Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking Swedish 
with the Samantha Voice.
So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am a beta 
tester.
Bless.
/A

> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not in 
> sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I am 
> unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gabe,
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, the 
>> problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it was at 
>> 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  But it’s 
>> definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power off the 
>> watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery behaves 
>> normally.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and close 
>>> any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if your 
>>> battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps and then 
>>> restarting your watch again 
>>> 
>>> Gabe 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
 started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the next 
 night the same thing happens.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
> battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 
> 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, 
> it would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing 
> that seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, 
> there appeared to be some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have 
> any idea what could be going on?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Either issues when using vmware fusion on a silicon based Mac if you have to use Communications port serial port.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I guess there’s usb support for such devices now a days.
/A

> 21 apr. 2024 kl. 20:50 skrev Maurice A. Mines :
> 
> Hello everyone I have a amateur radio operator friend, who wants to switch 
> from windows to Mac, this friend however is very concerned that if they pick 
> using vmware fusion as the software to virtualize Microsoft Windows, that he 
> will have to stop using" RT systems" handheld radio programming software. The 
> reason why this might be a real issue is because this friend believes that 
> one cannot use the serial port cable that that programming software requires 
> any virtual machine under vmware Fusion. Is this true? I don't run being 
> fusion on my machine so I cannot answer Friends question.
> 
> Here's hoping that someone on the list has the answer, to this question.
> 
> 73 20 Alfredo who's on this list.
> My call sign is kd0iko.
> Maurice Mines.
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Mantis q40.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am going to get a Mantis q40 and I can finally dig my ergonomic issues I have 
had with braille displays and querty keyboards.
Just a question.
Are there any glitches or issues with the Mac and the mantis?
And if so are these issues easy enough to resolve.
Bless.
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Re: Voiceover frequently shutting off

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Go into VoiceOver utilities with vo f8 and go to the files menu.
Arrow down until something like  reset VoiceOver.
Hope that helps, otherwise let me know.
/A

> 16 apr. 2024 kl. 21:14 skrev Phil Halton :
> 
> I’ve never heard of “resetting” voiceover. How would you reset voiceover?
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2024, at 2:18 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> This is something I don’t have issues with.
>> But can you maybe reset voiceOver to see if that helps?
>> Do a backup of your settings first.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 16 apr. 2024 kl. 16:30 skrev Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> I am running the latest Sonoma on a MacBook Pro M3. Lately, I find 
>>> voiceover needing to be rebooted because it stops speaking. I don’t know if 
>>> it has been shut off or somehow muted itself but I can get no speech from 
>>> any action. So, the solution has been to reboot voiceover with the command 
>>> F5. I first hit command F5 to shut it off, and then command five again and 
>>> voice comes back up speaking. i’m worrying about the time when it won’t 
>>> come back up speaking. This is an oddity I don’t understand. Why is voice 
>>> needing to be rebooted on a regular basis?
>>> By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on the 
>>> laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights 
>>> inactivity, or even after several hours during the day of not being used.
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Re: Voiceover frequently shutting off

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
This is something I don’t have issues with.
But can you maybe reset voiceOver to see if that helps?
Do a backup of your settings first.
/A

> 16 apr. 2024 kl. 16:30 skrev Phil Halton :
> 
> I am running the latest Sonoma on a MacBook Pro M3. Lately, I find voiceover 
> needing to be rebooted because it stops speaking. I don’t know if it has been 
> shut off or somehow muted itself but I can get no speech from any action. So, 
> the solution has been to reboot voiceover with the command F5. I first hit 
> command F5 to shut it off, and then command five again and voice comes back 
> up speaking. i’m worrying about the time when it won’t come back up speaking. 
> This is an oddity I don’t understand. Why is voice needing to be rebooted on 
> a regular basis? 
> By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on the 
> laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights 
> inactivity, or even after several hours during the day of not being used. 
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Re: Headphone jack on Mac mini.

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Hi!
Yeah I found it too yesterday.
Bless.
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> 11 apr. 2024 kl. 20:23 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> Ah yes, I see it now. 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2024, at 12:13, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> No, the headphone jack has not been removed from the M1 Mac mini. You will 
>> find it on the back left-hand side of the unit. There's only one Jack and it 
>> handles both input and output.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2024, at 12:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I have a question regarding the m1 Mac mini.
>> Have they removed the headphone/line-in jack from it so I have to just rely 
>> on usb ports and the hdmi jack?
>> That’s something I wasn’t aware of when buying this 2  years ago.
>> Its not something mind-blowing but curious to me.
>> Bless.
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Re: Headphone jack on Mac mini.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I totally agree.
I have one  so no issues here.
Bless.
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> 11 apr. 2024 kl. 19:23 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> I’m looking at my Mac Mini right now, and I think You’re correct. I got this 
> one in December and I don’t see a headphone jack on here. Between UsB and 
> Bluetooth, I never noticed. You could always get an external soundcard with a 
> headphone jack.
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2024, at 12:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi!
>> I have a question regarding the m1 Mac mini.
>> Have they removed the headphone/line-in jack from it so I have to just rely 
>> on usb ports and the hdmi jack?
>> That’s something I wasn’t aware of when buying this 2  years ago.
>> Its not something mind-blowing but curious to me.
>> Bless.
>> /A
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Re: notifications on my Mac

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Hi!
I am very skeptical to why people do not upgrade as quick as possible.
Of corse there can be a critical bug but why open your Mac to potential 
critical issues that can ruin it.
/A

> 11 apr. 2024 kl. 17:29 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 10/4/24 22:39, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> Unless you have a good reason not too, the simplest way would just be to
>>  upgrade and be done with it. There isn’t much of a difference if you 
>> are on the previous OS.
> In addition, there are the security issues. I always run the latest OS on 
> everything, unless there's a critically important bug, and I can't remember 
> the last time that happened.
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Re: Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

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Hi!
The mx keyboard is beautiful and can also be used with other devices.
It has 3 bluetooth Channels so you can connect 3 devices.
Bless.
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> 7 apr. 2024 kl. 21:25 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I am probably one of the few who still likes full-size keyboards with lots of 
> key travel and mechanical switches. To that end, I recently purchased a 
> Logitech MX mechanical keyboard to use with my iPad mini. It is certainly 
> larger than most. It has the full number pad. It has some spacing between the 
> different sets of keys. It has the arrow keys with space around them so you 
> can actually tell where and what they are. so it may not be for you. But it’s 
> cheaper than the Apple keyboard for sure. I got it at Best Buy and I don’t 
> remember what I paid, but I saw the Apple keyboards there and they were 
> substantially more money.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2024, at 8:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
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>> Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any 
>> and all recommendations.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Changing how f keys behave.

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Hi!
The Logitech xm keys for Mac has its own keystroke for this setup.
So this  makes it independent of the Mac setup.
I by mistake turned the feature on.
/A

> 4 apr. 2024 kl. 20:51 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> I have the same set up, and I only remember having to change it once.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 4, 2024, at 13:48, Marlene Kramer  wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
> I have an MacBook Air. I sometimes use the MacBook Air keyboard, but other 
> times I use an Apple Magic Keyboard. Do I only need to change this setting 
> once, or does somehow I need to do that for both keyboards?
> Thank you. MB.
> 
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>> On Apr 4, 2024, at 1:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> This may not be possible with all makes and models of keyboards.
>> While the built in keyboards on MacBook Air/Pro computers, and Apple Magic 
>> Bluetooth keyboards allow modification of the behavior of F-keys, I once had 
>> a Logitech K750 Bluetooth keyboard that would not allow modification of 
>> F-key behavior.
>> While I am not sure if this is the case for other models of Logitech 
>> keyboards, it is something to be aware of, as this may be the case with 
>> certain other makes and models of keyboards, 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2024, at 07:35, Ian Robinson  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Go to System Settings, Keyboard.
>> Interact with the scroll area and press the Keyboard Shortcuts button.
>> You should have 2 tables. In the side Bar table choose Function keys.
>> Stop interacting with the table and press VO+right and you should find what 
>> you are looking for.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Apr 2024, at 13:02, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I can not find  any way to change how f keys are behaving.
>>> All of a sudden I have to press the fn key and vo+f8 to open VOiceOver 
>>> utilities.
>>> I changed that long ago but have forgot.
>>> /A
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Changing how f keys behave.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can not find  any way to change how f keys are behaving.
All of a sudden I have to press the fn key and vo+f8 to open VOiceOver 
utilities.
I changed that long ago but have forgot.
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Re: Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t want to get a HomePod.
Not for this reason but I do not need it.
However it seems very very clunky and unacceptable to me.
I once was an apple fanboy but now a days I am not a fanboy of any brand.
Bless.
/A

> 29 mars 2024 kl. 02:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to share this with the list, as it could potentially impact 
> anyone considering the purchase of a HomePod or HomePod mini.  Feel free to 
> share with anyone who might benefit.
> 
> After spending an entire afternoon trying to set up our new HomePod mini, I 
> found the following article.  Buyer beware!  Apparently Apple thinks it’s 
> just fine to sell these things.  I plan on returning mine, and will only buy 
> another if the people at the Apple Store can definitively prove that it is 
> running a more recent software version.
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/20/homepod-bug-advanced-data-protection/#
> The text of the article follows:
> 
> To use Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, all the devices logged into your 
> Apple ID require a minimum software version. That includes HomePod speakers, 
> which must be running at least HomePod software 16.2. 
> 
> However, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman 
> , there is a bug 
> in the Home app that prevents HomePods running older versions of the software 
> from being updated if iCloud end-to-end encryption has been turned on.
> 
> 
> This means anyone buying a HomePod that ships with an OS older than 16.2 
> won't be able to set it up, because doing so first requires an update.
> 
> Apple's support document explains what options are available to customers 
> facing this predicament. If the speaker in question is a HomePod mini, users 
> can connect it to a Mac via the USB-C cable and update it through Finder (or 
> iTunes on a PC) by selecting the HomePod in the Finder sidebar and clicking 
> the Restore HomePod option. This will update the speaker to the latest 
> software, after which it can be properly set up.
> 
> The full-size first-generation HomePod and the new 2023 HomePod have no USB-C 
> port, so unless Apple includes a fix in iOS 16.3, which is expected to be 
> released next week, owners of these speakers will have to temporarily turn 
> off Advanced Data Protection to update the HomePod software. Apple outlines 
> how to do that in the following way:
> 
> Turn off Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or 
> Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll 
> to Advanced Data Protection and turn off Advanced Data Protection.
> If you received an error message when you previously tried to set up your 
> HomePod, you may need to reset your HomePod 
> . Then set up your 
> HomePod .
> Update your HomePod to the latest software using the Home app. 
> Turn on Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or 
> Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll 
> to Advanced Data Protection and turn on Advanced Data Protection.
> Apple advises anyone who temporarily turns off Advanced Data Protection to 
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> Best, Donna
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Re: Chrome browser on the Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think you should use command but you can try with control to.
I kind of remember something like that.
But it was quite long ago I used google chrome.
/A

