Can't add bookmarks in latest Safari 15.4

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just wanted to check or ask you to check whether you are able to add new 
bookmarks in Safari latest 15.4.  I don’t seem to be able to bookmark any pages 
at all regardless which OS on my mac I use: Big Sur, Catalina, Monterey: the 
same thing happens.  Can’t bookmark anything.

Thanks, Andrew

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cannot download Vivaldi

[Raymond Foret Jr]

To the person who informed me that they use Vivaldi:  I tried to download it 
but Safari tells me that a secure connection cannot be established to the 
server.  I did try iCab but my power company doesn’t like that browser and no 
matter what identity I try, it doesn’t work.  Any others?


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

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Re: Command L not working in Safari

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Only thing that comes to mind is if command-l has been assigned some other 
function by a safari extension or in system preferences keyboard. 

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> On Apr 19, 2022, at 8:31 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I am helping  someone with Safari and they have indicated that they cannot 
> do Command L to bring up the address bar. I am not sure why. They are using 
> Monterey.
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Re: A question about showind audio description in a group setting?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

there is the option of spectrum access: The catalog is a bit limited but it 
works just like the technology in broadway shows but uses smartphones to add 
captions or audio description.

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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> The latter could be done with a Mac. Simple have the output set to the 
> projector and VO set to the headset and you’re good. As for the Share play, 
> not with a single device. You will need to devices that can do Face-time. 
> Then one device needs to be the one playing the video. However, I have not 
> played with this so I do not know if the DVS will work on one device and not 
> the other so you will want to experiment ahead of time.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 22:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> hmm could a single device running share play work if one was channeling the 
>> film audio through a control surface of some kind or a sound mixer? say one  
>> channel for the track of the film with audio description, and one track with 
>> the main track?
>> Slightly different question, if there is no audio description, but subtitles 
>> is there a way for the subtitles to be spoken, again through a headset 
>> paired in, instead of the main sound for the rest of the room?
>> Thanks for helping me answer their questions.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
>>> It cannot be done as the audio description is part of the same track as the 
>>> movie. It might be possible with Share-Play, but that would. mean everyone 
>>> has to be on there own device.
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2022, at 20:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 making that subject clear is a challenge.
 Here is the situation, one of my co-workers is going to be showing  films 
 as apart of a series where only a few members need audio description.
 Think of well like going to the movies, without the special equipment 
 provided  by the company.
 How would you manage the process?
 Is there  software that helps filter, say if rented on YouTube, and you 
 desire spoken subtitles?
 If my question is confusing let me know,
 Karen
 
 
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Frndly TV

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Has anyone tried this streaming service on Apple TV or iOS? Is it usable?

https://try.frndlytv.com/channels/gac-family?msclkid=96a016476c2d1984340c741
8370a995e

_source=bing_medium=cpc_campaign=Search%20Brand_term=friendl
y%20tv_content=Brand%20(Phrase)

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Command L not working in Safari

[Herbie Allen]

I am helping  someone with Safari and they have indicated that they cannot do 
Command L to bring up the address bar. I am not sure why. They are using 
Monterey.

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Re: VoiceOver stopped working on log in page .

[N2KPV]

Thanks Harry , will give this a try .

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:23:13 AM UTC-4 Harry Bell wrote:

> It is a bug I have known and reported ever since Monterey started with 
> filevault enabled on an M one Mac.  And the solution is to press command 
> and F5 or double tap on the trackpad. Harry
>
> On 19 Apr 2022, at 14:15, N2KPV  wrote:
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> Hello All ,   This morning my mac stopped speaking on the logon page . 
> Can anyone help with this problem ?
>
> Thanx in advance  Ben 
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Okay cool. Thanks Herbie. Yeah, I’ve heard the Mac Air is the cheapest Mac you 
can purchase.  Do all the Mac models have the M1 processor  chips now 
installed? I’ll mainly be using this computer for basic stuff like email, 
Safari and documents. I might use it for creating music in Garageband or Logic 
as well.
Katie


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> On Apr 19, 2022, at 3:54 AM, rmani...@gmail.com  wrote:
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> 
> i use vivaldi, i even have seamonkey and firefox on elcpatian, no issues at 
> all.
> did you clean cache, create another profile in the browser ? 
> make sure you have firewall , i use lulu 
> also check your /etc/hosts file, you can put ip to block
> ofcourse you have ad blocker extension in the browser
> 
>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:30:56 PM UTC-4 Ray Foret jr wrote:
>> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
>> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
>> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
>> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if Safari 
>> is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better now, is 
>> there any alternative that I might try?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
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RE: A Question for Audible Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Yes, Donna, that is it, exactly.

Thank you for confirming that my experience is not unique.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question for Audible Subscribers

Hi Mark,

I just tested this out, and I am experiencing the same thing, though not 
consistently. I believe this to be a new behavior, so I don’t know if there’s a 
solution. One thing I noticed with my brief test was that it seemed to happen 
more often when I flipped through my titles then when I use my finger to scroll 
down through the screen.

