iPad Models

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Still mulling over the iPadOS news and am wondering what the major 
differences are between the iPad mini and Air models. If anyone has used 
both, please share your thoughts. Thanks.


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New Mac Pro is Quieter Than iMac Pro, Has Optional Wheels, and Was Kept in Top-Secret 'Stealth Enclosure' - MacRumors

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> https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/05/new-mac-pro-has-optional-wheels/ 
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RE: in store training?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Karen,

To find Apple in-store training sessions near you, do the following from an
iOS device:

1.
If you have not yet done so, download the Apple Store app.  This app may
already be installed on your device but, if not, you may get it from the App
Store.

2.
Sign into the app and allow it to access your current location.

3.
Finally, select the, Sessions, tab, located near the bottom of the display
screen.  A list of all upcoming training sessions in the Apple store,
nearest you, will be displayed.

Enjoy,

mark

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Subject: in store training?

Hi everyone,
I recall from  another thread that one of our  members does this in an Apple
store.  what I am wondering  is if there is a list somewhere of locations
that still provide the service?  I may be mistaken, but not all of them do
these  days correct?
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in store training?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi everyone,
I recall from  another thread that one of our  members does this in an 
Apple store.  what I am wondering  is if there is a list somewhere of 
locations that still provide the service?  I may be mistaken, but not all 
of them do these  days correct?

Thanks,
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Re: Email view

[Petrus Tuerlings]

What a shame we can’t do this on IOS, not that I have found a way anyway. I 
don’t think they will introduce it in IOS lucky  13 either. 

> On 6/06/2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Oh man!  Now the pressure's on me not to make any mistakes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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> 
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 14:30, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> I knew there was a reason I didn’t check that box, it actually said; Show 
> newest messages at the top, or words to that effect. So as I’m getting the 
> newest messages at the top anyway I didn’t want to check it and I’m guessing 
> that box had something to do with threading. Now I will follow Tim’s 
> instructions as he’s never put me wrong yet.  I’ll let you know how I get on.
> Petrus 
> 
>> On 6/06/2019, at 8:11 AM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Check the box and you should be good.  You can do this in the view menu in 
>> each folder.
>>  
>> Matthew
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Email view
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my 
>> Mac? At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the 
>> older emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round 
>> but couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and 
>> found the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show 
>> old messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern 
>> view on the native mail app on the Mac.
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Re: Email view

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Well I managed to do it, hope I like the old message on top as I have know idea 
how I did it as the instructions were clear but I don’t  think my brain was 
operating on all cylinders. So I don’t think I can change it back now. 

> On 6/06/2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Oh man!  Now the pressure's on me not to make any mistakes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 14:30, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> I knew there was a reason I didn’t check that box, it actually said; Show 
> newest messages at the top, or words to that effect. So as I’m getting the 
> newest messages at the top anyway I didn’t want to check it and I’m guessing 
> that box had something to do with threading. Now I will follow Tim’s 
> instructions as he’s never put me wrong yet.  I’ll let you know how I get on.
> Petrus 
> 
>> On 6/06/2019, at 8:11 AM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Check the box and you should be good.  You can do this in the view menu in 
>> each folder.
>>  
>> Matthew
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Email view
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my 
>> Mac? At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the 
>> older emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round 
>> but couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and 
>> found the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show 
>> old messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern 
>> view on the native mail app on the Mac.
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Email view

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Oh man!  Now the pressure's on me not to make any mistakes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2019, at 14:30, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

I knew there was a reason I didn’t check that box, it actually said; Show 
newest messages at the top, or words to that effect. So as I’m getting the 
newest messages at the top anyway I didn’t want to check it and I’m guessing 
that box had something to do with threading. Now I will follow Tim’s 
instructions as he’s never put me wrong yet.  I’ll let you know how I get on.
Petrus 

> On 6/06/2019, at 8:11 AM,  >  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Check the box and you should be good.  You can do this in the view menu in 
> each folder.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Email view
>  
> Hi all,
> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my Mac? 
> At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the older 
> emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round but 
> couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and found 
> the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show old 
> messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern view on 
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Re: Email view