> 25 mars 2024 kl. 20:33 skrev Phil Halton :
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> I installed chrome on my MacBook Pro today and made the mistake of turning on 
> the screen reader during set up. It conflicts with voiceover, giving me 
> double voices etc. How can I shut off the screen reader in Google’s chrome 
> browser on my MacBook Pro. I think I heard something about control alt Z key 
> stroke will turn off the screen reader and I assume that corresponds to 
> control command Z on the Mac keyboard. Is this the valid key stroke for 
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Re: Command Assignments

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Hi!
Yes but I can not remember which of the commands that are not announced.
I have this issue on Mac too.
Bless.
/A

> 24 mars 2024 kl. 17:58 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
>   Question for those of you with braille displays. On both iOS and iPad,, I 
> have some commands, both default and custom, that Voiceover does not announce 
>  when in keyboard help. Same commands are affected on both devices.
> 
>   Wondering if anyone has seen this behavior.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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Hi!
So the mantis works with Mac?
I am about to get a new display and I would like to have the mantis as it has a 
keyboard.
Bless.
/A

> 23 mars 2024 kl. 15:35 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Orbit has just announced a display with a qwerty keyboard that will start 
> shipping in June.
> 
> I had a Mantis, but sold it.  I loved the unit, but had trouble using the 
> thumb keys due to arthritis in my thumbs.
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Orbit has a qwerty keyboard? I thought it was a braille style keyboard? 
>>> Donna, have you tried the mantis? I have been using it for 3 years and love 
>>> it. Even has a note taker and some of the bookshare sites built into it.
>>> 
>>> Check out the TechTalk  Podcast 
>>> 
>>> Sturitup on  Youtube 
>>>  Page
>>> The MacForTheBlind Podcast 
>>> And iPad for All computing on th TTJ Tech Talk Podcast 
>>> 
>>> Check out our Apple Tutorials Playlist 
>>>  
>>> for all class audio
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hi all,
 
 I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, 
 and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a 
 qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the 
 Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember 
 that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about 
 the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said 
 it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a 
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Re: Look there, Mac has a clock app!

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Hi!
That’s very nice indeed.
Its good to have actually.
Bless.
/A

> 14 mars 2024 kl. 05:31 skrev Traci Duncan :
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> I did not know the Mac had a clock app including timer, etc.  You can access 
> the various tabs of clock with alt-1-4.
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Re: Braillex el does not detect.

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Hi!
Well yes I have.
But I will test it with another Mac.
/A

> 13 mars 2024 kl. 00:46 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 12/3/24 11:27, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> I have a braillex el 40 c here which won’t detect in VoiceOver.
>> It seems to have power as I can read the name and revision of the display.
> I would suggest testing it with a different device and operating system. Have 
> you checked that it's on Apple's list of supported displays?
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Braillex el does not detect.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have a braillex el 40 c here which won’t detect in VoiceOver.
It seems to have power as I can read the name and revision of the display.
But VoiceOver won’t detect it.
Its connected to the usb port so it has no bluetooth.
Its also driven by the usb port so I am not sure what is going on.
I wonder if it can be that I have an m1 Mac but that should not be the case.
Bless.
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Re: Running wineskin on an m1 Mac.

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Hi!
It was last updated 2015 so it might work but I guess its better to buy an 
extra computer.
Bless.
/A

> 11 mars 2024 kl. 16:31 skrev Jessica Moss :
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> I actually didn’t know you could run this app to do things like play 
> windows-based audio games on your Mac until I stumbled across a 10-year old 
> post on AppleVis.com  last night when I was doing a 
> search for something else.  However, this post was also riddled with 
> complaints of people encountering various error messages when trying to get 
> games to load, and the process to get it up and running sounds like a 
> complicated mess.
>   Has anyone successfully managed to get this up and running on an M1 Mac, 
> and if so, is the process any less cumbersome, or would I be better off 
> buying a secondary laptop, with all the hoops you seem to have to jump 
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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I have done that.
It won’t accept my card though but I have no stress in getting it.
/A

> 11 mars 2024 kl. 00:18 skrev  :
> 
> 
> The Apple Store does support Apple Pay. 
> There is a buy with Apple Pay button when making your purchase.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:44 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?
> 
> Hi!
> Maybe that could be  something to think of.
> Maybe I can’t use the credit card for this.
> I go round in circles.
> /A
> 
>> 7 mars 2024 kl. 14:52 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> That’s interesting.  Don’t know why that wouldn’t work, but then, I’m 
>> sort of new to all this. :)
>> 
>> Apple Pay worked quite well for me yesterday, though it wasn’t an App Store 
>> transaction.  Have you ever thought about just adding money to your account 
>> and using that to make purchases?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The only issue I have is when buying something in the Apple Store app.
>>> I don’t get how to pay when buying some thing there.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 6 mars 2024 kl. 20:29 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much for all this information.  I’ve never experienced fraud, 
>>>> but my husband has—a work study student stole his credit card.
>>>> 
>>>> I get the being tired thing, and sometimes you end up having to try 
>>>> and make decisions not under the best of circumstances.  I just 
>>>> hired a driver in Sicily for our trip this summer.  He used a 
>>>> payment service that I was completely unfamiliar with, which isn’t 
>>>> to say they aren’t legit, but making that purchase felt risky.  So, 
>>>> my way of saying, that tired or not, we all have those moments and 
>>>> experiences. 
>>>> 
>>>> I actually really like the idea that the Apple Card notifies you 
>>>> when a purchase is made.  At least that way if there is fraud, 
>>>> you’re more likely to catch it quickly.  In general, I don’t really 
>>>> like the idea of getting an additional credit card, but the instant 
>>>> notifications might be enough to make me reconsider that. :) Thanks 
>>>> again, Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:19 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I feel the need to explain this a little better.  It is not my intention 
>>>>> at all to trash the Apple Card.  I still use it frequently and have put 
>>>>> some major purchases on it.  It is easy to set up and use.  I feel 
>>>>> confident that I always know exactly what is going on and that I have a 
>>>>> lot of control, something I have not always felt when dealing with credit 
>>>>> cards.  I still recommend the Apple Card for VoiceOver users.  It is 
>>>>> amazingly easy.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> But I had the misfortunate to make an ill-advised transaction on a site 
>>>>> that turned out to be fraudulent.  I was tired and in a hurry and did not 
>>>>> use good judgment, which is a major way that scams and fraud happen.  I 
>>>>> tried to use two credit cards because I thought I just didn’t have the 
>>>>> right number for one of them.  This is why I am comparing the two cards, 
>>>>> Chase and Apple, because both frauds happened at the same time.  Both 
>>>>> companies were extremely courteous and professional when I spoke with 
>>>>> them.  And ultimately, I did not lose any money, so I feel confident that 
>>>>> I can use cards from both these companies.  The Apple Card in 
>>>>> particularly sent me a notification that there was a charge, and when I 
>>>>> looked it was a charge I had not made.  The only difference was that 
>>>>> Chase never allowed the fraudulent charge in the first place, while I 
>>>>> actually had to contest the charges with Apple.  This took a couple of 
>>>>> weeks and was resolved quickly and painlessly.  I am still happy with my 
>>>>> Apple Card.  But I do think it is  relevant that their fraud protec

Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Maybe that could be  something to think of.
Maybe I can’t use the credit card for this.
I go round in circles.
/A

> 7 mars 2024 kl. 14:52 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> That’s interesting.  Don’t know why that wouldn’t work, but then, I’m sort of 
> new to all this. :)
> 
> Apple Pay worked quite well for me yesterday, though it wasn’t an App Store 
> transaction.  Have you ever thought about just adding money to your account 
> and using that to make purchases?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The only issue I have is when buying something in the Apple Store app.
>> I don’t get how to pay when buying some thing there.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 6 mars 2024 kl. 20:29 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for all this information.  I’ve never experienced fraud, but 
>>> my husband has—a work study student stole his credit card.
>>> 
>>> I get the being tired thing, and sometimes you end up having to try and 
>>> make decisions not under the best of circumstances.  I just hired a driver 
>>> in Sicily for our trip this summer.  He used a payment service that I was 
>>> completely unfamiliar with, which isn’t to say they aren’t legit, but 
>>> making that purchase felt risky.  So, my way of saying, that tired or not, 
>>> we all have those moments and experiences.  
>>> 
>>> I actually really like the idea that the Apple Card notifies you when a 
>>> purchase is made.  At least that way if there is fraud, you’re more likely 
>>> to catch it quickly.  In general, I don’t really like the idea of getting 
>>> an additional credit card, but the instant notifications might be enough to 
>>> make me reconsider that. :)
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:19 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I feel the need to explain this a little better.  It is not my intention 
>>>> at all to trash the Apple Card.  I still use it frequently and have put 
>>>> some major purchases on it.  It is easy to set up and use.  I feel 
>>>> confident that I always know exactly what is going on and that I have a 
>>>> lot of control, something I have not always felt when dealing with credit 
>>>> cards.  I still recommend the Apple Card for VoiceOver users.  It is 
>>>> amazingly easy.  
>>>> 
>>>> But I had the misfortunate to make an ill-advised transaction on a site 
>>>> that turned out to be fraudulent.  I was tired and in a hurry and did not 
>>>> use good judgment, which is a major way that scams and fraud happen.  I 
>>>> tried to use two credit cards because I thought I just didn’t have the 
>>>> right number for one of them.  This is why I am comparing the two cards, 
>>>> Chase and Apple, because both frauds happened at the same time.  Both 
>>>> companies were extremely courteous and professional when I spoke with 
>>>> them.  And ultimately, I did not lose any money, so I feel confident that 
>>>> I can use cards from both these companies.  The Apple Card in particularly 
>>>> sent me a notification that there was a charge, and when I looked it was a 
>>>> charge I had not made.  The only difference was that Chase never allowed 
>>>> the fraudulent charge in the first place, while I actually had to contest 
>>>> the charges with Apple.  This took a couple of weeks and was resolved 
>>>> quickly and painlessly.  I am still happy with my Apple Card.  But I do 
>>>> think it is  relevant that their fraud protection was not quite as 
>>>> responsive.  So I guess what I am saying is that if you think you might 
>>>> have been defrauded for any reason, pay attention to those notifications 
>>>> and take the time to go into the Wallet app and look around.  If it does 
>>>> happen, you will not wind up losing the money.  They are very professional 
>>>> about it.  But Apple Pay and the Apple Card are the easiest and most 
>>>> accessible ways to pay for anything that I can think of.  
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this clears it up.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never had any problems with Apple Pay on my pho

Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Its easy on any apple device supporting it.
I use it with my Iphone and iPad mini and Apple Watch and it works fairly well.
It works with my Mac but I have to use my phone to confirm things.
I don’t have any Touch Bar or such on my keyboard.
/A

> 6 mars 2024 kl. 15:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all,  I’m considering one or both of these options.  Would 
> love to know list members experiences, both good and bad.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Can not update clanmymac.

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Hi!
It ruined my internet as I have issues with my wifi on my Mac now.
Otherwise hit works fine.
Now it takes forever to start a internet stream.
/A

> 18 feb. 2024 kl. 22:12 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Delete the app and install a fresh copy. The app is working fine for me.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
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> On 2/18/2024 10:14 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I can not update cleanly Mac x from with in the app.
>> When I do  Sonoma tells me that its damaged so it can not be installed.
>> Any ideas I I can install the the update manually.
>> /A
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Re: Can not update clanmymac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No not yet.
That might be the next step.

