Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Rod skene
All fantastic points. Again, I absolutely agree.  I did a poor job of
expressing my suggestion.  I think it’s important, very important for blind
people to have many different tools in their toolbox. I wouldn’t suggest
anyone rely on solely using a Mac. I use a Mac, windows computer, iPhone. I
also use two screen readers on windows. None of the options I use can get
the job done every time. It’s good to have basic computer skills on
different platforms and using different screen readers. still, sometimes I
need sided assistance. as you said, reporting is the best way to improve. I
find many developers willing to change if they only knew what our community
needs were. Honestly, I need to report more. There’s just so many
accessibility issues out there that I get lazy sometimes. Smiles.
Rod
 On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 4:35 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> would love to see them manage that with my non-windows setup smiles.
> we get there as  You say, by informing those illustrating the   behavior
> that  the captcha is not inclusive..speaking personally.
> does not diminish the value for those such services provides, while
> leading to more inclusion generally, since captcha is a problem for many
> populations.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Rod skene wrote:
>
> > Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a
> > need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we’ll
> get
> > there, but we haven’t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service
> > directly to your PC. No Smart  phone needed.
> > Rod
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone*
> with
> >> a comparative print challenge can automatically find  a *someone* to be
> >> the non-challenged solution here.
> >> If you do not have a smartphone, then what?
> >> to be sure, i  firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can
> >> access it of course.
> >> for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the
> >> "cannot someone else do this for you?"  thinking of many outside of
> >> various challenge experiences.
> >> Just my take,
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes
> >> app
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> >>>
>  On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <
> >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one
> has
> >> no audio equivalent.
> 
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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Karen Lewellen

would love to see them manage that with my non-windows setup smiles.
we get there as  You say, by informing those illustrating the   behavior 
that  the captcha is not inclusive..speaking personally.
does not diminish the value for those such services provides, while 
leading to more inclusion generally, since captcha is a problem for many 
populations.




On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Rod skene wrote:


Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a
need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we???ll get
there, but we haven???t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service
directly to your PC. No Smart  phone needed.
Rod


On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:


what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with
a comparative print challenge can automatically find  a *someone* to be
the non-challenged solution here.
If you do not have a smartphone, then what?
to be sure, i  firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can
access it of course.
for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the
"cannot someone else do this for you?"  thinking of many outside of
various challenge experiences.
Just my take,
Karen



On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote:


If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes

app

Harry


On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <

macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


???Hi,

Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has

no audio equivalent.


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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Rod skene
Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a
need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we’ll get
there, but we haven’t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service
directly to your PC. No Smart  phone needed.
Rod


On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with
> a comparative print challenge can automatically find  a *someone* to be
> the non-challenged solution here.
> If you do not have a smartphone, then what?
> to be sure, i  firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can
> access it of course.
> for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the
> "cannot someone else do this for you?"  thinking of many outside of
> various challenge experiences.
> Just my take,
> Karen
>
>
>
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>
> > If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes
> app
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> >
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> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread joseph hudson
Like I said at a last resort do that.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’m hoping to avoid that.  Like all things Microsoft, it was a pain to set it 
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> Cheers,
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>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:54 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>> OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts 
>> and I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it 
>> back sometimes this works for most issues.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>>> that didn’t work either.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
 
 Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
 the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
 
> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
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> Thanks,
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
I’m hoping to avoid that.  Like all things Microsoft, it was a pain to set it 
up.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:54 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts 
> and I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it 
> back sometimes this works for most issues.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>> that didn’t work either.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
 my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
 message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
 specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Done that.  Also shut my Mac down and rebooted it, but still the messages won’t 
go away.
Best,
Donna

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I think it’s a sinking issue. I would tell the account to resink.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 15:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>> that didn’t work either.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
 my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
 message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
 specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
 necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread Herbie Allen
I think it’s a sinking issue. I would tell the account to resink.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 15:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
> tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
> didn’t work either.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread joseph hudson
OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts and 
I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it back 
sometimes this works for most issues.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
> tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
> didn’t work either.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
didn’t work either.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on my 
>> Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Karen Lewellen
what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with 
a comparative print challenge can automatically find  a *someone* to be 
the non-challenged solution here.

If you do not have a smartphone, then what?
to be sure, i  firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can 
access it of course.
for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the 
"cannot someone else do this for you?"  thinking of many outside of 
various challenge experiences.

Just my take,
Karen



On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote:


If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app
Harry


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Hi,

Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
audio equivalent.

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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread joseph hudson
Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes the 
problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on my 
> Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi there,
Regardless of the solution, please consider reporting the barrier to the 
source as well.

Not everyone encountering the issue has a resource to seek help wise.
Kare



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Hi,

Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
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Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

2022-09-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi all,

I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on my 
Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error message 
“The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The specified object 
could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the necessary properties.”  
Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread Herbie Allen
I wonder if this is where that new app Aira has would help?

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> Harry
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Re: Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries
If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app
Harry

> On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
> audio equivalent.
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> Andrew
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Captcha recognition

2022-09-05 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
audio equivalent.

Andrew

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