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I knew there was a reason I didn’t check that box, it actually said; Show 
newest messages at the top, or words to that effect. So as I’m getting the 
newest messages at the top anyway I didn’t want to check it and I’m guessing 
that box had something to do with threading. Now I will follow Tim’s 
instructions as he’s never put me wrong yet.  I’ll let you know how I get on.
Petrus 

> On 6/06/2019, at 8:11 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Check the box and you should be good.  You can do this in the view menu in 
> each folder.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Email view
>  
> Hi all,
> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my Mac? 
> At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the older 
> emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round but 
> couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and found 
> the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show old 
> messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern view on 
> the native mail app on the Mac.
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RE: Email view

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

 

Check the box and you should be good.  You can do this in the view menu in each 
folder.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Email view

 

Hi all,

I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my Mac? 
At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the older 
emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round but 
couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and found 
the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show old 
messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern view on 
the native mail app on the Mac.

Sent from Petrus' MacBook 

 

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Re: Message Filters

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to 
add the information and elements like. name or email address, then, 
choosing the action which in m case would be, move to folder.


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On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters 
created in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure 
if Apple has improved on that at this point.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)


Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web 
site? I did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than 
doing it in the mail preferences on the Mac.


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Re: Message Filters

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created in 
iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
improved on that at this point.

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On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web site? I 
did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than doing it in the 
mail preferences on the Mac.

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Re: Calendar Question

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   Try just typing a period in the search box.

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On 6/5/2019 11:07 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Thanks, but what if I don't have one? I have no idea what the event is 
called, what date it's on, nothing. That's why I need to just flip 
through appointments only, so I I can find one I don't recognize. For 
instance, I know this person put an appointment in by mistake. They 
typed one letter and pressed ADD, but I had no idea what letter it was. 
Luckily, it was accidentally made for the same day, so it was easy to 
find and delete.



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Hello Steve,

What you can do is enter an element of the event in the Search field, 
do VO-Down Arrow and press Return. Press VO-Cmd-t twice to reach the 
results table where you’ll find all events containing that element.

Cheers,

Anne





On 5 Jun 2019, at 18:12, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Is it possible to display only dates with appointments, or is there 
another easy and accessible way to move among appointments with a 
shortcut key? One of my family members swears they have put 
appointments on our family calendar, I've heard the notifications 
spoken that they've made entries on that calendar, but I can't find 
the appointments on the dates where I know they should be. This makes 
me think they're in another month. But who wants to go traipsing 
through every month and every day to find them?



TIA






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Re: Calendar Question

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Thanks, but what if I don't have one? I have no idea what the event is 
called, what date it's on, nothing. That's why I need to just flip 
through appointments only, so I I can find one I don't recognize. For 
instance, I know this person put an appointment in by mistake. They 
typed one letter and pressed ADD, but I had no idea what letter it was. 
Luckily, it was accidentally made for the same day, so it was easy to 
find and delete.



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Hello Steve,

What you can do is enter an element of the event in the Search field, do 
VO-Down Arrow and press Return. Press VO-Cmd-t twice to reach the results table 
where you’ll find all events containing that element.
Cheers,

Anne





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Is it possible to display only dates with appointments, or is there another 
easy and accessible way to move among appointments with a shortcut key? One of 
my family members swears they have put appointments on our family calendar, 
I've heard the notifications spoken that they've made entries on that calendar, 
but I can't find the appointments on the dates where I know they should be. 
This makes me think they're in another month. But who wants to go traipsing 
through every month and every day to find them?