I will do that to see if it will help.
/A
> 18 feb. 2024 kl. 21:05 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 18/2/24 13:14, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> I can not update cleanly Mac x from with in the app.
>> When I do  Sonoma tells me that its damaged so it can not be installed.
> I've never heard of it, so I can't offer specific advice. However, have you 
> tried removing it and reinstalling?
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Can not update clanmymac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can not update cleanly Mac x from with in the app.
When I do  Sonoma tells me that its damaged so it can not be installed.
Any ideas I I can install the the update manually.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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Hi!
Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
Bless.
/A

> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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> I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> I’m on an Intel mac.
> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Vocr is so hard to use.
>> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
>>> 
>>> Well,
>>> 
>>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
>>> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
>>> sound.
>>> 
>>> I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
>>> going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key 
>>> and such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>>>> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
>>>> getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Vocr is very very tedious.
>>>>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
>>>>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
>>>>> windows.
>>>>> Bless.
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Vocr is so hard to use.
I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
/A

> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Well,
> 
> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get through 
> setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator sound.
> 
> I’m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound after 
> going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a product key and 
> such. But I didn’t have Narrator speech.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>> VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I’m not 
>> getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>> 
>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Hi!
>>> Vocr is very very tedious.
>>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
>>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
>>> windows.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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Hi!
Hi!
Vocr is very very tedious.
So I rather not use any virtual machine.
I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto or 
windows.
Bless.
/A
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Re: XCP

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
I didn’t know about it but I am willing to try it.
Bless.
/A

> 6 feb. 2024 kl. 17:59 skrev Terje Strømberg :
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> Hello,
> 
> The virtual machine XCP. Has annyone tried it for compatibility with screen 
> reader. Don't have a pc/mac running at this time. Therefore i ask if other 
> folks know. Youtube video link below.
> 
> 
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=cSwmtg7sJb4=1298=rx9oORWwJxFuegUB
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Re: AirPods 2nd Gen question

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The widget on the Iphone should tell you about the case too.
It does on my Iphone 15 Pro max with iOS 17.4 beta.
But I have the AirPods Pro 2nd gen so it may be a difference in how things show 
up.
/A

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> Dear List,
> I am late jumping on the AirPods  band wagon.
> I have a question, How can I tell if the case is charged?
> This is the case with the Lightning port.
> My iPhone 14 battery widget says the AirPods are at 95% charged.
> What about left ear charge or right ear charge?
> Last Night I had trouble connecting the AirPods to my iPhone 14 for the first 
> time.
> Holding the case next to the phone and opening the lid brought up  the 
> connect screen, but every time  I hit connect I get error connection failed. 
> And in bluetooth settings, tapping on AirPods got error, pairing failed.
> After choosing to forget device, I held the button on the case for 5 seconds 
> and finally  got it to pair.
> My second question is what holder do you suggest for making sure the AirPods 
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Re: Reading DAISY books on Mac os Sonoma

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
EasyReader is free but some subscriptions might cost a bit.
And its not very great for reading braille with either.
VoiceDream has issues on the Mac so you should use the iPad version instead 
then I guess.


> 29 jan. 2024 kl. 19:32 skrev Ian Robinson :
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> Hi Simon,
> 
> I thought Easy Reader was free unless you need the premium features. I’ve 
> just checked the App Store and no price is shown for me.
> 
> There is also BookPlayer, though it was written for iOS and isn’t verified 
> for the Mac.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jan 2024, at 18:13, Simon Cavendish  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way of reading DAISY books on the mac M1 chip?  I mean reading 
>> using voiceover and a Braille display?  I know there’s Dolphin Easy reader 
>> but it requires subscription which is not cheap.
>> 
>> Simon
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Re: Braille SupportFixes

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Hi!
I have to get me a laptop that can run Debian but it has to be refurbished then.
I want Mac for music production and music listening.
Bless.
/A

> 22 jan. 2024 kl. 23:49 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 22/1/24 17:09, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
>> edit with and navigate with.
> I agree, which is why I tend to use my Linux machine for any serious editing 
> at the moment. I can work around the issues on the Mac, but why work around 
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Re: Braille SupportFixes

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
THere is no apple support person in this forum I guess so they won’t be able to 
listen here.
However I have also been trying to explain several issues I have regarding 
Braille on the Mac.
I sadly has no good news as out of yet.
Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
edit with and navigate with.
I begin to be a bit fed up of that but I won’t give in yet.
/A

> 19 jan. 2024 kl. 12:30 skrev roni mathew :
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> Hello, I’ve asked numerous times about this topic and was wondering if anyone 
> has heard any update; from Apple technology services  on this.
> 
> As Apple Accessibility is far-and-away still stronger than Google, there is 
> more to be desired in the areas of braille editting services.  when you type 
> in braille, or make proofs, you expect  consistency in what you are typing, 
> and accuracy in your proofing. After all, it's your voice coming through, 
> ideas and oppoions expessed, and you demand it state exactly what you intend. 
> Any print reader gets this. Your intelligence and expression shall not, and 
> should never, ever  be undermined at all by the technology/platform  that is 
> used.
> I make this statement out of general commendation for the progress in Apple 
> accessibility, with simultaneous sighing frustration about  this area of 
> braille editting and proofing. Specifically, the jumping of the braille 
> cursor, and irregular freezing and scrambling of braille characters while 
> typing, cursur movement, and while proofing documents of varying lengths, 
> whether in Apple Notes, mail, Google or other apps is, franly, at the present 
> time not to be the case any longer. This  is a matter of braille and general 
> literacy, so vital for the advancement of blind persons everywhere in 
> society. It is not just a lluxury, but is still being overlooked, or perhaps 
> not sufficiently addressed by Apple Accessibility: patchwork excuses being 
> given or suggested. 
> Anyone have suggestions on this, and if we have Apple Support available in 
> Visionaries here, please again do consider this less a complaint, and more 
> the strong potential for consistent growth and ability of the blind 
> everywhere to achieve our best, without the troughts and pitfalls of 
> technologies leaps with pitfalls.   No more of this in 2024;  please fix.
> 
> Thank you  They honestly should not be, not this long. 
> Roni Mathew
> The key to satisfaction is faithful service with a smile: the fruits/product 
> of which is a life of impact.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> Go to System Preferences, and Software Updates.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 18:44, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> I keep getting a notification that updates need to be installed and asks 
>>> for my system password. I have had no luck in finding out exactly what 
>>> those updates are. suggestions please.
>>> 
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>>> Lorie
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I was hoping for some les clunky solution.
Having a focus 40 and  a keyboard infront of that is quite clunky if you are 
very tall as I am.
/A

> 10 jan. 2024 kl. 13:55 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I gave them so much feedback that they’re probably relieved that I didn’t buy 
> one. Lol  But I completely agree with you about it being clunky.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna!
>> Thanks for your review.
>> I have been thinking  of buying this display or getting funded to buy it.
>> Even though things sounds very cool I think I will wait until they have 
>> fixed some issues.
>> The issues with the internal editor and having to  go in and out of apps is 
>> their real downside.
>> This has going on in all their devices since the braillino came out several 
>> years ago.
>> Its a very very clunky way of dealing with things.
>> Something to tell them maybe.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 5 jan. 2024 kl. 04:15 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have just spent the last two weeks demoing the Activator braille display, 
>>> and I thought I’d send my review in case anyone is interested.
>>> 
>>> There is a lot to love about this display.  Unfortunately, there were also 
>>> some things not to love.
>>> 
>>> The form factor is amazingly streamline, especially given all that it 
>>> contains.  It is slightly bigger than the braille displays most of us are 
>>> used to, but in large part, that is because the back portion contains the 
>>> folding qwerty keyboard.  On the right side is the magnetic strip, used for 
>>> connecting the smart dock.  On the left, farthest from you, is the USB port 
>>> for connecting it to a computer.  In front of that, closer to you, is the 
>>> on/off switch.  A long press of this button turns the unit on and off, 
>>> while a short press cycles it between menu, Smartdock, and USB modes.  On 
>>> either end of the top of the device are three buttons.  The top and bottom 
>>> buttons are up/down buttons, while the right middle button is Enter, and 
>>> the left middle button is back.  These buttons are all small, so the middle 
>>> buttons—Enter and Back—are identified with a raised line.  Starting in the 
>>> front of the unit, are the concave braille cells, as you would expect.  
>>> Behind those is the Perkins keyboard.  The one unique thing about this is 
>>> that there are actually three space bars, two below the braille keys, and 
>>> one in between the two groups of four.  And behind that is the qwerty 
>>> keyboard.  All you have to do to use the qwerty keyboard is fold it back.  
>>> One of many nice touches HelpTech added is that on the back of the qwerty 
>>> keyboard there are little feet on each side, with a small rubber strip on 
>>> the bottom that you can pull out to help keep the device stable,  They 
>>> recommend that you not use the qwerty keyboard in your lap, but I did with 
>>> no problems.  You just have to put the feet down, and position your legs so 
>>> that they support the device.  A lap desk would accomplish the same thing.  
>>> The qwerty keyboard was comfortable to use, but you do have to stretch to 
>>> reach it, sort of like you do on the Mac, except it’s a slightly bigger 
>>> stretch.  The newer units are going to be shipping with a quieter keyboard, 
>>> so at this time I can’t say anything about what it is like to type on, as 
>>> that will not be the same for anyone who purchases a device moving forward.
>>> 
>>> The concave braille cells, in conjunction with the ATC (Active Tactile 
>>> Control) make reading very comfortable.  In my experience the ATC 
>>> technology works quite well, though it worked best when I read with one 
>>> hand rather than two.
>>> 
>>> It also worked very well as a display when paired with my Mac and my PC.  I 
>>> tested with JAWS on my PC, and on the Mac with Voiceover.  There is no need 
>>> to install drivers in either use case, you simply plug it in and it is 
>>> detected.  You can, of course, also pair it via bluetooth, with PC, Mac, or 
>>> phone.  It also works as external storage on the Mac, which was a great 
>>> bonus.  (The one problem connecting it to the Mac as external storage is 
>>> that the Mac will dump a bunch of junk files on the Activator.  That 
>>> results in a No Dis

Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Absolutely, the downside for me with Mac is that braille is not as smooth as in 
linux or windows.
It works but  its just that and it has tons of issues.
For example, it does not updating properly for example  sometimes when I do 
tabbing and in some progress indicators.
You have to use speech to get everything out of your Mac which in my humble 
opinion is not fair.
/A

> 10 jan. 2024 kl. 05:54 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> For myself, macOS means lots of different things to me, when it isn't broken, 
> but especially Spatterlight, for text adventures AKA Interactive Fiction, and 
> a UNIX environment underneath. Of course nothing says I won't ever go back to 
> Windoze, but I think Marc has it right—use both platforms to get the best. It 
> shouldn't be necessary, and I appreciate that in an age of Apple Silicon it's 
> often an impossible choice to make, but if you can, maintain access to both. 
> Windows is many things but it certainly isn't a dreamland, either.
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Re: Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier ↦

