Re: How do I navigate in safari

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Ann,

Yes that is what I thought. Hense my contention that VO+U is more powerful 
because of being able to drill down to elements with specific characters.

Thanks,

> On 8 Apr 2019, at 14:03, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Gena,
> 
> I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking. When accessing the rotor using 
> VO-Cmd-Arrow keys, you can’t type anything. You just navigate through the 
> headings, links, etc.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 12:58, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
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>> Hello Ann,
>> 
>> Thanks, I’ll try VO+I it sounds great. I must admit that I didn’t check but 
>> can you use first second letter navigation when accessing the rota via the 
>> arrow keys?
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Re: Can I erase the Daniel voice from my Mac with impugnity?

[Michael Busboom]

I would like to thank both of you for your feedback which, by the way, was 
helpful.

I would have gotten back to you earlier, but after updating my MacBook to the 
latest OS, I was surprised when I discovered that I was not receiving any 
messages in my Gmail account. Apparently, lots of people who use Gmail had this 
problem. Now that things are back to normal, I just wanted to thank you both 
for your feedback.

Mike




> On 04.04.2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> The basic answer is "Yes".  What exactly do you do to manually change it to 
> Alex?  There are normally three places to check.  VO Utility under Speech, 
> the VO rotor and System Preferences under Accessibility, Speech.  Fore the VO 
> rotor, press VO-cmd-shift-left or right to the Voices item, then 
> VO-cmd-shift-up or down through the choices.  In the VO rotor, if 
> Automatically switch is enable, the voice will switch depending on what 
> accent the Mac feels that is required for the specific word.
> 
> All that said, if you do wish to get rid of Daniel, go to System, Library, 
> Speech, Voices, and locate Daniel.  Get rid of both Daniel and Daniel Compact 
> speech folders.  It will require your finger-print or Admin password 
> depending on your Mac model.  The caution is to not get rid of the stock 
> voices.  So, if you wish to get rid of Daniel, only get rid of Daniel and 
> Daniel Compact.  don't forget to empty your Trash.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 4, 2019, at 06:51, Michael Busboom  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I just updated my MacBook Pro to version 10.14.4 today and encountered a 
> problem I had several updates ago.  Although my preferred English voice is 
> Alex,  Daniel keeps inserting itself into my work.  Even when I manually 
> switch to Alex, my MacBook reverts to Daniel.
> 
> Since I have had this problem before and find it particularly annoying, I am 
> wondering what would happen if I erased Daniel, a stock voice of the 
> operating system and any other English languages for that matter from my Mac. 
>  Obviously, I wouldn’t attempt to erase Alex.
> 
> I would appreciate feedback from others.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: How do I navigate in safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gena,

I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking. When accessing the rotor using 
VO-Cmd-Arrow keys, you can’t type anything. You just navigate through the 
headings, links, etc.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 Apr 2019, at 12:58, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
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> Hello Ann,
> 
> Thanks, I’ll try VO+I it sounds great. I must admit that I didn’t check but 
> can you use first second letter navigation when accessing the rota via the 
> arrow keys?

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VoiceOver saying Embedded with Apple Mail

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

When I read email on the Mac, I am using the default mail view. I use 
option+control+j to jump between the messages list and the body of the message. 
Recently, if the message is a reply to another message, VoiceOver adds a third 
option to this VO+j sequence which VoiceOver calls “Embedded. I think it is the 
quoted reply text but it means that VO+j cycles between these three items and 
not just between the message list and the message body.

Does anybody know why this is happening and does anyone know how to get rid of 
this “embedded item so that I can use VO+j to jump between just the message 
list and message body?

