Re: Tables, Tables, Tables!

[Oriol Gómez]

hi
you talk about book on pages but do not give any link. or at least I
didn't see it
where are your books? thanks

On 8/2/18, Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi, Anne. Thanks for your reply! I will check out the cursor situation. And
> thank you for reminding me about your book... I forgot that had a section on
> tables. I'll give it a good read.
>
> Kat
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>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 12:29 AM, Anne Robertson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kat,
>>
>> TextEdit is hopeless with tables, but Pages should be fine. If focus is
>> jumping around, make sure that your mouse pointer is set to ignore the
>> other cursors.
>> We go into quite a lot of detail about tables in our book on Pages so that
>> would be a good place to look for more information.
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 29 Jul 2018, at 22:19, Kat DeNicola  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, all. I'm not too optimistic about getting a response on this, having
>>> looked through the archives, but I would be so grateful for any help. How
>>> can one successfully navigate and edit tables in Pages or Text Edit or
>>> both? I find any interaction with tables in both apps, (and yes, I am
>>> interacting), very inconsistent, with the added bonus in Pages of the
>>> focus being thrown to the end of the document when I stop interacting
>>> with a table. Thanks in advance for any tips.
>>>
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Re: Tables, Tables, Tables!

[Kat DeNicola]

Hi, Anne. Thanks for your reply! I will check out the cursor situation. And 
thank you for reminding me about your book... I forgot that had a section on 
tables. I'll give it a good read. 

Kat
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2018, at 12:29 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kat,
> 
> TextEdit is hopeless with tables, but Pages should be fine. If focus is 
> jumping around, make sure that your mouse pointer is set to ignore the other 
> cursors.
> We go into quite a lot of detail about tables in our book on Pages so that 
> would be a good place to look for more information.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2018, at 22:19, Kat DeNicola  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all. I'm not too optimistic about getting a response on this, having 
>> looked through the archives, but I would be so grateful for any help. How 
>> can one successfully navigate and edit tables in Pages or Text Edit or both? 
>> I find any interaction with tables in both apps, (and yes, I am 
>> interacting), very inconsistent, with the added bonus in Pages of the focus 
>> being thrown to the end of the document when I stop interacting with a 
>> table. Thanks in advance for any tips.
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Re: Accessibility of Apple and Google calendars with Voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

I used to use Sign Up Genius for this.  When I started using it six years ago, 
it was very accessible. They did try to complicate things a bit later, and I 
had to re-learn the interface. You know, they were encouraging people to get 
accounts with monthly fees.

In any case, I have not used it for two years now.

Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:52 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> I may shortly have a need to make a calendar available to the public so that 
> people could book slots.  I’ve so far no idea how to do this but I want to 
> start learning.  I wonder if anyone on the list has ever used a calendar, on 
> the mac or Google calendar, to share it with the public for booking slots.  
> I’d obviously want to know how accessible this might be.  I’d have to be 
> absolutely sure that a slot is booked or not and who by.  Any 
> thoughts/solutions?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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iphone se with metro pcs?

[The wolf]

Hello I am currently on my x girl friend's cricket plan

she may no longer be able to pay for my line so I am searching for a 
cell phone provider


there is a plan with metro pcs where you can get a iphone se for free if 
you bring in your number from another carier


how are people's thoughts on metro pcs?

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Re: Facebook Has been disappeared from my Iphone Homescreen, how?

[Phil Halton]

Do you have any folders? Maybe it got dropped into a folder. That’s happened to 
me before.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 1, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> while using my Iphone 6, I usually puts the  facebook app on my page2, which 
> is the 1st page.
> now, i can not find the app at all. do not know how or why, but i can find 
> the app through the spot lite search, but i searched on all my other pages 
> and can not find it.
> i can remove it from the storage and download it again, but need to know the 
> reason. for this to avoid happening again.
> I can assure that no one touched my Iphone.
> Tia
> for any help
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Facebook Has been disappeared from my Iphone Homescreen, how?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

while using my Iphone 6, I usually puts the  facebook app on my page2, which is 
the 1st page.
now, i can not find the app at all. do not know how or why, but i can find the 
app through the spot lite search, but i searched on all my other pages and can 
not find it.
i can remove it from the storage and download it again, but need to know the 
reason. for this to avoid happening again.
I can assure that no one touched my Iphone.
Tia
for any help

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Re: My conclusions after a day of messing around with Word

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Well, that could explain it.  I have 16.15
Best,
Donna