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well that sounds great.
When that comes out I will remove this old one and get the full security thing 
back.
Bless.
/A

> 10 jan. 2024 kl. 05:12 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> This sounds like great news.
> https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/
>  
> Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier
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> installing them has been pretty rough 
> ,
>  due to Apple requiring multiple reboots and a visit to Recovery Mode to 
> perform a dubious-sounding reduction to a Mac’s “security policy.”
> 
> There is apparently great news on this front, however! Tucked into an 
> otherwise perfectly nice summation of Rogue Amoeba’s year 
> , CEO Paul 
> Kafasis wrote:
> 
> We’ll soon be shipping updates that simplify things immensely. In fact, 
> Airfoil, Audio Hijack, and Piezo will feature an installer-free setup that 
> won’t even need your administrator password. Meanwhile, Loopback and 
> SoundSource will use a new audio capture plugin called ARK that won’t require 
> a single system restart. It’s going to be an incredible improvement to our 
> user experience.
> 
> As someone who has had to reinstall Audio Hijack, Loopback, and SoundSource 
> multiple times in the last few months… this is pretty fantastic news. (How in 
> the world will Audio Hijack not even require an administrator password?! 
> 
> 
> )
> 
> This has been a real pain point for more than three years, so kudos to 
> everyone (presumably both inside Apple and at Rogue Amoeba) who worked on the 
> problem and found a solution that lets some of macOS’s most clever and useful 
> utilities run without these issues.
> 
> —Linked by Jason Snell
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Donna!
Thanks for your review.
I have been thinking  of buying this display or getting funded to buy it.
Even though things sounds very cool I think I will wait until they have fixed 
some issues.
The issues with the internal editor and having to  go in and out of apps is 
their real downside.
This has going on in all their devices since the braillino came out several 
years ago.
Its a very very clunky way of dealing with things.
Something to tell them maybe.
Bless.
/A

> 5 jan. 2024 kl. 04:15 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just spent the last two weeks demoing the Activator braille display, 
> and I thought I’d send my review in case anyone is interested.
> 
> There is a lot to love about this display.  Unfortunately, there were also 
> some things not to love.
> 
> The form factor is amazingly streamline, especially given all that it 
> contains.  It is slightly bigger than the braille displays most of us are 
> used to, but in large part, that is because the back portion contains the 
> folding qwerty keyboard.  On the right side is the magnetic strip, used for 
> connecting the smart dock.  On the left, farthest from you, is the USB port 
> for connecting it to a computer.  In front of that, closer to you, is the 
> on/off switch.  A long press of this button turns the unit on and off, while 
> a short press cycles it between menu, Smartdock, and USB modes.  On either 
> end of the top of the device are three buttons.  The top and bottom buttons 
> are up/down buttons, while the right middle button is Enter, and the left 
> middle button is back.  These buttons are all small, so the middle 
> buttons—Enter and Back—are identified with a raised line.  Starting in the 
> front of the unit, are the concave braille cells, as you would expect.  
> Behind those is the Perkins keyboard.  The one unique thing about this is 
> that there are actually three space bars, two below the braille keys, and one 
> in between the two groups of four.  And behind that is the qwerty keyboard.  
> All you have to do to use the qwerty keyboard is fold it back.  One of many 
> nice touches HelpTech added is that on the back of the qwerty keyboard there 
> are little feet on each side, with a small rubber strip on the bottom that 
> you can pull out to help keep the device stable,  They recommend that you not 
> use the qwerty keyboard in your lap, but I did with no problems.  You just 
> have to put the feet down, and position your legs so that they support the 
> device.  A lap desk would accomplish the same thing.  The qwerty keyboard was 
> comfortable to use, but you do have to stretch to reach it, sort of like you 
> do on the Mac, except it’s a slightly bigger stretch.  The newer units are 
> going to be shipping with a quieter keyboard, so at this time I can’t say 
> anything about what it is like to type on, as that will not be the same for 
> anyone who purchases a device moving forward.
> 
> The concave braille cells, in conjunction with the ATC (Active Tactile 
> Control) make reading very comfortable.  In my experience the ATC technology 
> works quite well, though it worked best when I read with one hand rather than 
> two.
> 
> It also worked very well as a display when paired with my Mac and my PC.  I 
> tested with JAWS on my PC, and on the Mac with Voiceover.  There is no need 
> to install drivers in either use case, you simply plug it in and it is 
> detected.  You can, of course, also pair it via bluetooth, with PC, Mac, or 
> phone.  It also works as external storage on the Mac, which was a great 
> bonus.  (The one problem connecting it to the Mac as external storage is that 
> the Mac will dump a bunch of junk files on the Activator.  That results in a 
> No Disk Room error, so you have to delete the junk files and reboot the unit 
> in order to use it after transferring files.  Kind of a pain, but you can 
> transfer files that way, if you don’t mind the cleanup.)  It did not work for 
> me as external storage on Windows, more on that later.
> 
> Now for the best part, the interface with the iPhone.  It is AMAZING!  You 
> slide the phone into the dock, connect the dock via the magnetic strip, and 
> it’s like you have one device that is essentially an iPhone with braille and 
> the keyboard of your choice.  You can access all your apps and files, and you 
> can move files back and forth from the Phone to the Activator.  There’s also 
> a shortcut on the Activator that you can use to access the apps you use most 
> often.  It really is very slick.  The only drawback, and this won’t be a 
> problem for everyone, is that in this configuration, it isn’t very portable.  
> The magnetic strip can’t support the dock and phone all by itself, so you 
> have to have it on a table or in your lap.  You could pick the whole thing up 
> and move it, you’d just need to make sure to support the dock while you did.
> 
> For those of you in the US, the Helptech dealer here is 

Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Brandon!
I can understand why you want to go back to Windows.
I would like to  have a windows computer since things are a bit easier on the 
Windows platform.
Mac still works for me but it has some annoyances.
Bless.
/A

> 6 jan. 2024 kl. 22:24 skrev Brandon Olivares :
> 
> Literally can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m really thinking of switching 
> back to Windows.
>  
> I’ve been a loyal Mac user since 2010. I’ve always loved the Mac and swore 
> I’d never go back to Windows.
>  
> But because of school I’ve had to use some Microsoft applications again and 
> I’ve been quite impressed by them. Word honestly knocks Pages out of the 
> water. And Excel is actually usable, whereas I’ve been dealing with an 
> annoying bug in Numbers for months now.
>  
> When not even Apple’s own native apps can be relied on to be dependably 
> accessible, something is wrong.
>  
> I’m just not seeing much of a reason to stick with the Mac. Even the last 
> MacBook pro I got was very glitchy, but with the nearest Apple Store being 80 
> miles away, I’ve never had the chance to get it fixed.
>  
> So, at this point I’m seriously considering my next computer being Windows.
>  
> Curious if anyone has any thoughts though. What has made you stick with Apple?
>  
> Brandon
>  
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that runs 
on Linux.
 Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
Bless.
/A

> 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> with for the forseeable future.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
>> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for the 
>> linux thing.
>> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or I 
>> need to go where you live.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
>>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
>>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
>>> situations.
>>> 
>>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
>>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
>>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
>>> problems started when I got my M2.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Yes of corse.
>>>> I do understand that.
>>>> But do things work for you now?
>>>> Bless.
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
>>>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
>>>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>>>>>> Even for linux.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>>>>>> free license.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>>>>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>>>>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>>>>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>>>>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>>>>>> and mend their ways?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Argh!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>>>>> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>>>>>>>> license key (free) for Player.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>>>

Re: Using Parallels

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Are there stores that refreshing old computers so that they can be sold at a 
les expensive price?
I mean refurbished computers.
We have such companies here that get their from offices that buys new fresh 
computer and instead of throwing the computers the sell them to this company 
and the company checks them and reinstalls windows on them.
Bless.
/A

> 30 dec. 2023 kl. 21:02 skrev Phil Halton :
> 
> Well, since we are talking about windows here, let me see if I can sneak in a 
> completely off-topic question. I don’t want to go with virtualization. These 
> days it’s probably inexpensive enough just to buy a cheap laptop or some kind 
> of windows machine. Here’s the question, can anybody recommend something 
> inexpensive And functional running windows, it’s not gonna be a power machine 
> for me really just a novelty so I can play around with windows and windows 
> apps. Any suggestions welcome. Thank you
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  it. Comes down to personal chose. The. Real reason that  Microsoft went 
>> with  Parallels, is the  two  companies offices are. Vary  close to etch 
>> other. I know that  this  a  vary small thing. But is  is true. Both are in  
>> a  subvert of. Seattle Washington.
>> 
>> All  of that  aside, it. Comes down to personal chose.
>> 
>> For me  Parallels is. Working out  for  me . I hold to  something like  this 
>>  if  it  is  not  broken don’t  go  and  fix it.
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 18:26, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
>>> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in 
>>> coming to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one 
>>> would go to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the 
>>> sighted community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is 
>>> only for the more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter 
>>> for many of us that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform 
>>> better in the real world, especially with the graphics card, which could 
>>> affect us if we want to game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that 
>>> want to use those capabilities for processing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
>>> 
>>> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the 
>>> version of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by 
>>> several voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that 
>>> the company has no plans to address it.
>>> 
> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
 My VO key is caps lock key.
 it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
 
> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some
> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>> Does Anyone have any idea?
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Re: Using Parallels

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I believe that Microsoft does not understand the importans of accessibility for 
such purposes.
You. Can of corse use a windows computer with their own screenreader for 
several tasks but when it comes to using Mac and then you need parallels using 
windows seems to be to much for them to grip.
Just my thoughts though.
/A

> 30 dec. 2023 kl. 19:26 skrev Brent Harding :
> 
> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in coming 
> to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one would go 
> to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the sighted 
> community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is only for the 
> more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter for many of us 
> that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform better in the real 
> world, especially with the graphics card, which could affect us if we want to 
> game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that want to use those 
> capabilities for processing it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
> 
> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version 
> of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several 
> voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the 
> company has no plans to address it.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some 
>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
 keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
 did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
 
 
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 Hi folks.
 I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
 I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
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Re: Messenger for Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use my Ipad or Iphone then I guess.

