date:20191224


   Brad, are you using iCloud Drive by chance?

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/24/2019 6:09 PM, Bradford Snyder wrote:

I don’t believe this is true.
I have set-up rules in the Mail App on my desktop Mac mini, and these rules 
show up on my MacBook Air.
Then when I got my new MacBook Pro in August, the same rules showed up on that 
machine too.

- Brad -



On Dec 24, 2019, at 19:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Yes but rules set locally will not be applied to other devices.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/24/2019 4:35 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

What global rule were you needing? Is it not possible to add rules to the mail 
app on the Mac itself?
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Hi Jason,

 

It is fairly straight forward for the braille display.  VMWare allows you to 
determine where a connected device should go, ie. Mac or Windows and you can 
change this.  I’d say it isn’t the sort of thing that you can just flip each 
time you move between the virtual environment and Mac but if you are going to 
be working in one environment for more than a bit, you just change the option.

 

As far as the license, when you use VMWare’s easy installer, there is an option 
to enter a product key.  You can also skip that option and still pick what 
version of Windows you want to install such as Home or Professional.  If you 
skip the product key during install, it is no different from doing so during a 
full Windows installation.  There are options within Windows for activation 
after the OS is fully installed.

 

 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 7:09 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

How are braille displays handled when using a virtual machine under Mac OS? Can 
you easily change which operating system is controlling the braille display?

 

Also, as a side question, with either a virtual machine or Bootcamp, how is the 
Windows license obtained? Do you purchase it somewhere and enter a product key?

 

I’ve read somewhere that Linux won’t run on newer Mac systems that have the T2 
security chip, so having all three operating systems installed together may not 
be viable, unless you’re using virtual machines of course.

 

My personal solution is to have a Lenovo laptop that runs both Windows and 
Linux, and a Mac that is just for Mac OS. This isn’t ideal, and I may 
reconsider if and when I upgrade my Mac.

 

From: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 13:00
To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto

 

On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com   
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at  

 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries < 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries <  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.





On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, <  ke...@kellford.com> < 
 ke...@kellford.com> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if

Re: Not for the faint hearted

2019-12-24 Thread 'Rob' via MacVisionaries


Hi,

I have not tried this, but I copied the following line from a Apple 
support article:


Start quote

If you use iCloud Drive, your rules are available on your other Mac 
computers that have iCloud


End quote.

So this means adding mail rules on your Mac should carry over to all 
your devices connected to iCloud.



On 12/24/2019 6:29 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello.

I found how to change the global rules in mail. It took me over five hours to 
do it. The website is just as bad as it was three or four years ago. I don’t 
know how I did it, trial and error. I wish Apple would fix it.

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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Hi Pete,

 

I made these key assignments under the general preferences in the keyboard 
settings.  There are several keyboard profiles.  I modified the existing 
Windows 10 profile.

 

In my case I assigned the key to the left of the 1 key on the keyboard to be 
caps lock.  I also assigned ctrl+back slash to what Fusion called menu.  This 
is the equivalent of the application or context key on the keyboard.

 

Right now the computer I’m using is actually running Windows in Boot Camp so 
I’m not able to give the exact steps from memory of making the key assignments. 
 There are from and to fields and options on both if you want modifiers.  If 
you try this and run into an issue let me know.

 

For all, one other thing I like about Fusion is actually using the program as 
the name implies in Fusion mode.  When you choose that option from the View 
menu, your Mac and Windows apps are all available when you use Command+tab to 
switch apps on the Mac.  For me this works great and the Windows screen reader 
kicks in each time you are in a Windows window.

 

Kelly

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto





On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com   
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at  

 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries < 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries <  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.






On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, <  ke...@kellford.com> < 
 ke...@kellford.com> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Not for the faint hearted

2019-12-24 Thread Bradford Snyder

I don’t believe this is true.
I have set-up rules in the Mail App on my desktop Mac mini, and these rules 
show up on my MacBook Air.
Then when I got my new MacBook Pro in August, the same rules showed up on that 
machine too.

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  Yes but rules set locally will not be applied to other devices.

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> What global rule were you needing? Is it not possible to add rules to the 
> mail app on the Mac itself?
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Re: Not for the faint hearted


   Yes but rules set locally will not be applied to other devices.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

How are braille displays handled when using a virtual machine under Mac OS? Can 
you easily change which operating system is controlling the braille display?

 

Also, as a side question, with either a virtual machine or Bootcamp, how is the 
Windows license obtained? Do you purchase it somewhere and enter a product key?