Thanks,

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Re: Gmail Going Offline After Upgrading To Mojave 10.14.4

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have had the same issue.
I think i only got some password box to fill in.
Really odd.
/A

> 7 apr. 2019 kl. 23:57 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I noticed this straight after I updated, however I got a dialog box 
> telling me to use Safari to sign into my gmail account next time I opened the 
> lid from my MacBook. And My wife got the same. Interesting how it behaves 
> differently on different machines.
> 
>> On 8/04/2019, at 8:08 AM, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I upgraded my Mac mini last Thursday to Mojave 10.14.4, and my wife did the 
>> same thing to her iMac yesterday, Saturday. We both use Gmail through the 
>> Apple Mail app. I get mail from two different servers, and  I had noticed 
>> that I didn’t get the usual amount of e-mail the past two days, and when I 
>> tried to forward something to my wife’s Gmail, she never got it. So I did 
>> some investigation. We discovered, on both computers, that Gmail had gone 
>> offline, and the only way to get it back was to go to System Preferences > 
>> Internet Accounts. Then we clicked on Gmail and got a message that we needed 
>> to sign in with Safari. I had something like 80+ e-mails backed up, and my 
>> wife had about 20 or 25. So, if any of you use Gmail and may think you’re 
>> not getting e-mail from it, you might want to make sure that you are, 
>> indeed, signed in. The clue I got was in the mail program, when  I tried to 
>> select Inbox from the mailbox list, it said “inbox offline”.
>> 
>> Wanted to share the experience in hopes it might help others if you had the 
>> same issue.
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: voiceover menu key not working

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Nice to hear that.
What is the name of the game you played?
Thanks.
/A

> 7 apr. 2019 kl. 00:13 skrev 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> I thought that The Great Toy Robbery game had screwed up my computer. Wasn't 
> just the m key that wasn't working, but 7, 8, 9, u, i, o, j,k, and l. My 
> sister did a search and found that mouse keys had been enabled. That allows a 
> sighted person to move the pointer and click the mouse using those keys.   
> All we had to do to fix it is hit the "option" key five times, problem solved.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
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Re: How do I navigate in safari

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Ann,

Thanks, I’ll try VO+I it sounds great. I must admit that I didn’t check but can 
you use first second letter navigation when accessing the rota via the arrow 
keys?

I guess I prefer to keep my fingers on the home keys but knowing more ways 
offers greater opportunities for a variety of situations.

Thanks for all you do in sharing the knowledge.

Gena



> On 8 Apr 2019, at 06:38, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Gena,
> 
> I do the same as you, but if I don’t know the type of element I’m looking 
> for, I use VO-i (the item chooser) and type a few letters. I’m also starting 
> to use the new facility of VO-Cmd-Arrow keys to navigate by rotor setting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Apr 2019, at 22:13, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> I prefer VO + U because if you select the type of element you desire you can 
>> type characters to quickly jump to those elements you are looking for. For 
>> example, when I find an item I might wish to purchase on the Amazon site. I 
>> Press VO+U and left or right to headings, then type des and the description 
>> heading is the first one. So I just hit enter and I am ready to read the 
>> items description. Which is a long way down the page. Going by heading from 
>> the top is usually abut 7 headings down. Yesterday I wanted to download a 
>> file and I simply could not find it’s download link. I was reading all this 
>> guff and got quite frustrated. Anyway I had read that the latest version had 
>> 103 in it’s filename. So I VO+U and on links typed 1 and a mass of links 
>> vanished and the first link was the download link I was looking for. Hitting 
>> enter took me directly to the link. Note that it takes the focus to the 
>> link. It does not activate it like some screen readers do.
>> 
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Re: Silly Question

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

This was one of the things that was broken for me. It is now been fixed having 
allowed the system to update. My Brilliant 40 (Old Version) now works again!

Thanks,

> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:41, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Paul,
> 
> In VoiceOver Utility, under General, is the tickbox Allow VoiceOver to be 
> controlled with AppleScript ticked?
>  If not, none of the scripts executed by this kind of command will work.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:26, Paul Parravano > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> I cannot get this to work as you describe, with keyboard commander 
>> activated. I am using Mojave.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 07:18, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard 
>>> Commander. The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been 
 asking Siri for the time if my phone wasn’t handy. 
 Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have more 
 time I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has always been 
 my preference. I’m not going to ask how to do it yet as I’m curious to see 
 if I can work it out. 
 