Thanks anyway for your help.
Bless.
/A

> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 20:24 skrev joseph hudson :
> 
> Hi Anders, I finally managed to download it and find it. However, it appears 
> to be an accessible. Once I downloaded it, I proceeded to go to my downloads 
> folder and open, was able to put in my email address to login, and then I got 
> to the password area and what is unable to type in my password. So, it does 
> not work. I wouldn't waste your time.
> Joseph Hudson
> 
> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@twc.com
> 
> Connect with me on zoom
> 
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Oh, will check things out anyway.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 28 dec. 2023 kl. 20:39 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>> 
>>> They have an app which is fully accessible. The only thing I don’tlike it 
>>> does not seem to give me notifications.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 11:06 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can go to messenger.com and log into Facebook that way it works.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> 
>>>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>>>> jhud7...@twc.com
>>>> 
>>>> Connect with me on zoom
>>>> 
>>>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> I was wondering if there are any accessible way of using messenger for 
>>>>> Facebook on the Mac?
>>>>> On my Ipad thins work quite well but can I use it on the Mac on some way?
>>>>> Bless.
>>>>> /A
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for the 
linux thing.
I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or I 
need to go where you live.
Bless.
/A

> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> situations.
> 
> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> problems started when I got my M2.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Yes of corse.
>> I do understand that.
>> But do things work for you now?
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>>>> Even for linux.
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>>>> free license.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>>>> and mend their ways?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Argh!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janina
>>>>> 
>>>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>>> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>>>>>> license key (free) for Player.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>>>>>> another issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hth
>>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>>>>>>>> Or do you still have the intel?
>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>>>>>>>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes of corse.
I do understand that.
But do things work for you now?
Bless.
/A

> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> the Linux VM for traveling.
> 
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
>> Even for linux.
>> /A
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
>>> free license.
>>> 
>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
>>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
>>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
>>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
>>> 
>>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
>>> and mend their ways?
>>> 
>>> Argh!
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>>>> license key (free) for Player.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>>>> another issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> hth
>>>>> Janina
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>>>>>> Or do you still have the intel?
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
>>>>>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>>>> My e-Mail:
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Re: Messenger for Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Oh, will check things out anyway.
Bless.
/A

> 28 dec. 2023 kl. 20:39 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> They have an app which is fully accessible. The only thing I don’tlike it 
> does not seem to give me notifications.
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 11:06 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> You can go to messenger.com and log into Facebook that way it works.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
>> Connect with me on zoom
>> 
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I was wondering if there are any accessible way of using messenger for 
>>> Facebook on the Mac?
>>> On my Ipad thins work quite well but can I use it on the Mac on some way?
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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Hi!
I was wondering if there are any accessible way of using messenger for Facebook 
on the Mac?
On my Ipad thins work quite well but can I use it on the Mac on some way?
Bless.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I’d rather use an old laptop for such things.
Even for linux.
/A

> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> free license.
> 
> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> 
> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> 
> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> and mend their ways?
> 
> Argh!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
>> license key (free) for Player.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
>>> 
>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
>>> another issue.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
>>>> Or do you still have the intel?
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
>>>>> broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: List of mailboxes gone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Cmd + shift + s  opens a save dialoge for me.
/A

> On 23 Dec 2023, at 16:56, matthew dyer  wrote:
> 
> CMD+shift+S should work.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> What is the shortcut to show the mailboxes list with all the folders I’ve 
>> created.
>> Its not there for some reason which makes med a bit mad.
>> Bless.
>> /A
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Re: E-sims and Voiceover.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Interesting. The European has though.
At least my 15 pro max.
/A

> On 23 Dec 2023, at 00:17, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> What kind of phone is your new phone.
> If it is a new iPhone, it probably doesn’t have a SIM card in it, because in 
> the US, beginning with the iPhone 14, there is not a SIM card slot anymore..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 14:38, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> So this is the bulk of the instructions they sent me so far.  
> ACTIVATE YOUR NEW ESIM TODAY WITH CONSUMER CELLULAR
> eSIM Installation
> Need Help? Give us a call: (888) 345-5509
> Wi-Fi or an existing cellular plan is required to install an eSIM. You do not 
> need a physical SIM card.
> Setup Your Cellular Service with eSIM:
> If your current device has a physical SIM card, please remove it before 
> continuing
> Turn on your phone
> Connect the phone to WiFi
> Follow the on-screen prompts or scan the QR code 
> 
>  below to begin eSIM installation
> After the eSIM has been successfully installed, you will need to restart your 
> phone.
> What's Next?
> New Numbers and Replacement Orders
> Your service is ready to go. If you are changing carriers, please note your 
> old service will no longer work.
> 
> 
> So the whole scanning of the QR code as well as me not knowing how to even 
> remove the SIM card from my phone is what I’m unsure about.
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:14 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> OK cool. Well, whenever you have time, give me a call 254-813-2461. And 
>> we'll see what we can come up with.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
>> Connect with me on zoom
>> 
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d love to talk to you more to see if we can both shed some light on this. 
>>>  Unfortunately, this is the only phone I have, so not sure what to do there.
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2023, at 2:53 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
 
 Well, if you want, I would not mind talking with you and helping you 
 through the process. But the key to this whole thing, is you need to have 
 another phone available that you can talk to consumer cellular on. So that 
 they can give you the codes. And if you are. Upgrading your phone, the one 
 that only does eSIM. Then you'll be starting from scratch. Like I did.
 Joseph Hudson
 
 EmailFaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@twc.com
 
 Connect with me on zoom
 
 https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
 
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:45 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> This is actually my first time having done anything with an e-sim, so 
> this whole process is all new to me.  Sadly, I know nothing about how to 
> even remove/insert a SIM card, so in the past, when I switched carriers, 
> I either just took my phone to a carrier-specific store and let them do 
> it, or let Hannah (my now 14-year-old daughter,) do it, who is really 
> good with just about anything tech-related.
>   However, she’s in Orlando visiting her dad for Christmas, and things 
> got so busy right before she left, that there wasn’t time for me to ask 
> her to help then.
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 2:35 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, sounds like a pain in the rear process. I know whenever I switched 
>> from my iPhone SE to my iPhone 14, and I currently have spectrum, all I 
>> had to do was give them are all they had to do, was give me some numbers 
>> to put in, and my eSIM was successfully activated. If you already have 
>> an eSIM, and not using a physical Sim, on the new device, it will pop up 
>> with a thing to ask you, if you want to activate eSIM once you have 
>> signed into your iCloud and connected to Wi-Fi
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
>> Connect with me on zoom
>> 
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just recently decided to switch to Consumer Cellular, and they 
>>> sent me a huge list of instructions for installing an e-sim, something 
>>> I’ve never done before.  Part of this involves me needing to align my 
>>> phone with an image on my computer screen, if I remember correctly, and 
>>> another step involves needing to scan a QR code, and the rest I’ll need 
>>> to look back at the e-mail they sent me, since it was really long.
>>>  To anybody who has ever done this, how much of this will I be able to 
>>> do with Voiceover, and how much will require something like a team 
>>> viewer session with an Aira Agent 

Re: E-sims and Voiceover.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I live in Sweden and  the phone company I have my subscription at has an app 
which you do all these things in.
Very very easy.
Bless.
/A

> On 22 Dec 2023, at 22:00, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> It might be possible to call them and get them to give you the manual info to 
> do it without the camera. I know the whole ESIM thing used to be a battle to 
> try to transfer to a new phone, but the tricky part of actually shooting the 
> code with the camera is probably getting it to be on screen when one scrolls 
> through the message. If one aims toward the center of the screen and backs 
> away a bit, like one was scanning a piece of mail or something, it may work, 
> and I did it a time or two back when, but with Verizon these days, I don’t 
> need to do it that way.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 1:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: E-sims and Voiceover.
>  
> Wow, sounds like a pain in the rear process. I know whenever I switched from 
> my iPhone SE to my iPhone 14, and I currently have spectrum, all I had to do 
> was give them are all they had to do, was give me some numbers to put in, and 
> my eSIM was successfully activated. If you already have an eSIM, and not 
> using a physical Sim, on the new device, it will pop up with a thing to ask 
> you, if you want to activate eSIM once you have signed into your iCloud and 
> connected to Wi-Fi
> Joseph Hudson
>  
> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@twc.com 
> Connect with me on zoom
>  
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>>  
>> I’ve just recently decided to switch to Consumer Cellular, and they sent me 
>> a huge list of instructions for installing an e-sim, something I’ve never 
>> done before.  Part of this involves me needing to align my phone with an 
>> image on my computer screen, if I remember correctly, and another step 
>> involves needing to scan a QR code, and the rest I’ll need to look back at 
>> the e-mail they sent me, since it was really long.
>>  To anybody who has ever done this, how much of this will I be able to do 
>> with Voiceover, and how much will require something like a team viewer 
>> session with an Aira Agent to finish setting up?
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Re: E-sims and Voiceover.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sounds very complicated to me.
I have ben able to scan qr code but how do you align your phone with a image?
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List of mailboxes gone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What is the shortcut to show the mailboxes list with all the folders I’ve 
created.
Its not there for some reason which makes med a bit mad.
Bless.
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Re: Photos in Time Machine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what I remember you have to view it as you view a list of files.
But I seldom do this so I can’t say for sure.
Bless.
/A

> On 21 Dec 2023, at 23:31, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I’ve pulled out an old portable drive that has Time Machine back ups 
> from my old Mac. I have never gotten used to using Time Machine, let alone 
> searching it. How do I find certain photos or photo folders?
> 
> Oh, how I wish I could search it like a regular folder system.
> 
> Any guidance is appreciated.
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Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not really as I use both browsers.
Firefox isn’t really good at handling some parts of the web with VoiceOver.
/A

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>   For those using Firefox on the Mac, are you using an add-on to sync 
> bookmarks from Safari? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: What's going on with Audio Hijack.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Apple recommends devs not to use this method for their extensions.
That’s how I understand it.
Bless.
/A

> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 01:13 skrev joseph hodge :
> 
> Me as well I’m not quite sure what the issue is!
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 7:03 PM, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>>  I use audio hijack every day, and have adjusted these permissions, and 
>> have no issues at all. Another app I use pCloud, needs the same permissions, 
>> and again, have no issues.
>> 
>> For free audio tutorials Checkout MacForTheBlind’s
>> Podcast <https://mac-for-the-blind.pinecast.co/>
>> Youtube Playlist 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOefEEZcxAG8VxmDYMkETHV1X7sXN64qo>
>> And website  for training and services.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 4:46 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15/12/23 12:42, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>>> I try to upgrade to Audio hijack 4.3  And get this message.
>>>> You now need to adjust your system’s settings to allow ACE to run. In 
>>>> the Mac's “Recovery” environment, you’ll modify the System Security 
>>>> Policy to match the settings pictured below.
>>> Apple's developers are restricting the availability of kernel extensions 
>>> for security reasons. You're using an application that still depends on 
>>> them, so you'll have to follow those instructions if you want to install it.
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, changing the security settings as instructed should be 
>>> possible with VoiceOver. However, I personally wouldn't want to use an 
>>> application that required fundamental security settings to be changed. If 
>>> you want to go ahead, it's at your own risk, and at some stage, Apple may 
>>> well decide to disallow kernel extensions altogether.
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Re: What's going on with Audio Hijack.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, then I will try that.
I hope  there are instructions on google.
/A

> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 13:25 skrev Kliph :
> 
> I use audio hijack every day, and have adjusted these permissions, and have 
> no issues at all. Another app I use pCloud, needs the same permissions, and 
> again, have no issues.
> 
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> Podcast <https://mac-for-the-blind.pinecast.co/>
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> And website  for training and services.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 4:46 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15/12/23 12:42, Anders Holmberg wrote:
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>> Apple's developers are restricting the availability of kernel extensions for 
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>> you'll have to follow those instructions if you want to install it.
>> 
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>> possible with VoiceOver. However, I personally wouldn't want to use an 
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>> you want to go ahead, it's at your own risk, and at some stage, Apple may 
>> well decide to disallow kernel extensions altogether.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
Or do you still have the intel?
/A

> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello all,
>   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
> broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> 
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Re: YouTube audio downloading app

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Are you sure it won’t open?
Sometimes when I think apps not opening they seems to be in the list of apps 
pressing Vo f1 f1.
/A

> 16 dec. 2023 kl. 23:44 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> It won’t open.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:53, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> well, itruns on Ventura. that doesn’t mean itwouldrun on Sonoma I know but 
>> what kind of problems are you having with it?
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:44 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I cannot get it to work with Sonoma.
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 Pontes media downloader works great on the Mac.
 