Not sure how helpful this is, but that’s what I found in a two minute test.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:48 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I know I saw a post about this but I cannot locate the solutions, if 
> any exists.
> 
> For some reason, even when in list view, VoiceOver seems to skip 
> titles in my Audible Library when I am browsing through them.
> 
> Is there a solution to this problem?
> 
> Interestingly, I did not begin experiencing this issue until I merged 
> my original Audible account with my Amazon account.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Upgrading from Catalina

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Dave, I really only use the Mac for Safari and Numbers. Everything else 
I do on my iPhone ever since I got carpal tunnel. I just don’t wanna fall too 
far behind on the operating systems that’s my worry. But, I’ll probably have to 
get a new MacBook Air in the next few years, And maybe  that will be my next OS 
upgrade.

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> On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:05 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Phil,
> 
> In my experience, upgrading from Catalina to Monterey is pretty painless, and 
> it works as well as Catalina. However the text message app is quite different 
> and takes a bit of getting used to.
> 
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> Woodworker, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

[Dave Carlson]

Sort of what I was thinking 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I really haven’t messed with some of the other plist files, so can’t know for 
sure if they auto-regenerate like the plain old com.apple.safari.plist.  You 
could, though, copy and paste them onto your Desktop, then delete the ones left 
behind in the Preferences folder.  If Safari gets cranky, then copy and paste 
the ones from the Desktop back into Preferences.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:45, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Nice thought, but deleting that file did not do it. Do you think I can safely 
> delete all the other Com.Apple.Safari list files?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:33 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Dave,
> 
> I am running a bit newer of a MacOS and Safari, but I checked on the iMac on 
> my desk, which is running Monterey 12.3.1 and Safari 15.4 like you are, and 
> there are more options than just the two you’ve mentioned.  This gives me the 
> impression that an update may not fix your issue, as there is something 
> messed with your version of Safari.  I suggest that you first quit Safari, 
> then  go to the Finder, and up to the Go menu, then, while holding down the 
> VO keys, go down to the item named Library.  Once the Library folder is open, 
> navigate to the Preferences folder and find the com.apple.safari.plist item.  
> Trash that item then re-open Safari.  The Preferences that you’ve set in 
> Safari will be reset and you’ll have to set them up once again.  Hopefully, 
> after doing this, the regular choices are available to you.  Also, I 
> recommend that you have something in the Home Page field, even if it is just 
> www.google.com.  If you’re opening to an Empty page, this won’t cause you any 
> grief.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
>> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
>> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
>> 
>> 
>> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
>> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
>> 
>> No idea why, but there it is.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I really haven’t messed with some of the other plist files, so can’t know for 
sure if they auto-regenerate like the plain old com.apple.safari.plist.  You 
could, though, copy and paste them onto your Desktop, then delete the ones left 
behind in the Preferences folder.  If Safari gets cranky, then copy and paste 
the ones from the Desktop back into Preferences.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:45, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Nice thought, but deleting that file did not do it. Do you think I can safely 
> delete all the other Com.Apple.Safari list files?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:33 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> I am running a bit newer of a MacOS and Safari, but I checked on the iMac on 
> my desk, which is running Monterey 12.3.1 and Safari 15.4 like you are, and 
> there are more options than just the two you’ve mentioned.  This gives me the 
> impression that an update may not fix your issue, as there is something 
> messed with your version of Safari.  I suggest that you first quit Safari, 
> then  go to the Finder, and up to the Go menu, then, while holding down the 
> VO keys, go down to the item named Library.  Once the Library folder is open, 
> navigate to the Preferences folder and find the com.apple.safari.plist item.  
> Trash that item then re-open Safari.  The Preferences that you’ve set in 
> Safari will be reset and you’ll have to set them up once again.  Hopefully, 
> after doing this, the regular choices are available to you.  Also, I 
> recommend that you have something in the Home Page field, even if it is just 
> www.google.com .  If you’re opening to an Empty page, 
> this won’t cause you any grief.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:25, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
>> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
>> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
>> 
>> 
>> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
>> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
>> 
>> No idea why, but there it is.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
>> 
>> 
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

[Dave Carlson]

Nice thought, but deleting that file did not do it. Do you think I can safely 
delete all the other Com.Apple.Safari list files?

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian



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 wrote:

Hi Dave,

I am running a bit newer of a MacOS and Safari, but I checked on the iMac on my 
desk, which is running Monterey 12.3.1 and Safari 15.4 like you are, and there 
are more options than just the two you’ve mentioned.  This gives me the 
impression that an update may not fix your issue, as there is something messed 
with your version of Safari.  I suggest that you first quit Safari, then  go to 
the Finder, and up to the Go menu, then, while holding down the VO keys, go 
down to the item named Library.  Once the Library folder is open, navigate to 
the Preferences folder and find the com.apple.safari.plist item.  Trash that 
item then re-open Safari.  The Preferences that you’ve set in Safari will be 
reset and you’ll have to set them up once again.  Hopefully, after doing this, 
the regular choices are available to you.  Also, I recommend that you have 
something in the Home Page field, even if it is just www.google.com 
.  If you’re opening to an Empty page, this won’t cause 
you any grief.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:25, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
> 
> 
> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
> 
> No idea why, but there it is.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
> 
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

[Herbie Allen]

I wonder if there is a relation to your Text Edit getting corrupted and your 
Safari not  displaying all options? Just a thought. I wonder if you can do the 
same clearing techniques for   Safari? 