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Donna,
> 
> Do you know which version of Word 16 you have? My insider build is 16.16 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 9:56 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, maybe not.  At least that would explain it.  Hopefully they'll fix in 
>> 2016, bu I've been doing more playing around with Pages, and I think I can 
>> make it work.  And my old PC hasn't croaked yet, so I still have time to 
>> sort things out. Makes me glad I only paid $20 for Office, though. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There were strange cursor movement issues in reading and editing documents 
>>> with earlier versions of Microsoft Word 2016 for Mac, but they’ve been 
>>> largely fixed in recent Office 365 versions. I don’t know whether those 
>>> fixes made it to the stand-alone version, though.
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Reply-To: >> >
>>> Date: Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 19:51
>>> To: >> >
>>> Subject: Re: My conclusions after a day of messing around with Word
>>>  
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>  
>>> It sounds like we're experiencing the same difficulty associating comments 
>>> with their place in the text.  I'm kind of relieved by that - I was 
>>> starting to wonder about what you had said about 365 getting major 
>>> accessibility updates, that perhaps Office 2016 did not get.
>>>  
>>> I don't know what to make of the cursor movement issue.  But every time I 
>>> try to read a comment, it seems to jump to the end of the document.  It may 
>>> well be the result of something I'm doing, but I haven't been able to 
>>> figure out what.  I do what is described in the document you sent me the 
>>> link to: that is VO-arrow over to the comment.  But I'm only seeing the 
>>> first line of the comment.  When I try and arrow down to see the rest of 
>>> it, that's when the cursor takes off.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 29, 2018, at 6:20 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Using the Office 365 version of Microsoft Word for Mac, I’m not finding 
 that the cursor jumps around unexpectedly. I can read comments, but I’m 
 not sure how to move to the place in the text associated with a comment. 
 VO-J doesn’t achieve the desired result.
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Reply-To: >>> >
 Date: Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 16:46
 To: >>> >
 Subject: Re: My conclusions after a day of messing around with Word
  
 Hi John,
  
 I can't share a work document.  I'll try and create a document and share 
 it so that you can see what I mean.  It's really crazy.  Every time I try 
 to read a comment, the comment doesn't correspond to the place where I 
 last was in the text.  For some reason I also keep randomly being moved 
 around in the document, for example, it jumps to the end, even though I 
 did not make it do that.  I really don't understand at all how this could 
 be usable.  My plan is just to use Pages, and then re-export to word.  
 I'll just have to check and make sure all fonts an formatting stick.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
 
> On Jul 29, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
>  
> Donna,
>  
> I don't know if I will have time to play with this, but if you have a 
> document that you can share on Dropbox or equivalent where you were 
> having troubles withcomments/change information then perhaps somebody on 
> list can review. I can't imagine the best solution for you would be to 
> use pages to review updates and then do actual changes in Word.
>  
> Take Care,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:17 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>>  
>> I read this.  It didn't help.
>> 
>> If you know of something I'm missing, please let me know.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 7:34 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> For the use of comments in Microsoft Word for Mac with VoiceOver, 
>>> Microsoft's official guide is at 
>>> 

Accessibility of Apple and Google calendars with Voiceover

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I may shortly have a need to make a calendar available to the public so that 
people could book slots.  I’ve so far no idea how to do this but I want to 
start learning.  I wonder if anyone on the list has ever used a calendar, on 
the mac or Google calendar, to share it with the public for booking slots.  I’d 
obviously want to know how accessible this might be.  I’d have to be absolutely 
sure that a slot is booked or not and who by.  Any thoughts/solutions?

Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: attaching files again

[Pavlo Yefetov]

a other thing is how to navigatte bie thret with voiceover 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Cohn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:19 PM
  Subject: Re: attaching files again


  I’m sorry, but once again I am not sure what you are asking. Your subject 
does not appear to match your message. 


On Jul 31, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Pavel Yefetov  wrote:


Hi there I have a suggestion I have a question for you how to navigate in 
Mac by thread without one message at a time please give me a suggestion how to 
navigate this family affair with voiceover

Отправлено с iPhone

9 июля 2018 г., в 16:24, Pavel Yefetov  написал(а):


  no you must look at the toolbar in your mail app wen you si the atach 
fail press on that botton pavlo yefetov 

  суббота, 7 июля 2018 г., 23:47:13 UTC+3 пользователь Donna написал:
Hi all, 

OK, so I just tried to attach files the way Jason suggested, using 
Command-Shift-A.  Same result.  Rather than showing the filenames, it just said 
Image.  Am I the only one having this problem? 
Cheers, 
Donna


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