 

I’ve read somewhere that Linux won’t run on newer Mac systems that have the T2 
security chip, so having all three operating systems installed together may not 
be viable, unless you’re using virtual machines of course.

 

My personal solution is to have a Lenovo laptop that runs both Windows and 
Linux, and a Mac that is just for Mac OS. This isn’t ideal, and I may 
reconsider if and when I upgrade my Mac.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Pete De 
Vasto 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 13:00
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto



On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.




On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15,   wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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iMessages on the iPhone

2019-12-24 Thread Petrus Tuerlings

Hi all,
This morning I wanted to send a group iMessage to all of my family members that 
have iPhones. Last year I was able to open a new message, double tap on the Add 
contacts button, go down the list and select each person in my contact list 
that I wanted to message and it was done. If the person had more than one 
number it would let me tidy it up after I’d selected each person. This morning 
I opened the new message and tapped on the add contact button, selected the 
first person and it closed my contacts and went back to the message. I had to 
double tap the add contact button each time I wanted to add someone. This is a 
lot slower and not sure if it is intentional or if it is a bug?
Hope you all have a happy Christmas and fun new year.
Petrus 
Sent from Petrus' MacBook 

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Not for the faint hearted

2019-12-24 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

Hello.

I found how to change the global rules in mail. It took me over five hours to 
do it. The website is just as bad as it was three or four years ago. I don’t 
know how I did it, trial and error. I wish Apple would fix it.

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Thanks for that point w/r Time Machine.

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Re: Anyone using Word on an iPhone or iPad?

   Hey that is great. I didn't know that Writer has RTF support. I 
already have this app, had forgotten about it. Now I will definitely try 
it. And maybe become an esteemed writer too. :)


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On 12/24/2019 10:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,

Yes, that is the developer.

I also found another possible solution. I just downloaded Voice Dream Writer. I 
never really thought about it, because I don’t need that kind of writing 
support, but it does open and edit RTF files. It also has an option to export 
to Word, though it says it’s experimental, so I have no idea how good it is. 
Anyway, if you’re interested, it’s currently $4.99, which I’m pretty sure is a 
very good sale price. I think it’s usually about $10, or maybe even $20. Just 
something to think about.
Cheers,
Donna
.

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Donna,
   Think I found it, if the developer is Nam Le. Will install it soon.

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On 12/23/2019 10:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I was surprised by that too. The name of the app is text editor. It’s $.99. 
Pretty simple, but it does let you read an edit.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


   You made progress. What is the exact name of the paid app? I may want to 
give it a go too. I am somewhat surprised that there is not a native TextEdit 
for iOS.

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On 12/23/2019 5:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi, ET,
I download it yesterday. I found two apps with similar names, one was free, and 
one was $.99. I downloaded them both. The free version seemed to show a lot of 
the text coding, so I didn’t really care for that. The $.99 version seems to 
give me a nice view of my RTF document and it looks very workable. Based on 
what I’ve seen so far I recommend it. I imagine that will be my solution to 
this problem.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 11:30 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Donna,
   Does TextEditor work for you? I have not had a chance to really work with it 
but it is in iCloud Drive so is accessible to Windows, Mac and iDevices.

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On 12/22/2019 7:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi Gabe,
Thank you for the suggestion. What I’m trying to avoid is having to export the 
file back-and-forth between pages and word multiple times. I switch 
back-and-forth frequently between Mac iPad and PC, so I’m trying to minimize 
the number of times I have to convert the file to one from one format to 
another. Thanks anyway, though.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:


Hi Donna,

I've never tried exporting a file from my phone but in Pages on the Mac you can 
export a file to many different formats including MS Word. This is what I use 
any time I'm going to need to work on a file using a computer or other device 
that supports Word files but not Pages. I know it's a bit more tedious than 
just being able to creat the file in Word in the first place but once you get 
used to it it really only takes a few extra seconds.

Gabe



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On Dec 22, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

How irritating! AmI really the only person in the world who wants to work on a 
document on a PC a Mac and an iPad, but doesn’t want to pay for office 365? 
Can’t tell you how much I hate Microsoft right now. That said, I suppose Apple 
could create a version of pages for windows, but since that has never happened, 
it doesn’t seem likely to in the future. Oh well, thanks for responding.

Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

There is not a stand alone version of MS Word for iOS.
The only way to use it is to sign-in with a paid Office365 account UserID and 
password.  Access to the iOS apps is part of the subscription package.