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I’ve got some YouTube videos from an online seminar that I need to grab 
> the audio from. Haven’t done this in a long time and don’t know what’s 
> out there for software. Is there a good easy and free YouTube audio 
> grabber for either Mac or iOS that you can recommend?
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Re: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
That’s absolutely great that you can not see any bugs.
But  its not  necessary to close all  devices down and disconnect them from the 
network to install iOS.
But maybe you do not have a fast broadband connection.
Then that might help.
But I never use to do that.
/A

> 15 dec. 2023 kl. 20:07 skrev M. Taylor :
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> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
> dare I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
> find a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
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Re: What's going on with Audio Hijack.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have been using Audio Hijack for years so I am not sure what to answer.
Do you have a better solution for recording audio from  Internet than Audio 
Hijack?
If so I can skip that program and  don’t need bothering with the kernel 
extension thing.
Bless.
/A

> 15 dec. 2023 kl. 18:49 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
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> A kernel extension is code  that  modifies the kernel, When CMU created the 
> Mach kernel ( a little like the Linux kernel,… ) it provided the ability to 
> add extensions to extend driver functionality. Apparently Rogue amoeba 
> software requires this to get to the underlying audio streams. Apple 
> discourages kernel extensions for the past 4 or 4 versions, since they can 
> have full access to everything in your computer. But since there are various 
> products that depended on kernel extensions, Apple provides a way for a user 
> to still allow these extensions to run.
> HTH!
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I try to upgrade to Audio hijack 4.3  And get this message.
>> You now need to adjust your system’s settings to allow ACE to run. In the 
>> Mac's “Recovery” environment, you’ll modify the System Security Policy to 
>> match the settings pictured below.
>>  A security policy with “Reduced Security” selected, and the “Allow user 
>> management of kernel extensions” checkbox turned on. image
>> To access the “Recovery” environment, shut down your Mac, then press and 
>> hold the Power button until “Loading startup options” appears.
>> Very frustrating.
>> How to accomplish this.
>> Can it be done with a bluetooth keyboard.
>> Bless.
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Re: What's going on with Audio Hijack.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Since its an audio application I will try to do that.
I have to search google for that then.
/A

> 15 dec. 2023 kl. 23:46 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 15/12/23 12:42, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> I try to upgrade to Audio hijack 4.3  And get this message.
>> You now need to adjust your system’s settings to allow ACE to run. In 
>> the Mac's “Recovery” environment, you’ll modify the System Security 
>> Policy to match the settings pictured below.
> Apple's developers are restricting the availability of kernel extensions for 
> security reasons. You're using an application that still depends on them, so 
> you'll have to follow those instructions if you want to install it.
> 
> As far as I know, changing the security settings as instructed should be 
> possible with VoiceOver. However, I personally wouldn't want to use an 
> application that required fundamental security settings to be changed. If you 
> want to go ahead, it's at your own risk, and at some stage, Apple may well 
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What's going on with Audio Hijack.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I try to upgrade to Audio hijack 4.3  And get this message.
You now need to adjust your system’s settings to allow ACE to run. In the Mac's 
“Recovery” environment, you’ll modify the System Security Policy to match the 
settings pictured below.
A security policy with “Reduced Security” selected, and the “Allow user 
management of kernel extensions” checkbox turned on. image
To access the “Recovery” environment, shut down your Mac, then press and hold 
the Power button until “Loading startup options” appears.
Very frustrating.
How to accomplish this.
Can it be done with a bluetooth keyboard.
Bless.

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Re: Activator, and iPhone transition to USBC

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Hi!
I think I wait for a wile then.
Bless.
/A

> 11 dec. 2023 kl. 16:26 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> So, I wrote to Helptech with Angie’s question.  Unfortunately, the response I 
> received was not what I had hoped for.  Here it is.
> 
> “Thank you for your interest in our Activator. We are aware that the new 
> iPhone generation will be equipped with USB-C. That is why we are already 
> working on a new docking station. This will be available in the first quarter 
> of 2024, i.e. by the end of March at the latest. We will announce the cost of 
> this before Christmas. Unfortunately, I don't know it right now. 
> However, it is also possible (from the new firmware version) to use the USB-C 
> interface directly on the left-hand side of the device instead of a docking 
> station. This has the disadvantages that the Activator and the iPhone are not 
> charged during operation and you cannot use a USB stick (on the docking 
> station).
> The firmware of our Braille displays is constantly updated and adapted to the 
> latest technology as far as possible.”
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> So, it sounds like anyone who purchases now will have to shell out more money 
> for a new dock, once they upgrade to a newer iPhone.  I think that rules me 
> out.
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am not donna but in my opinion I appreciate the cells of the helped displays.
Especially the concave cells they use.
>From what I have read the activator has a query keyboard and braille keyboard.
You just flip it over to switch between the keyboards.
/A

> 8 dec. 2023 kl. 22:27 skrev M. Taylor :
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> Hello Donna,
> 
> I have never heard of the Braille Activator device.  How much does it costs? 
> And why are you considering it over other Braille displays?
> 
> Last week, I purchased a Focus 40 Blue, 5th Generation, Braille display from 
> Freedom Scientific for approximately $4,000.  It is an absolutely stunning 
> device, and I am delighted to have it.  It has a USBC port.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 3:34 PM
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> Subject: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display
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> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille display 
> from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?  I’ve heard really good things about their 
> displays, and this one sounds very cool, but, like all their products, it’s 
> super expensive, so I’m being very cautious as I consider this purchase.  I’d 
> love to hear from anyone who has used it.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
My intention is to have a look at it some day this month.
It seems very cool with both a braille and querty keyboard.
And I love the concave cells on their displays.
Bless.
/A

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> :
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> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille display 
> from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?  I’ve heard really good things about their 
> displays, and this one sounds very cool, but, like all their products, it’s 
> super expensive, so I’m being very cautious as I consider this purchase.  I’d 
> love to hear from anyone who has used it.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: A app to play .aac or Flac files that are created by Amadaes pro?

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Hi!
Airdrop is no issue so you can do that too.
Or iCloud Drive.
/A

> 6 dec. 2023 kl. 23:42 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> Use Dropbox and that will play the files and not having to worry about 
> AirDrop.
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 13:55, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  a  bit  of  a  update, the  audio files are  converted on  my Mac Book  
>> Pro, can  I just  airdrop them to you my  iPad? It  looks like Vlc is  just 
>> for streamed media, from  a  PC, but  this  computer, is a  Mac book  Pro, 
>> it  is a 2022 M2 model. And  just  to  remind everyone the.  iPad  is  a 
>> mini 6th Gen one.
>> 
>> Maurice  Mines.
>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 19:30, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Vlc or foobar2000 can do that.
>>> I also think player classic.
>>> But not sure if Player has an Ipad app.
>>> Vlc has an iOS apans also Foobar2000.
>>> Let me know if you need further help.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 6 dec. 2023 kl. 20:18 skrev Maurice A. Mines :
>>>> 
>>>> Hi  the. Subject  line  says it  all . I  have  a  I pad mini. I record 
>>>> audio files on  a  device that  only records in  Wave format. I wont to  
>>>> listen the  recording of  the  file  on  my  iPad. What  app will  play 
>>>> Theas recordings that  I  am  making?
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Re: A app to play .aac or Flac files that are created by Amadaes pro?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can listen from where ever you want with vlc on the Iphone.
I have files on my Iphone I listen to with vlc.
Bless.
/A

> 6 dec. 2023 kl. 20:55 skrev Maurice A. Mines :
> 
> Hi  a  bit  of  a  update, the  audio files are  converted on  my Mac Book  
> Pro, can  I just  airdrop them to you my  iPad? It  looks like Vlc is  just 
> for streamed media, from  a  PC, but  this  computer, is a  Mac book  Pro, it 
>  is a 2022 M2 model. And  just  to  remind everyone the.  iPad  is  a mini 
> 6th Gen one.
> 
> Maurice  Mines.
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 19:30, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Vlc or foobar2000 can do that.
>> I also think player classic.
>> But not sure if Player has an Ipad app.
>> Vlc has an iOS apans also Foobar2000.
>> Let me know if you need further help.
>> /A
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hi  the. Subject  line  says it  all . I  have  a  I pad mini. I record 
>>> audio files on  a  device that  only records in  Wave format. I wont to  
>>> listen the  recording of  the  file  on  my  iPad. What  app will  play 
>>> Theas recordings that  I  am  making?
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Re: A app to play .aac or Flac files that are created by Amadaes pro?

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Hi!
Vlc or foobar2000 can do that.
I also think player classic.
But not sure if Player has an Ipad app.
Vlc has an iOS apans also Foobar2000.
Let me know if you need further help.
/A

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> Hi  the. Subject  line  says it  all . I  have  a  I pad mini. I record audio 
> files on  a  device that  only records in  Wave format. I wont to  listen the 
>  recording of  the  file  on  my  iPad. What  app will  play Theas recordings 
> that  I  am  making?
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Re: A Question for Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation Braille Display Users

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The Focus 40 works very well on the Mac.
I have the one without braille keys.
Be aware though that there are glitches with braille functionality on the Mac.
At least for me.
I don’t like the menu button on the focus and the  width of the display.
I would love to have the new Helptech activator.

/A

> 3 dec. 2023 kl. 14:17 skrev M. Taylor :
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> Hello All,
> 
> I tried searching the archives but cannot seem to locate any recent threads
> on the following question:
> 
> A couple of days ago I purchased a new Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen braille Display
> from Freedom Scientific.  What a marvelous device.  It works like a champ on
> both the latest version of Windows (with the latest release of Fusion) as
> well as my beloved Windows 7 PC which is running Jaws v15 (The Win7 PC is
> not connected to the Internet).
> 
> I seem to recall that some iOS and/or Mac OS users reported that there was
> some kind of unexpected glitch with the 5th gen braille displays when
> connecting to iOS and / or Mac OS but I cannot remember what the glitch was
> and in which OS it occurred and if the glitch had been resolved in a
> subsequent version of the OS.
> 
> I am going to setup the display with my beloved 14 running the latest
> version of iOS 16 but wanted to check here, first, to see if there are any
> issues of which I should be aware, be fore I start the process.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: Headphones on iPhone 15 Pro

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Hi!
I don’t believe you can change anything in any setting.
Check if the plug is  really connected.
I use bluetooth as this is no issue.
/A

> 17 nov. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Paul Hopewell :
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> Hello,
> I am running IOS 7.1.1 on my iPhone 15 Pro. As I rely on VoiceOver  there is 
> a lot of audio. I listen to this using headphones via a USBC to 3.5 mm jack 
> adapter. 
> Sometimes the audio comes from the iPhone speaker rather than from the 
> headphones which disturbs my wife especially when I wake up in the morning. I 
> then have to enter my phone authentication passcode to get the audio to go to 
> the headphones. 
> Is there anything I can do to force audio to go to the headphones whenever 
> they are plugged in in all circumstances? Any phone settings?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: What is going on with YouTube

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm. Not sure I have seen this.
But YouTube always change things so it might be on their side.
I’ve just gone crazy with all ads.
/A

> 16 nov. 2023 kl. 18:17 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> Ugh, YouTube on Safari with VoiceOver is especially terrible lately. 
> Voiceover seems to get stuck in a loop of repeating words. Usually, verified 
> verified verified.
> 
> Does anyone know what’s going on and are there work arounds?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Music app radio?