TIA




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Re: Calendar Question

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Hello Steve,

What you can do is enter an element of the event in the Search field, do 
VO-Down Arrow and press Return. Press VO-Cmd-t twice to reach the results table 
where you’ll find all events containing that element.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 5 Jun 2019, at 18:12, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to display only dates with appointments, or is there another 
> easy and accessible way to move among appointments with a shortcut key? One 
> of my family members swears they have put appointments on our family 
> calendar, I've heard the notifications spoken that they've made entries on 
> that calendar, but I can't find the appointments on the dates where I know 
> they should be. This makes me think they're in another month. But who wants 
> to go traipsing through every month and every day to find them?
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Message Filters

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web 
site? I did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than 
doing it in the mail preferences on the Mac.


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Calendar Question

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Is it possible to display only dates with appointments, or is there 
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First Aid error message

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Can someone tell me what this error is?
I ran first aid on my Mac HD and when reading the results this error was listed:
warning: apfs_num_other_fsobjects (53) is not valid (54)
Thanks,
Rob

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Re: Email view

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Hi,

Two ways.  First make sure that you have the mailbox selected, no message 
should be open,  then go to the Messages menu, down to "sort By", then right 
and down to Oldest at the top.  Second method uses the menu right in the 
Messages table.  So, interact with the Messages table, press VO-shift-left (add 
FN on a laptop), then VO-left once more.  You should hear something about the 
sort order and about enabling a filter.  Interact with that area, VO-space on 
the menu item and select "Oldest on Top".  Note that in both cases, I'm 
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On Jun 5, 2019, at 06:33, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks for your question, Petra. I've somehow stumbled into the opposite
situation and dearly want to have my newest mail back on top! 

Looking forward to the good advice I know is forthcoming from someone.

Janina


Petrus Tuerlings writes:
> Hi all,
> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my Mac? 
> At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the older 
> emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round but 
> couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and found 
> the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show old 
> messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern view on 
> the native mail app on the Mac.
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Re: mac pro pricing

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi   wrote:

> How many are you gonna buy? LOL
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>  
> Has anyone actually seen a pricing structure for the new Mac Pro yet other 
> than it’s base model price?
>  
> I know what the price will be in the USA but I’m wanting to price the fully 
> spec’d version to see what the price in NZ will be.
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Reading app-specific passwords on the Apple-id page

[Daniel Gartmann]

Hello,

I can’t figure out how how to read and copy an app specific password that I 
created to put into Outlook for Windows.

I click on the Show History link, or that is the Danish text translated into 
English since I am in Denmark.
 I get the time and the label for when I created the password, but wwhen I 
click on it, I can’t find the password to copy.

I am using JAWS with GoogleChrome.

Anybody had success doing that?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel

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Re: iCloud accounts for personal and business

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Simon, yes that’s me, thanks so much for this information.

Ramy moustafa saber
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
>  
> A few days back someone was asking about sepparating their personal contacts 
> and business contacts in iCloud,
>  
> Just listening now to the wwdc keynote from yesterday and they are putting 
> this feature in to IOS 13 which ok wont help you now but will be
> Available later in the year.
>  
> The ability to have a personal icloud account and a business icloud account 
> on the same device.
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> You could do some reading about it on the apple website.
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RE: mac pro pricing

[richring]

How many are you gonna buy? LOL

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:38 AM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: mac pro pricing

 

Hi List,

 

Has anyone actually seen a pricing structure for the new Mac Pro yet other than 
it’s base model price?

 

I know what the price will be in the USA but I’m wanting to price the fully 
spec’d version to see what the price in NZ will be.

 

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Re: Email view

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for your question, Petra. I've somehow stumbled into the opposite
situation and dearly want to have my newest mail back on top! 

Looking forward to the good advice I know is forthcoming from someone.