HTH

/- Brad -/




On Dec 22, 2019, at 14:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone using MS Word on their iPhone or iPad? I just downloaded it, and it 
keeps prompting me to sign in to edit documents. I can’t believe Microsoft will 
give me access to Office 365 for free, so do not want to create an account. 
Does anyone know if you can download a stand-alone version of Word for iPad or 
iPhone?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: Anyone using Word on an iPhone or iPad?

2019-12-24 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hey ET,

Yes, that is the developer.

I also found another possible solution. I just downloaded Voice Dream Writer. I 
never really thought about it, because I don’t need that kind of writing 
support, but it does open and edit RTF files. It also has an option to export 
to Word, though it says it’s experimental, so I have no idea how good it is. 
Anyway, if you’re interested, it’s currently $4.99, which I’m pretty sure is a 
very good sale price. I think it’s usually about $10, or maybe even $20. Just 
something to think about.
Cheers,
Donna
. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:45 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
>   Think I found it, if the developer is Nam Le. Will install it soon.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 12/23/2019 10:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I was surprised by that too. The name of the app is text editor. It’s $.99. 
>> Pretty simple, but it does let you read an edit.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    You made progress. What is the exact name of the paid app? I may want 
>>> to give it a go too. I am somewhat surprised that there is not a native 
>>> TextEdit for iOS.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 12/23/2019 5:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hi, ET,
 I download it yesterday. I found two apps with similar names, one was 
 free, and one was $.99. I downloaded them both. The free version seemed to 
 show a lot of the text coding, so I didn’t really care for that. The $.99 
 version seems to give me a nice view of my RTF document and it looks very 
 workable. Based on what I’ve seen so far I recommend it. I imagine that 
 will be my solution to this problem.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Dec 22, 2019, at 11:30 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
>   Does TextEditor work for you? I have not had a chance to really work 
> with it but it is in iCloud Drive so is accessible to Windows, Mac and 
> iDevices.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 12/22/2019 7:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi Gabe,
>> Thank you for the suggestion. What I’m trying to avoid is having to 
>> export the file back-and-forth between pages and word multiple times. I 
>> switch back-and-forth frequently between Mac iPad and PC, so I’m trying 
>> to minimize the number of times I have to convert the file to one from 
>> one format to another. Thanks anyway, though.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Dec 22, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Gabe Griffith  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I've never tried exporting a file from my phone but in Pages on the Mac 
>>> you can export a file to many different formats including MS Word. This 
>>> is what I use any time I'm going to need to work on a file using a 
>>> computer or other device that supports Word files but not Pages. I know 
>>> it's a bit more tedious than just being able to creat the file in Word 
>>> in the first place but once you get used to it it really only takes a 
>>> few extra seconds.
>>> 
>>> Gabe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 How irritating! AmI really the only person in the world who wants to 
 work on a document on a PC a Mac and an iPad, but doesn’t want to pay 
 for office 365? Can’t tell you how much I hate Microsoft right now. 
 That said, I suppose Apple could create a version of pages for 
 windows, but since that has never happened, it doesn’t seem likely to 
 in the future. Oh well, thanks for responding.
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> There is not a stand alone version of MS Word for iOS.
> The only way to use it is to sign-in with a paid Office365 account 
> UserID and password.  Access to the iOS apps is part of the 
> subscription package.
> 
> HTH
> 
> /- Brad -/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2019, at 14:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone using MS

Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Pete De Vasto

Hi Kelly,

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

Thanks for any help,
Pete De Vasto

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
> Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it 
> prompts you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine 
> boots into Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.
>  
> In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But 
> I will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
> device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device 
> around for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs 
> for Boot Camp.
>  
> That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
> use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
> fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
> their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a 
> different key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
> http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/
>  
> .
>  
> I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
> some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
> ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.
>  
> I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
> under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
> responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.
>  
> Kelly
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>  
> Hi There.
>  
> Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I 
> am wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
>> mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
>> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
>> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the 
>> different screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such 
>> were released but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were 
>> updates from Apple.
>>  
>> Kelly
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,

I  still noticed this on my Mac mini after an update all though not as bad.  

Matthew



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> Hi,
>  
> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

   Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, 
you need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder 
in Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you 
use Time Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the 
whole folder every time you do something in Windows.


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E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
seeming a bit frightening?


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Re: Anyone using Word on an iPhone or iPad?

Donna,
Think I found it, if the developer is Nam Le. Will install it soon.

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I was surprised by that too. The name of the app is text editor. It’s $.99.
Pretty simple, but it does let you read an edit.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

You made progress. What is the exact name of the paid app? I may want to
give it a go too. I am somewhat surprised that there is not a native TextEdit
for iOS.

