll keep quiet for now. 

Oh! Last thing, iMud supports several MUD protocols already (MSP, MSDP 
(mildly), MSSP, MCCP(soon), GMCP(soon)) those protocols are used by both iMud 
and the MUD server, which means using only telnet you’re actually missing out 
on features that the game wants to try and supply (MCCP for example is a 
compression protocol good for slow connections)

For those of you testing this out just remember, it’s in beta :) (to start iMud 
accessibility type OPTION+COMMAND+A)

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have a follow up question if it’s ok.  I’ve played lots of muds but only 
> used telnet and the port number.  What do these clients do that say telnet 
> doesn’t offer?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Jim Danley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Tyler,
>> 
>> I am a swift programmer, but never did any mudding before. Can you provide a 
>> host and port so I can play with the beta a little?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim Danley
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Tyler Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Everybody,
>>> 
>>> Quite some time ago I made a MUD client for OS X, it was alright but 
>>> promptly quit working with the advent of swift and apples usual deprecation 
>>> of code.
>>> 
>>> I’ve recently restarted the iMud project (Beta available at 
>>> http://www.asid.us#software ) and have gotten 
>>> to a comfortable enough place. It has the usual, triggers, timers, aliases, 
>>> delays, MSP (provided it’s server-side, client-side coming soon). It does 
>>> support Lua to an extent and it’s all written in swift 3. This client will 
>>> only work on the latest macOS (sierra), this is intentional, trying to 
>>> support legacy operating systems is what got me in trouble lsat time.
>>>  
>>> If anybody is interested in beta testing the client give it a download 
>>> and send me a message to let me know what you think. If anybody is 
>>> interested in helping code iMud I have a plethora of ideas and would 
>>> welcome the help (you must know swift). Finally if anybody is interested in 
>>> learning to code and you think a partially constructed MUD client might be 
>>> a cool way to go feel free to message me.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Blee Blat]

That looks sane, just be careful that you don't  accidentally erase the 
recovery partition, just erase the HD volume. If you erase the recovery 
partition, it will drop you into internet recovery and you'll then have to 
start with the OS the machine came with before you upgrade to Sierra again and 
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Re: How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks Scott.
I thought it was downloading but apparently not.
I’ll start over and pay closer attention.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> If you’re using the regular version and non beta which I assume do the 
> following.
> 
> First, backup your machine.  Use time machine to do this either with a 
> removable disk or with a network attached disk.  If you don’t have the means 
> to do that then at a minimum back up your critical files like images, 
> documents and so forth to external storage.  Either way make sure your 
> critical info is stored elsewhere for the upgrade.
> 
> Go to your app store and enter in Sierra in the search box, or alternately 
> look under the featured apps and select sierra.  Quick on download / install 
> and wait for the file to download.  Once it downloads y you’ll be prompted to 
> install. Follow the prompts.  You’ll have to periodically turn voice over 
> back on with a command F5 as things restart and so forth but that’s fine if 
> voice stops just click command F5 until you hear voice over on.  Follow the 
> prompts, and once done you’ll be upgraded.  The key is to just follow the 
> directions the installer issues and you should be good to go.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and installing 
>> the latest mac os update to my macbook air?
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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My plan for a clean install of Sierra

[Phil Halton]

These are the steps I intend to follow to do a clean install of Sierra on my 
MacBook Air. If anyone sees a problem in these steps would you please let me 
know? For example, is it necessary to first D authorize my computer in iTunes 
to avoid problems

One. I have installed Sierra over the top of my Yosemite OS. 
Two. I have backed up my machine.
Three. I will boot into the recovery mode and, using disk utility, I will erase 
and reformat the "Macintosh HD" partition using Mack OS extended journaled as 
the disk format.
Four. I will quit disk utility, and still in the recovery mode, select 
reinstall OS, And follow the install prompts.
Five. I will reinstall Dropbox and other apps, and reset system settings to my 
liking.
The overlay of Sierra on top of Yosemite actually works quite well, and seems 
to be without problems, except that the machine seems to heat up more than it 
used to. Also, I have never done a clean install since I got this air with the 
lion OS and so thought it might be a good idea to do a clean install for once.


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Re: How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[Scott Granados]

If you’re using the regular version and non beta which I assume do the 
following.