> On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You 
> also can get the time I believe with option t.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have a silly question. Is there a Voice Over key combination to get 
>> voice over to read out the time or battery level? I Remember on my old 
>> windows computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is 
>> there a similar key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard 
>> help and I have looked in the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t 
>> find anything.
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EarPods Gen 2

[Simon Fogarty]

So the new Earpods arrived today,

So far they feel exactly the same as the 1st gen,
The requested engraving I requested doesn't' appear to be on the case, unless 
they engraved and then put a coating of plastic over it.
For some reason the case feels somewhat more lower quality some how tinny and 
not as strong as the first gen case.

Within 3 hours of unpacking the 50% battery charge in the case had dropped to 
20% and I'd used them for less than 10 minutes for playing around

The connection to the phone is quicker when you put the pod in your ears than 
my 1st gen pods,
The hey siri feature I must admit is great so far,
So easy to just ask the question
It's so easy to not have to tap the pod to get your request happening.

The sound quality seems better but as yet haven't tested both pair of pods 
against each other,

Interesting being able to have 2 sets of pods paired to the same iPhone

The one thing I'm not sure I'm keen on though is when you put the wifi charging 
case on a wireless charging pad,
There is no way to know if the pods are charging,my phone goes ding when on the 
pad charging wirelessly,
If my pods are connected to a cable charging  I can hold the case over the 
phone and get charging related info

Other than the LED on the face of the case, how do we know the pods case is 
charging?

Tomorrow I will put them through their paces while listening to music and not 
to my boss,Metallica  sounds so much better than managers

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RE: booting in to recovery mode?

[Simon Fogarty]

The only way to go back to the original version of your OS is to find a copy of 
the installer package and create a bootable installer USB flash drive and then 
boot to it then use disk utility to eraise the current drive and install from 
the flash drive.

 Otherwise your going to install from the current version on your main 
drive.you could also do the same kind of thing if you found an earlier version 
of your current OS and again install that from your flash drive.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Monday, 8 April 2019 5:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: booting in to recovery mode?

Hi, I thought I'd tried to reinstall the version that came with my mac mini.
I've tried all the keys like, cmd+R, and cmd+Shift+option+R, but it seems to 
want to use the internet recovery.
I can see and image that's 2 gigs, when I look at the drives in disc utilities.

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Re: Silly Question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Paul,

In VoiceOver Utility, under General, is the tickbox Allow VoiceOver to be 
controlled with AppleScript ticked?
 If not, none of the scripts executed by this kind of command will work.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:26, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> I cannot get this to work as you describe, with keyboard commander activated. 
> I am using Mojave.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 07:18, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard 
>> Commander. The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been asking 
>>> Siri for the time if my phone wasn’t handy. 
>>> Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have more 
>>> time I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has always been 
>>> my preference. I’m not going to ask how to do it yet as I’m curious to see 
>>> if I can work it out. 
>>> 
 On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
   No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You 
 also can get the time I believe with option t.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a silly question. Is there a Voice Over key combination to get 
> voice over to read out the time or battery level? I Remember on my old 
> windows computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is 
> there a similar key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard 
> help and I have looked in the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t 
> find anything.
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Re: Silly Question

[Paul Parravano]

Hi Anne,

I cannot get this to work as you describe, with keyboard commander activated. I 
am using Mojave.

Best,

Paul



On Apr 8, 2019, at 07:18, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard Commander. 
The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
Cheers,

Anne




On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been asking 
Siri for the time if my phone wasn’t handy.
Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have more time 
I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has always been my 
preference. I’m not going to ask how to do it yet as I’m curious to see if I 
can work it out.

On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You also 
can get the time I believe with option t.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
Hi all,
I have a silly question. Is there a Voice Over key combination to get voice 
over to read out the time or battery level? I Remember on my old windows 
computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is there a similar 
key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard help and I have looked in 
the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t find anything.
Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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