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 11:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
> 
> 
> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
> 
> No idea why, but there it is.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
> 
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

I am running a bit newer of a MacOS and Safari, but I checked on the iMac on my 
desk, which is running Monterey 12.3.1 and Safari 15.4 like you are, and there 
are more options than just the two you’ve mentioned.  This gives me the 
impression that an update may not fix your issue, as there is something messed 
with your version of Safari.  I suggest that you first quit Safari, then  go to 
the Finder, and up to the Go menu, then, while holding down the VO keys, go 
down to the item named Library.  Once the Library folder is open, navigate to 
the Preferences folder and find the com.apple.safari.plist item.  Trash that 
item then re-open Safari.  The Preferences that you’ve set in Safari will be 
reset and you’ll have to set them up once again.  Hopefully, after doing this, 
the regular choices are available to you.  Also, I recommend that you have 
something in the Home Page field, even if it is just www.google.com 
.  If you’re opening to an Empty page, this won’t cause 
you any grief.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
> 
> 
> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
> 
> No idea why, but there it is.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
> 
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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,

With respect, I do not have those three choices in
1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.


My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)

No idea why, but there it is.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian



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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I apologize for coming in late to the party, so I hope that these suggestions 
are not repeats.

First, I am in Monterey Dave, and the list of choices in those menus definitely 
has more than two choices.  Here’s how I have mine set:

1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
A New Page Opens:  Home Page.
A New Tab Opens:  Empty Page

By default, I believe that Safari is set to open with all tabs and windows that 
were open the last time you were in Safari.  While tons of people like this, I 
do not.  I like a blank slate when I come into Safari, then go to History if I 
need anything from previous times.  So, by setting Safari to open a new page on 
startup, and also telling it that new pages always open my Home page, it then 
starts with my default Home page every time I open Safari, and Safari does not 
take forever rebuilding pages from my last session.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 17:03, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> This is the Monterey operating system, latest version. Don’t know if that 
> makes any difference. It’s very strange that I only have two choices for the 
> start up pop up and neither one is blank page or no tabs. Even if I turn off 
> tabs entirely it’s still insist on having only those two choices. Maybe the 
> next OS will make things better. 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:58 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 17/4/22 22:44, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> Sorry, but the two choices I listed are the only ones. Regardless of moving 
>> up or down through the Pop up box. It just cycles around those two.
> 
> Mine doesn't and I don't know why that would happen, unless there's a setting 
> somewhere else.
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Re: VoiceOver stopped working on log in page .

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

It is a bug I have known and reported ever since Monterey started with 
filevault enabled on an M one Mac.  And the solution is to press command and F5 
or double tap on the trackpad. Harry

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Re: Need to Repair TextEdit on Monterey OS

[Dave Carlson]

Herbie,
Yes restarted and shutdown/start a few times, and until the last time, did not 
fix. I also Googled the question and found that some .clist files in the 
library folder needed to be cleared out. One file with the name 
com.apple.textInput.keyboardServices.textReplacement.plist seemed to do the 
trick — fingers crossed.
 
Dave Carlson
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VoiceOver stopped working on log in page .

[N2KPV]

Hello All ,   This morning my mac stopped speaking on the logon page . Can 
anyone help with this problem ?

Thanx in advance  Ben 

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Re: Need to Repair TextEdit on Monterey OS

[Herbie Allen]

Have you tried restarting your system? I had this same issue and restarting 
fixed it completely. Text edit comes as part of the OS, and I could not find a 
way to reinstall the program.

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 23:03, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> My Text Edit constantly goes into “TextEdit not responding” when I open it 
> without a document, or when I close a document. I always have to use the 
> force quit to shut it down.
> 
> This started happening yesterday, and so far I’ve found no solution to fix it.
> 
> Is there a site where I can download a new installation file for TextEdit? 
> The version that comes with Monterey is 1.17.
> 
> Or perhaps there is a configuration file somewhere in the system that is 
> corrupted and needs to be deleted or rebuilt?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now

[rmani...@gmail.com]

i use vivaldi, i even have seamonkey and firefox on elcpatian, no issues at 
all.
did you clean cache, create another profile in the browser ? 
make sure you have firewall , i use lulu 
also check your /etc/hosts file, you can put ip to block
ofcourse you have ad blocker extension in the browser

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:30:56 PM UTC-4 Ray Foret jr wrote:

> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if 
> Safari is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better 
> now, is there any alternative that I might try?
>
>
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
> blind:
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>
>

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