First, backup your machine.  Use time machine to do this either with a 
removable disk or with a network attached disk.  If you don’t have the means to 
do that then at a minimum back up your critical files like images, documents 
and so forth to external storage.  Either way make sure your critical info is 
stored elsewhere for the upgrade.

Go to your app store and enter in Sierra in the search box, or alternately look 
under the featured apps and select sierra.  Quick on download / install and 
wait for the file to download.  Once it downloads y you’ll be prompted to 
install. Follow the prompts.  You’ll have to periodically turn voice over back 
on with a command F5 as things restart and so forth but that’s fine if voice 
stops just click command F5 until you hear voice over on.  Follow the prompts, 
and once done you’ll be upgraded.  The key is to just follow the directions the 
installer issues and you should be good to go.

Good luck.


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello.
> Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and installing 
> the latest mac os update to my macbook air?
> 
> Peace,
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How do I download the latest OS update for my mac?

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello.
Can someone give me step by step instructions for downloading and installing 
the latest mac os update to my macbook air?

Peace,  
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Re: iMud (an accessible macOS MUD/MUSH client)

[Devin Prater]

They offer a way better experience than with Terminal, sound support, and, 
well, a GUI. Probably a lot more, but that's what I like. I'm taking my poor 
Mac to the Apple store today to get Sierra installed. I messed with Linux, 
didn't like it, and now... Anyways, when I get Mac os again, I'll surely give 
this a try. Also, I have been wanting to learn to code, so yes, being able to 
help with this would be amazing. My Mac currently only has 4 gigs of Ram and a 
spinning drive, so Xcode is rather cumbersome on there, although I could use 
Emacs and the Swift mode along with the compile terminal function if necessary. 
While I'm there, I might see about upgrading the Mac's internals so that I can 
have a better experience. 

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I have a follow up question if it’s ok.  I’ve played lots of muds but only 
> used telnet and the port number.  What do these clients do that say telnet 
> doesn’t offer?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Jim Danley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Tyler,
>> 
>> I am a swift programmer, but never did any mudding before. Can you provide a 
>> host and port so I can play with the beta a little?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim Danley
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Everybody,
>>> 
>>> Quite some time ago I made a MUD client for OS X, it was alright but 
>>> promptly quit working with the advent of swift and apples usual deprecation 
>>> of code.
>>> 
>>> I’ve recently restarted the iMud project (Beta available at 
>>> http://www.asid.us#software) and have gotten to a comfortable enough place. 
>>> It has the usual, triggers, timers, aliases, delays, MSP (provided it’s 
>>> server-side, client-side coming soon). It does support Lua to an extent and 
>>> it’s all written in swift 3. This client will only work on the latest macOS 
>>> (sierra), this is intentional, trying to support legacy operating systems 
>>> is what got me in trouble lsat time.
>>>  
>>> If anybody is interested in beta testing the client give it a download 
>>> and send me a message to let me know what you think. If anybody is 
>>> interested in helping code iMud I have a plethora of ideas and would 
>>> welcome the help (you must know swift). Finally if anybody is interested in 
>>> learning to code and you think a partially constructed MUD client might be 
>>> a cool way to go feel free to message me.
>>> 
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Re: Spamfilters.

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Hi!
Sure mate, i tell ya.
/A
> On 12 Oct 2016, at 13:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Let me know if I can be of any help Anders.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> The afternoon is to late for me Scot *lol*.
>> Well i am using crystone so i guess i have to check my settings there to get 
>> rid of it.
>> I take a look and take a plunge into the dark.
>> /A
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 11:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh come on Anders, there’s nothing like a little sex spam to spice up your 
>>> afternoon, hahaha.  (I’m kidding)
>>> 
>>> One way to attack the problem is to make sure you have spam filtration on 
>>> your mail server.  If you administer your own you can add that feature like 
>>> Spam Assassin for example.  If not you can see if your provider has an 
>>> option to engage that could help.  I usually address the problem on the 
>>> server side so not sure what client side things you should do but that’s 
>>> one thing you might look in to.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Is there any good free or payed spamfilters for mac mail?
 I have began to get a lot of sex spam and i really hate it.
 If i did know the ip adress they’re coming from i guess i could use the 
 hosts file in /etc but i can not get the ip adress of a mail?
 Thanks.
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Re: iMud (an accessible macOS MUD/MUSH client)

[Scott Granados]

I have a follow up question if it’s ok.  I’ve played lots of muds but only used 
telnet and the port number.  What do these clients do that say telnet doesn’t 
offer?

