Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

My 2017 Air emits the chime, and I didn't have to do anything to get it to do 
so. It sounded the chime out of the box.

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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 2:22 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I still have the chime on my late 2011 Macbook Pro. It's all about the 
> hardware, somewhat. Newer macs don't emit a chime, older ones do.
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 08:15, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Chime on boot was taken away with sierra 10.12.x,
>> 
>> And the touch bar was added in the late 2016 mac book pros I believe.
>> 
>> But not all MBP have to have the touch bar.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 5:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Laptops: When did things change?
>> 
>> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys and 
>> replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what models 
>> were the last to have physical keys?
>> 
>> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
>> 
>> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone recalls 
>> any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
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Apple iOS 11.4 Has A Nasty Surprise

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Re: Mark on the Latest Version of Skype for Mac

[Oriol Gómez]

hI mark:
Have they already made keyboard shortcuts to move from contacts to
message, etc etc?
I find it very, very very clunky to have to tab around as much as I
had to in the version of skype that was released about 2 months ago.

thanks!

On 6/14/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Some time ago, I thought I read on this list that the more recent versions
> of Skype (by Microsoft) were not terribly voiceover friendly.
>
> Well, during the past week, I've had occasion to use the latest version of
> Skype on my Mac and I must say that I am extremely pleased with what
> Microsoft has done.
>
> I find the app completely VoiceOver friendly, easy to use, easy to
> understand, and best of all, containing some accessibility features geared
> towards those of us who are low vision.  For example, I particularly like
> the new color themes one can select to vary display contrast.
>
> Also, I was delighted to discover that the Mac version of the app now
> mirrors the layout of Skype for iOS making it easier, in my opinion, to
> switch between the two platforms.
>
> So, if you haven't used the latest version of Skype for Mac with VoiceOver,
> perhaps you should consider giving it a try.
>
> Mark
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Mark on the Latest Version of Skype for Mac

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Some time ago, I thought I read on this list that the more recent versions
of Skype (by Microsoft) were not terribly voiceover friendly.

Well, during the past week, I've had occasion to use the latest version of
Skype on my Mac and I must say that I am extremely pleased with what
Microsoft has done.  

I find the app completely VoiceOver friendly, easy to use, easy to
understand, and best of all, containing some accessibility features geared
towards those of us who are low vision.  For example, I particularly like
the new color themes one can select to vary display contrast.  

Also, I was delighted to discover that the Mac version of the app now
mirrors the layout of Skype for iOS making it easier, in my opinion, to
switch between the two platforms.

So, if you haven't used the latest version of Skype for Mac with VoiceOver,
perhaps you should consider giving it a try.

Mark

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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No i don’t experiencing this issue.
Some pages as you said is giving these busy things but most of them have 
refreshable content.
/A

> 12 juni 2018 kl. 20:57 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> Are people experiencing this issue running under High Sierra? I can 
> consistently get my El Capitan system to go into busy state from the link 
> list menu, but my HS system generally works except for sites that like to 
> move content around the screen constantly. One other possibility is to bring 
> up the developer menu and try turning off JavaScript some web sites will 
> gracefully downgrade to a more client server functionality when there is no 
> JS others will not load at all. But you should not have issues with 
> JavaScript tools changing the DOM out from under VoiceOVer causing VoiceOver 
> to ask the browser where am I again and again?
> 
> I believe that the Sierra based VO does a better job at ignoring things that 
> don’t have focus of one kind or another, until it needs to look at them.
>  
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I switched to Chrome to avoid this garbage, but it is doing the same thing, 
>> almost as often.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would 
 a sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
 
 Arnold Schmidt 
 
 
 Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
 coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
 few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
 times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
 times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
 continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
 it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
 Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
 same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
 when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only 
 dispise, had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s 
 medicaid form filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, 
 which takes what seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re 
 less than thrilled to help.
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
> significant. 
> Christine
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RE: Laptops: When did things change?

[Simon Fogarty]

Ifyoudo a PRAM reset then it will start back up.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2018 3:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Laptops: When did things change?

Ah, so chime is still available? Just not the default setting? That's good news.

I'm now triple booting, so I'm quite attached to the chime.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Newer ones will chime if you do a Pram reset but by default they turned it 
> off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 7:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Laptops: When did things change?
> 
> I still have the chime on my late 2011 Macbook Pro. It's all about the 
> hardware, somewhat. Newer macs don't emit a chime, older ones do.
> 
> > On 13 Jun 2018, at 08:15, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> > 
> > Chime on boot was taken away with sierra 10.12.x,
> > 
> > And the touch bar was added in the late 2016 mac book pros I believe.
> > 
> > But not all MBP have to have the touch bar.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 5:52 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Laptops: When did things change?
> > 
> > Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys and 
> > replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what models 
> > were the last to have physical keys?
> > 
> > Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
> > 
> > I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone recalls 
> > any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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> > Janina Sajka
> > 
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> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org
> > 
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