Janina


Petrus Tuerlings writes:
> Hi all,
> I was just wondering how I can change the way my emails are listed on my Mac? 
> At the moment I have the newest email at the top of the list and the older 
> emails at the bottom. I was thinking I’d try it the other way round but 
> couldn’t find where to change it. I did go in the mail Preferences and found 
> the view menu, and there was a check box that said something like show old 
> messages at the top tick box and it was not ticked. I am using modern view on 
> the native mail app on the Mac.
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Re: iPadOS

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anders,

I've had an index Everest for years, and I never knew they did this.  How does 
it work?  Can you configure parameters such as line length, formatting etc?
TIA,
Donna

> On Jun 5, 2019, at 6:21 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I guess this depends on what embosser you have.
> THe Index braille embossers do translate at their own without software.
> So the brailetranslation is built-in.
> Therefor i can use it without duxbury on the Mac.
> But it needs a driver and i guess and hope that Index Braille will create one 
> for the IpadOs.
> /A
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>> 5 juni 2019 kl. 02:52 skrev Erik Heil :
>> 
>> Hello there
>> Well certainly, The new iPad iOS does have a lot to offer new iPads. 
>> However, dance your question, I believe there are two ways to get this done, 
>> i.e. and boss braille. However, work to do this is ongoing. I’m not sure, 
>> but if iPadOS runs in implementation of CUPs, that shouldn’t be very hard to 
>> do. If you have a custom PPD filter written for the printer, this actually 
>> can be done. However, printers now do you have Wi-Fi support, so this in 
>> fact it may be easier. What I’m worried about is the translation of braille 
>> documents. And I’m not sure as to what capabilities the iPadOS actually has 
>> to handle that.
>> 
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>>> On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Considering what is to come this fall for iPads (sadly my model is not 
>>> supported), and the potential to use one as a laptop, one question I have 
>>> is...is it possible to create and emboss braille documents?
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.


These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can
get packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might
just be the ticket.

Janina

'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> is what I have.
> 
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> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> > there or not.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> >> models still have the boot chime?
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Simon Fogarty writes:
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> >>> 
> >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> >>> MacBookAir,
> >>> 
> >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >>> spec'ed out completely,
> >>> 
> >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >>> range?
> >>> 
> >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
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> >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm unaware of grub being used as the primary boot loader. I know it can
be a secondary loader, as can the systemd loader.

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Can Grub be installed on a recent Mac? If so, it might be your solution.
> 
> I know their UEFI implementation is non-standard, but it's still a worthwhile 
> question.
> 
> On 6/3/19, 14:37, "'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine what that could be.
> 
> I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
> in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.
> 
> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some 
> Apple System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's 
> probably some firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to 
> know it.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways 
> and have wondered why the removed it 
> > 
> > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model 
> and it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new 
> release models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > > 
> > > Later...
> > > 
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Jamf Certified Associate
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> > > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > > models still have the boot chime?
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > >> Hi Listers,
> > >> 
> > >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> MacBookAir,
> > >> 
> > >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> available 2017 version of the mac book air,
> > >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok 
> machine if spec'ed out completely,
> > >> 
> > >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
> apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
> pro range?
> > >> 
> > >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
> can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac 
> book line?
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Re: iPadOS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I guess this depends on what embosser you have.
THe Index braille embossers do translate at their own without software.
So the brailetranslation is built-in.
Therefor i can use it without duxbury on the Mac.
But it needs a driver and i guess and hope that Index Braille will create one 
for the IpadOs.
/A

> 5 juni 2019 kl. 02:52 skrev Erik Heil :
> 
> Hello there
> Well certainly, The new iPad iOS does have a lot to offer new iPads. However, 
> dance your question, I believe there are two ways to get this done, i.e. and 
> boss braille. However, work to do this is ongoing. I’m not sure, but if 
> iPadOS runs in implementation of CUPs, that shouldn’t be very hard to do. If 
> you have a custom PPD filter written for the printer, this actually can be 
> done. However, printers now do you have Wi-Fi support, so this in fact it may 
> be easier. What I’m worried about is the translation of braille documents. 
> And I’m not sure as to what capabilities the iPadOS actually has to handle 
> that.
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>>  Considering what is to come this fall for iPads (sadly my model is not 
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>> is...is it possible to create and emboss braille documents?
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mac pro pricing

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

Has anyone actually seen a pricing structure for the new Mac Pro yet other than 
it's base model price?

I know what the price will be in the USA but I'm wanting to price the fully 
spec'd version to see what the price in NZ will be.

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