Thanks
Scott

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Jim Danley  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tyler,
> 
> I am a swift programmer, but never did any mudding before. Can you provide a 
> host and port so I can play with the beta a little?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim Danley
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Tyler Thompson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Everybody,
>> 
>>  Quite some time ago I made a MUD client for OS X, it was alright but 
>> promptly quit working with the advent of swift and apples usual deprecation 
>> of code.
>> 
>>  I’ve recently restarted the iMud project (Beta available at 
>> http://www.asid.us#software ) and have gotten 
>> to a comfortable enough place. It has the usual, triggers, timers, aliases, 
>> delays, MSP (provided it’s server-side, client-side coming soon). It does 
>> support Lua to an extent and it’s all written in swift 3. This client will 
>> only work on the latest macOS (sierra), this is intentional, trying to 
>> support legacy operating systems is what got me in trouble lsat time.
>>  
>>  If anybody is interested in beta testing the client give it a download 
>> and send me a message to let me know what you think. If anybody is 
>> interested in helping code iMud I have a plethora of ideas and would welcome 
>> the help (you must know swift). Finally if anybody is interested in learning 
>> to code and you think a partially constructed MUD client might be a cool way 
>> to go feel free to message me.
>> 
>>  
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Re: Spamfilters.

[Scott Granados]

Let me know if I can be of any help Anders.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The afternoon is to late for me Scot *lol*.
> Well i am using crystone so i guess i have to check my settings there to get 
> rid of it.
> I take a look and take a plunge into the dark.
> /A
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 11:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh come on Anders, there’s nothing like a little sex spam to spice up your 
>> afternoon, hahaha.  (I’m kidding)
>> 
>> One way to attack the problem is to make sure you have spam filtration on 
>> your mail server.  If you administer your own you can add that feature like 
>> Spam Assassin for example.  If not you can see if your provider has an 
>> option to engage that could help.  I usually address the problem on the 
>> server side so not sure what client side things you should do but that’s one 
>> thing you might look in to.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Is there any good free or payed spamfilters for mac mail?
>>> I have began to get a lot of sex spam and i really hate it.
>>> If i did know the ip adress they’re coming from i guess i could use the 
>>> hosts file in /etc but i can not get the ip adress of a mail?
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
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Re: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Scott Granados]

So what worked for me was John’s excellent suggestion of going to the previous 
recipients window and clearing everything from there.

Seemed to be the easiest way to resolve the problem and it worked.

Thanks

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I know you can rebuild a mailbox database,
> 
> Can you not do the same thing with an address book database?
> 
> I can't say I've looked but possibly a feature like that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2016 11:57 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail
> 
> Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.
> 
> I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem 
> has existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the 
> latest El Cap.
> 
> When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example 
> if I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This 
> is fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as 
> several address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The 
> problem is if I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong 
> rewrite.  I might put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the 
> field.  Seems like there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy 
> relationships or the database needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique to 
> Apple mail.  Is there a way to clear that autocompletion database?  If it’s 
> not that simple how do I find the source of the conflicts?
> 
> Thanks in advance
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Ray Foret jr]

There might be another folder in to which those voices need to be put.  Bear in 
mind I’m using L Capitan and not Sierra and so can be of no help there.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ray. Those voices are there as you say but they don't work with Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Let me look and see a second.
>> 
>> Found it I think.  Here’s the path.
>> 
>> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices  and from that point on, each voice 
>> is assigned its own folder.
>> 
>> So, I’m guessing that the male Siri voice would have this path:
>> 
>> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices/Aaron folder.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
>>> with Voiceover? If so, where?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:
 
 Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices 
 in system prefs is accessibility.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? 
> I understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been 
> renamed, so I can't give a hint as to where to look.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, 
>> Mackintosh HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the 
>> Siri voices there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make 
>> them work with Voiceover.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>>> Utility.
 On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
 Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
 Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there 
 was talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in 
 iOS 9, but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX 
 side, as we thought they would.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com 
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - 
> From: John Panarese
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
> 
>   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
> towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
> Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
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RE: Siri Shortcut

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeha should be  command and space bar held down till it beeps 

 Quickly hitting command and space bar invokes spotlight.