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Hi!
Well I can do that so I guess its possible.
Bless.
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> 8 nov. 2023 kl. 22:46 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> I don't think it is possible.
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 14:31, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> Hi, is it still possible to listen to radio internet streams via the music 
>> app? I’m trying to search for a particular station.
>> 
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Re: Apple Cash

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Hi!
Is this Apple Cash something that only exists in the US.
I can not see that here in Sweden yet.
Bless.
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> 2 nov. 2023 kl. 02:53 skrev 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> I believe that if you are paying an individual, you must use Apple Cash, not 
> regular Apple Pay.  Unless, of course, this has changed since last year.  I 
> once had to add some money from my bank account to pay an individual.  I have 
> also had to use it to pay certain types of organizations, such as paying dues 
> to a nonprofit, though I don’t know if this is always the case.  
> 
> If you buy from Apple with your Apple Pay, you get 3% back.  You get 2% back 
> from certain online purchases, and for everything else, as in when you use 
> your physical card you get 1%.  If you buy a big ticket item from Apple, such 
> as an iPhone, iPad, or Mac, you can collect some money in your Apple Cash 
> account.  I also understand that you can now get some type of Apple savings 
> account and use your cash balance as part of it, though I have not done this 
> yet.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2023, at 8:37 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> ok. so if I get that message that says there’s nothing in my Apple Cash 
>> account how do I switch over to Apple Pay?
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2023, at 8:35 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>>> OK, so let me see if I can explain this in terms for you actually 
>>> understanding. So Apple Cash is cash that is available in like your digital 
>>> wallet. That is transferred from your bank account. Or if somebody pays 
>>> you, that's where it goes, and then you can transfer it to your bank. If 
>>> you're using just straight up, Apple Pay, and you don't have any cash on 
>>> your thing, then it will charge from your regular bank card. I hope this 
>>> helps.
>>> 
 On Nov 1, 2023, at 8:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 What’s the difference between Apple Cash and Apple pay? today I tried to 
 pay for something in a store using Apple Pay and it came up saying that my 
 balance for Apple Cash was zero. I didn’t have any trouble with my card so 
 it wasn’t that. what was going on there? I want to be able to use Apple 
 Pay without that kind of interference as I have in the past.
 
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Re: Watch OS 10.1 drains battery

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, well I haven’t really noticed that for my Apple Watch 5 but sometimes it 
could help to reset the watch and start from scratch.
Otherwise you can go to the apple feedback form on apple site.
I can not remember if its apple.com/feedback  or 
feedback.apple.com 
Bless.
/A

> 28 okt. 2023 kl. 02:33 skrev sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com:
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> All:
> Anyone having issues with watch OS 10.1 draining battery? My series 4 doesn’t 
> even last half a day. Its not the age of the watch. Was working fine on Watch 
> OS 9.
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Vän for Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have Nord Vpn on my Mac and my iOS devices.
But its not that good now a days when it comes to streaming from BBC and such.
So i was wondering if there are other accessible vans out there?
For example, is the expressvpn accessible?
Bless.
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Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button on my iPhone

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I wonder what’s going on since I still have sounds on Siri.
I have turn off all haptics as I don’t like that and have an Apple Watch.
I am on the beta so I don’t know if I have  some new feature but I still get  
sound and if you don’t believe me I can send it as an attachment.
/A

> 26 okt. 2023 kl. 00:56 skrev Les Kriegler :
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> Well, this is getting rather interesting. After I announce that I was 
> receiving sounds, I stopped getting them. Now I receive haptic feedback when 
> I press the side button and the sound upon completion of my dictation. I can 
> live with this. I just don’t know why it seems to change, and as you 
> indicated, it’s different for some and that others. Well, now I threw another 
> wrinkle into it. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 5:30 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It can be. However I do not receive haptic feedback when Siri is activated.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 4:23 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Isn't that what haptic is for?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
> On 10/25/2023 2:16 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Actually, I beg to differ with Brad and ET.  My understanding is that 
 there is a visual cue that Siri has been activated, I think it’s some kind 
 of swirling color thing.  I don’t see well enough to confirm that, but if 
 that is true, then it absolutely is an accessibility issue, because there 
 is feedback that sighted users receive that we don’t.
 Best,
 Donna
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:40 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It still doesn’t make sense that we’re not all experiencing the same 
> thing.  Some of us get the Siri sound, many of us don’t, you apparently 
> get a haptic, I don’t, and so on.  I still say write to accessibility.  
> If that is the way Siri now works, it was a dumb change.  (No offense.) 
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> From my understanding, it is not a bug. It is the new way Siri works.
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 08:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Weird!  This is feeling more and more like a bug, given that we’re not 
>> all experiencing the same thing.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2023, at 11:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Sadly, Brad is absolutely correct.  I find the lack of the Siri 
 prompt sound feedback somewhat maddening.
 
 Sad smile.
 
 Mark
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 7:52 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side 
 button on my iPhone
 
 Welcome to iOS 17.
 Siri no longer makes a sound.  You get a haptic instead.
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Oct 24, 2023, at 18:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Anyone know how to fix this?  I’ve looked everywhere in Settings, 
 Accessibility, VO, Siri, and I can’t find it.  And no, my phone is not 
 in silent mode.  iPhone 14 Pro running IOS 17.03.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button on my iPhone

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ios 17.1 release candidate.
But the tone worked before that too.
/A

> 25 okt. 2023 kl. 14:38 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Are you running IOS 17?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Not sure what’s going on with your phone Donna but here on my 12 pro it 
>> works.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 okt. 2023 kl. 02:01 skrev agent086b :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> interesting when I am using my hearing aids I can hear this sound. However 
>>> if bluetooth is turned off I can’t hear it.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Oct 2023, at 10:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know how to fix this?  I’ve looked everywhere in Settings, 
>>>> Accessibility, VO, Siri, and I can’t find it.  And no, my phone is not in 
>>>> silent mode.  iPhone 14 Pro running IOS 17.03.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button on my iPhone

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sounds strange as I can hear it without AirPods or other stuff.
Bluetooth is on and I am sure I hear it.
No halucinations yet.
Bless.
/A

> 25 okt. 2023 kl. 05:20 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Sadly, Brad is absolutely correct.  I find the lack of the Siri prompt sound 
> feedback somewhat maddening.  
> 
> Sad smile.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 7:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button 
> on my iPhone
> 
> Welcome to iOS 17.
> Siri no longer makes a sound.  You get a haptic instead.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2023, at 18:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone know how to fix this?  I’ve looked everywhere in Settings, 
> Accessibility, VO, Siri, and I can’t find it.  And no, my phone is not in 
> silent mode.  iPhone 14 Pro running IOS 17.03.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button on my iPhone

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not sure what’s going on with your phone Donna but here on my 12 pro it works.
Bless.
/A

> 25 okt. 2023 kl. 02:01 skrev agent086b :
> 
> Hi,
> interesting when I am using my hearing aids I can hear this sound. However if 
> bluetooth is turned off I can’t hear it.
> Max.
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2023, at 10:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Anyone know how to fix this?  I’ve looked everywhere in Settings, 
>> Accessibility, VO, Siri, and I can’t find it.  And no, my phone is not in 
>> silent mode.  iPhone 14 Pro running IOS 17.03.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Using Touch ID with sudo in MacOS Sonoma

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Hi!
Its useful if you’re using the command line and have to type the sudo command 
to allow access to several commands and options.
I guess you type sudo and then the command and press enter and then instead of 
entering your password you just use your touchID.
I don’t have a Mac with Touch ID.
Hope this helps.
/A

> 23 okt. 2023 kl. 17:17 skrev Dave Carlson :
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> Sorry, I can’t figure out exactly what to do with this, even though it sounds 
> useful. Can you give step-by-step instructions for me, not being a terminal 
> whiz-bang?
> 
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> On Oct 23, 2023, at 6:35 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> There’s an interesting but not much publicized new feature in MacOS Sonoma: 
> you can enable Touch ID to be used with the sudo command, and this 
> configuration change persists across operating system updates.
> To make the change, copy /etc/pam.d/sudo_local.template to  sudo_local in the 
> same directory, then edit it and uncomment the last line.
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Re: What's going on with Mac and accessibility.

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Hi!
I think I changed something in the navigation tab which I have tried to change 
back.
It seems to help right now but I have to experiment.
/A

> 10 okt. 2023 kl. 19:27 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 10/10/23 13:03, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> I don’t know if I  am having a bad day or if its the latest Sonoma with 
>> Firefox or safari and VoiceOver that has changed but I seem to have a lot of 
>> issues on sites I normally could use with no issue.
>> Some sites works like a charm but some does not work at all.
> 
> Have you updated anything lately? Changed any potentially relevant settings? 
> Might you be having network issues?
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What's going on with Mac and accessibility.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t know if I  am having a bad day or if its the latest Sonoma with Firefox 
or safari and VoiceOver that has changed but I seem to have a lot of issues on 
sites I normally could use with no issue.
Some sites works like a charm but some does not work at all.
On the sites I have tried I can not seem to click on some buttons or at least 
VoiceOver does not react as I wanted it.
Maybe I have to experiment with settings in the web tab of voiceOver settings.
But I tell you that I regret I don’t have a windows computer now or linux 
computer with Orca and firefox.
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Re: Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

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Hi!
I don’t know since I also have a similar mail issue where Sonoma mail app app 
re-focus the voiceOver cursor to the end of the line in. The list of received 
mails.
So when I Vo Arrow down I sometimes only hear the last part of the line where 
the date and subject is.
Can’t explain that better sadly.
Bless.
/A

> 30 sep. 2023 kl. 18:02 skrev Dave Carlson :
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> I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
> moving in/out of the column.
> 
> For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 
> 45. It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.
> 
> I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several items 
> to low verbosity but nothing has changed.
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> Any tips?
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Re: macos 14 Sonoma

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Hi!
Yes me too.
I have the rc here.
/A

> 26 sep. 2023 kl. 01:51 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve been running the beta version, which is now the release candidate. I’ll 
> gladly discuss it after the release.
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of John Dowling <1008...@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, September 25, 2023 at 18:40
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> Google says it comes out tomorrow.
> I'm very interested to see how it works.
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> 
> On Sep 25, 2023, at 18:07, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Is that out now?  I didn’t think it was supposed to come out until tomorrow.
> 
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> On Sep 25, 2023, at 5:45 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: iPhone 15 Reviews

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Hi!
I already know what phone I will get.
Have to upgrade soon as I have a 12 pro with poor battery.
Bless.
/A

> 21 sep. 2023 kl. 05:57 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Bookmarked and will do some reading, thanks Brad.
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> On 9/20/2023 7:11 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> Check out AppleInsider.com
>> - Brad -
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 21:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: Anyone upgraded to IOS 17?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have been using the beta for a long time.
It has some issues. For example your tones might be gone when you upgrade.
THey have made new tones so you have to redo such things.
Otherwhise things works quite fine for me.
Bless.
/A

> 20 sep. 2023 kl. 16:23 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> Hi all,
> 
> I read the AppleVis review, and it sounded like IOS 17 may still have some 
> significant accessibility concerns, so I haven’t yet downloaded it.  Has 
> anyone here upgraded?  If yes, how is it going?
> Cheers,
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Customizing Toolbar in safari.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sighted can right click on the toolbar in safari and then drag several things 
around in the toolbar.
I haven’t found any way to do this with VoiceOver.
Sometimes this could be nice to do.
Has anyone succeeded in doing this?
Bless.
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Re: Remember? Mac mini portable?