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On 12/23/2019 5:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi, ET,
I download it yesterday. I found two apps with similar names, one was free, and
one was $.99. I downloaded them both. The free version seemed to show a lot of
the text coding, so I didn’t really care for that. The $.99 version seems to
give me a nice view of my RTF document and it looks very workable. Based on
what I’ve seen so far I recommend it. I imagine that will be my solution to
this problem.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 11:30 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Donna,
Does TextEditor work for you? I have not had a chance to really work with it
but it is in iCloud Drive so is accessible to Windows, Mac and iDevices.

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On 12/22/2019 7:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi Gabe,
Thank you for the suggestion. What I’m trying to avoid is having to export the
file back-and-forth between pages and word multiple times. I switch
back-and-forth frequently between Mac iPad and PC, so I’m trying to minimize
the number of times I have to convert the file to one from one format to
another. Thanks anyway, though.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

Hi Donna,

I've never tried exporting a file from my phone but in Pages on the Mac you can
export a file to many different formats including MS Word. This is what I use
any time I'm going to need to work on a file using a computer or other device
that supports Word files but not Pages. I know it's a bit more tedious than
just being able to creat the file in Word in the first place but once you get
used to it it really only takes a few extra seconds.

Gabe

Sent from Gabe's iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

How irritating! AmI really the only person in the world who wants to work on a
document on a PC a Mac and an iPad, but doesn’t want to pay for office 365?
Can’t tell you how much I hate Microsoft right now. That said, I suppose Apple
could create a version of pages for windows, but since that has never happened,
it doesn’t seem likely to in the future. Oh well, thanks for responding.

Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

There is not a stand alone version of MS Word for iOS.
The only way to use it is to sign-in with a paid Office365 account UserID and
password. Access to the iOS apps is part of the subscription package.

HTH

/- Brad -/

On Dec 22, 2019, at 14:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone using MS Word on their iPhone or iPad? I just downloaded it, and it
keeps prompting me to sign in to edit documents. I can’t believe Microsoft will
give me access to Office 365 for free, so do not want to create an account.
Does anyone know if you can download a stand-alone version of Word for iPad or
iPhone?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp


   Probably the behind the scenes workings that Boot Camp requires.

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On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
seeming a bit frightening?


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E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp


   50gigs or more depending on what you install into Windows.

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On 12/24/2019 8:24 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Jonathan,
Okay, you anticipated and answered my follow-on question about using the 
same files. With Boot Camp, they are separate and I suspect could only 
share using iCloud, or an external media to upload and download, and 
with VMWare Fusion I can read/write files using either OS as long as the 
files are specifically shared as you have done.


Unless VMWare Fusion uses a whole lot more disk space, it sounds like 
the right alternative for me.



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Jonathan,
Okay, you anticipated and answered my follow-on question about using the same 
files. With Boot Camp, they are separate and I suspect could only share using 
iCloud, or an external media to upload and download, and with VMWare Fusion I 
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Unless VMWare Fusion uses a whole lot more disk space, it sounds like the right 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Dave,
NO, BootCamp is a separate boot for Windows. If you want to switch between 
Windows and Mac without shutting down you should use VMWare Fusion. With 
VMWare, you can even specify that a certain file type should be opened by a 
Windows application and if you open that file type on your Mac, Fusion will 
start Windows and then start the appropriate program. There are also lots of 
options to make parts of your Mac disk available to Windows. I personally have 
things set up so that my Documents and Downloads are shared between Windows and 
Mac so my Windows documents are in z:\Documents.
Jonathan C. Cohn

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Another Boot Camp question: To run Windows, do you need to shut down Mac OS 
> and then launch Windows from the log on greeting section? Or can you switch 
> back/forth between the two without rebooting?
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Another Boot Camp question: To run Windows, do you need to shut down Mac OS and 
then launch Windows from the log on greeting section? Or can you switch 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

Thanks so much.

I’ll read what you sent and thanks again.

Kawal.

> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:35,   wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
> Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it 
> prompts you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine 
> boots into Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.
>  
> In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But 
> I will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
> device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device 
> around for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs 
> for Boot Camp.
>  
> That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
> use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
> fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
> their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a 
> different key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
> http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/
>  
> .
>  
> I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
> some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
> ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.
>  
> I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
> under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
> responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.
>  
> Kelly
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>  
> Hi There.
>  
> Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I 
> am wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
>> mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
>> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
>> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the 
>> different screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such 
>> were released but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were 
>> updates from Apple.
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.





On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > 
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

Hi There.

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

Thank you.

Kawal.

> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15,   wrote:
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> Hi,
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> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
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