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Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016 8:23 AM
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Subject: Siri Shortcut

Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?

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RE: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

I know you can rebuild a mailbox database,

 Can you not do the same thing with an address book database?

 I can't say I've looked but possibly a feature like that.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2016 11:57 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.

I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem has 
existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the latest El 
Cap.

When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example if 
I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This is 
fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as several 
address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The problem is if 
I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong rewrite.  I might 
put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the field.  Seems like 
there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy relationships or the database 
needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique to Apple mail.  Is there a way to 
clear that autocompletion database?  If it’s not that simple how do I find the 
source of the conflicts?

Thanks in advance

Scott

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Re: The Twitter for iOS Night Mode Feature is Now Compatible with VoiceOver

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Mark,
because I’m not sure if I fully got it a sincere question: in what way is this 
feature important to VoiceOver users? Or do you mean for partially sighted Zoom 
users?
Thanks and all the best
Jürgen


> Am 12.10.2016 um 06:38 schrieb M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am delighted to inform you that the new Twitter for iOS Night Mode feature
> is now VoiceOver compatible in the latest update to the app.  
> 
> Please join me in expressing appreciation to the Twitter developers for
> addressing our request so quickly, in fact, within less than a month.  
> 
> I will paste in my original message on this subject, wherein you will find
> the various contact channels that I recommend.  
> 
> This is truly a marvelous enhancement to an already outstanding social media
> tool.
> 
> Mark 
> 
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> Subject: Please Join Me in Requesting That The New Night Mode Feature,
> introduced in the Latest Version of the iOS Twitter App, Be Made VoiceOver
> Accessible
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Recently, Twitter introduced a new accessibility feature called Night Mode.
> 
> As posted by I-Accessibility, Quote, Twitter for iOS has updated their app
> with a feature called Night Mode that changes the app's color scheme to
> allow for higher contrast text. This feature allows for users to read tweets
> easier by showing text on a dark background with light colored text. ...
> Turning on this feature will instantly switch your device to Night mode, End
> Quote.
> http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/09/24/quick-tip-enable-night-mode-i
> os-twitter-app/
> 
> Unfortunately, as was the case when Moments was introduced, the Night Mode
> feature cannot be accessed when VoiceOver is enabled.
> 
> Please join me in requesting that Night Mode be made available even when
> VoiceOver is enabled.
> 
> Post your request in the App Store as a review, send a tweet to both
> @support and @Twitter, and send your request to Twitter via email at
> supp...@twitter.com.
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> Thank you,
> 
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Re: Spamfilters.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The afternoon is to late for me Scot *lol*.
Well i am using crystone so i guess i have to check my settings there to get 
rid of it.
I take a look and take a plunge into the dark.
/A
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 11:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Oh come on Anders, there’s nothing like a little sex spam to spice up your 
> afternoon, hahaha.  (I’m kidding)
> 
> One way to attack the problem is to make sure you have spam filtration on 
> your mail server.  If you administer your own you can add that feature like 
> Spam Assassin for example.  If not you can see if your provider has an option 
> to engage that could help.  I usually address the problem on the server side 
> so not sure what client side things you should do but that’s one thing you 
> might look in to.
> 
> Good luck
> Scott
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there any good free or payed spamfilters for mac mail?
>> I have began to get a lot of sex spam and i really hate it.
>> If i did know the ip adress they’re coming from i guess i could use the 
>> hosts file in /etc but i can not get the ip adress of a mail?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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Re: Moving to the top of my Email messages list

[christopher hallsworth]

Try option-command-up and option-command-down to move to the top or bottom of 
the list respectively.
> On 12 Oct 2016, at 00:32, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
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> I used to be able to do this by making sure I was interacting with the 
> messages table and then pressing function+shift+vo+left arrow. Going to the 
> bottom of the list could be done in the same way, but with the right arrow 
> substituted for the left. Since upgrading to Sierra, this no longer seems to 
> work. I think I got it to happen a couple of times, but not any more. Is 
> there a new way?
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