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Hi!
I don’t see any reason to make it more portable than it is.
I need a screen though as Sweden has a lot of these QR codes around.
Very annoying.
BLess.
/A

> 13 sep. 2023 kl. 19:57 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> The Mac mini is a very nice, small, compact,  desktop computer. I know this 
> because I have had more than one of these devices.
> 
> But the idea of a Mac mini is a replacement for a laptop is ridiculous.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Sep 13, 2023, at 12:51, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I've never traveled with my Mac mini but it wouldn't be that hard to do as 
> long as there was some place to plug it in. I like it very much. when I have 
> to replace it, it'll be with another Mac mini.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I thave thought about getting one of these. They seem like they would take 
> up less room then my Laptop.
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:54, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Especially if you are blind and don’t need a monitor and can get away with 
>> just a keyboard. 
>> 
>> Mary Ward
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> Hi guys, remember when I wondered if the Mac mini could be used like a 
>> laptop? *Grins, I’m not the only one. There are links and youTube videos on 
>> using the Mac mini on the road with power banks.
>> 
>> I probably wouldn’t go this route, but nifty all the same. I’ve always been 
>> drawn to the small Mac mini, but alas a laptop is a better fit for me. I 
>> need that cordless concept.
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Re: Remember? Mac mini portable?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I have seen one from someone but  it involves welding and other stuff.
/A

> 13 sep. 2023 kl. 18:33 skrev Traci Duncan :
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> Hi guys, remember when I wondered if the Mac mini could be used like a 
> laptop? *Grins, I’m not the only one. There are links and youTube videos on 
> using the Mac mini on the road with power banks.
> 
> I probably wouldn’t go this route, but nifty all the same. I’ve always been 
> drawn to the small Mac mini, but alas a laptop is a better fit for me. I need 
> that cordless concept.
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> Traci
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Re: No luck with Vocr what is missing.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The parallels downloaded something and after that it was just an inaccessible 
screen.
Maybe it was that I had the screen curtain on.
Will try that tomorrow when I am not that tired and nervous.
Sweden is qualifying against Austria in soccer so  its a lot of adrenaline 
pumping here.
Bless.
/A

> 10 sep. 2023 kl. 22:00 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Are you running this on the main screen or the install screen for a VM?
> 
> I do File:New and then VOCR on the resulting screen.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 1:49 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
>> 
>> anders
>> use utm instead
>> vocr are litle tricky to install
>> 
>>> 10 sep. 2023 kl. 20:34 skrev Anders Holmberg :
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I try to installl parallels desktop using Vocr and VOiceOver.
>>> WHen install is complete I get a  screen with just parallels desktop and if 
>>> I use voce on the screen I just get unknown.
>>> I sdo i do not understand how people are using this.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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No luck with Vocr what is missing.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I try to installl parallels desktop using Vocr and VOiceOver.
WHen install is complete I get a  screen with just parallels desktop and if I 
use voce on the screen I just get unknown.
I sdo i do not understand how people are using this.
Bless.
/A

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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The interaction has been my biggest issue since I started with Mac. Now even 
the music app has that in the Apple Music session.
I hate it.
/A

> 8 sep. 2023 kl. 17:21 skrev Brad Snyder :
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> It's not a big deal.
> It's just a key stroke, same as using the arrow keys.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 09:10, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> But that's just it it's extra steps having to use those keys for
> everything. It's always been one of my gripes with using the mac. I
> always feel like I have to do combos for most things.
> 
> On 9/8/23, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email
>> message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from
>> that point onward.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
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>> In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading
>> or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content
>> underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the
>> beginning of the newsletter again.  Even when I route mouse to voiceover I
>> still don’t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using
>> arrow keys.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on
>>> the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is
>>> causing your problems here.
>>> I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft
>>> Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some
>>> cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very
>>> annoying aspect.
>>> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>> 
>>> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
>>> 
>>> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation
>>> and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and
>>> reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a
>>> difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  wrote:
 
 I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
 use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
 with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
 like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
 can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
 couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.
 
 On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
> performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
> 
> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make
> the
> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
> duration.
> 
> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to
> VO.
> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
> 
> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance
> to
> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
> 
> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and
> iOS.
> I hope they fix it soon.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful
>> compared
>> to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
>> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
>> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying
>> “Safari
>> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
>> 
>> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the
>> Mac
>> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip
>> a
>> coin on the decision.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this
>> list
>> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
>> 
>> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a
>> lot
>> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
>> 
>> I think I am mostly 

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Jason!
Do you have linux installed on your Mac?
Bless.
/A

> 8 sep. 2023 kl. 13:27 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the 
> Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your 
> problems here.
> I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft 
> Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some 
> cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying 
> aspect. 
> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  >
> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
> 
> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and 
> even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably 
> navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not 
> impossible task in Apple mail.
>  
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  > wrote:
>  
> I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
> use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
> with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
> like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
> can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
> couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.
> 
> On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
> performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
> 
> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
> duration.
> 
> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.
> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
> 
> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to
> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
> 
> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS.
> I hope they fix it soon.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared
> to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari
> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
> 
> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac
> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a
> coin on the decision.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder,
> should I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I normally do not have issues with such things in mail.
There are other things in the mail app that has gone strange in the beta.
I try my best to give the feedback I can.
/A

> 8 sep. 2023 kl. 03:06 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail application has 
> always respected using the goto header functions.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and 
>> even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably 
>> navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not 
>> impossible task in Apple mail.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
>>> use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
>>> with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
>>> like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
>>> can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
>>> couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.
>>> 
>>> On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
 performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
 
 For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
 exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
 duration.
 
 For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.
 You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
 
 Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to
 get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
 
 The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and 
 iOS.
 I hope they fix it soon.
 
 Hope that helps,
 
 Mohamed E. Fayed
 
 
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared
> to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari
> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
> 
> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac
> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a
> coin on the decision.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder,
> should I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to
> spend $900 on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
> 
> What are your guises thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have an m1 Mac mini and it was a huge difference but safari has gone worse in 
the beta so I use firefox.
/A

> 7 sep. 2023 kl. 19:33 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> Ok, this is mostly good feedback. Thanks. I want to stick with Mac, just 
> because it is far more natural now.
> 
> I do use duck duck go for searching, but constantly get safari not 
> responding. Is Google Chrome preferred?
> 
> I also get music not responding.
> 
> I had heard upgrading to a m2 MBA will make a big difference.
> 
> Thanks all,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in 
>> performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
>> 
>> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the 
>> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter 
>> duration.
>> 
>> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO. 
>> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
>> 
>> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to 
>> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
>> 
>> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS. 
>> I hope they fix it soon.
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared to 
>>> Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously 
>>> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop. 
>>> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari 
>>> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
>>> 
>>> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac 
>>> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a 
>>> coin on the decision.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list 
>>> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
>>> 
>>> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot 
>>> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
>>> 
>>> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about 
>>> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder, should 
>>> I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to spend $900 
>>> on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
>>> 
>>> What are your guises thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> From Traci's MBA20.
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The beta has gone a bit better but there’s still issues.
But if there’s no one testing there will not bee any good results either.
/A

> 7 sep. 2023 kl. 18:58 skrev josephlho...@gmail.com:
> 
> I am normally not a Doom and gloom person, but my experience with the beta
> has been very poor. Using Safari or Microsoft Edge if I'm moving by Headings
> or controls voiceover often crashes and I cannot bring it back. So much with
> web navigation is broken. Top it all off with my message this morning in
> that if I'm just moving literally with the right and left arrow keys through
> a page speech is stopping it's very awful. I'm hoping that maybe just all of
> the voice over things haven't made it into the beta and there will be this
> moment where clarity happens but sadly the Mac doesn't get the sort of
> support it needs from the community and requesting that things get better. I
> actually downgraded my computer back to the current OS and am going to let
> folks report back to what they see. I did file tickets, so I am hopeful. To
> be honest I wouldn't buy a Mac at this moment until I see the end result of
> the final product. I love the Mac hardware nothing really rivals it, but for
> us accessibility is just not trending in the right direction.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 12:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder, should
> I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to spend $900
> on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
> 
> What are your guises thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I am really concerned especially as I am testing out the Sonoma beta.
It has a lot of issues with both mail and safari and braille usage too.
But there seems to be no  other than me on the public beta list that is testing 
the Mac.
In windows you know what you get and you can use nada for example.
I am thinming of going to Linux but then I don’t have Apple Music support so 
its a bit of thinking right now.
And still we should not give up and try to get in touch with the accessibility 
team.
BUt i am both worried and frustrated.
Bless.
/A7 sep. 2023 kl. 18:23 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list 
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot of 
> you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about 
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder, should I 
> get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to spend $900 on a 
> MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
> 
> What are your guises thoughts?
> 
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> From Traci's MBA20.
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Re: bluetooth headset and th mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think you need to clear the headsets device list  and then repair it again.
What Bose headset is it you’re using?
Bless.
/A

> 4 sep. 2023 kl. 19:20 skrev Caitlyn Furness :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to use a bose headset withmy macbook air.  when I turn it on, the 
> headset says pairing with caitlyn's mac, not the macbook air.  How do I fix 
> this?  The mac in question is dead and buried..
> 
> thanks,
> Cait
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Beta testing of Mac anyone?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is anyone here testing the beta of the new Sonoma system.
Its good if you do and you are subscribed to the public beta user group.
Its really needed.
I shouldn’t write this if it wasn’t needed.
We need more testers for the Mac OS.
Bless!
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Re: iOS recording app

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Hi!
Just press record is a good one.
Can be put on the Lock Screen and among your widgets.

> 9 aug. 2023 kl. 22:24 skrev Phil Halton :
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> I’m looking for a simple, no-frills recording app for the iPhone. Just a 
> straightforward record/playback type of app that is easy and uncomplicated to 
> use. Any suggestions?
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> Sent from my IPhone
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