Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Is this feature rolled out in the UK? I can’t seem to find anywhere in 
settings.  

> On 17 Mar 2018, at 12:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Mark. I did not know, as I think it was very early in the morning 
> when I read the article.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 5:37 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Kawal,
>> Did you know that apple products can run apps for controlling amazon 
>> products and therefore it's kind of attached.
>> 
>> Smile, it's better for your health!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2018 5:14 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>> 
>> I thought this was a Apple product list if I wanted to go and look for a 
>> another list discussing Amazon products, then I would have to go to some 
>> other list.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 10:08 pm, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>>> 
>>> It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when 
>>> you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a 
>>> pain having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has 
>>> rolled out a new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to 
>>> listen to back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on 
>>> Alexa's Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for 
>>> a second command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no 
>>> need to wake it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure 
>>> if the device is listening if its blue indicator is on.
>>> 
>>> Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if 
>>> it's in the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't 
>>> respond until it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to 
>>> talk clearly and audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what 
>>> you're saying from background noise.
>>> 
>>> You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing 
>>> follow-up commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the 
>>> conversation:
>>> simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."
>>> 
>>> If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and 
>>> tasks, just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. 
>>> Select the device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good 
>>> to go.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/
>>> 
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Re: Mark on Echo

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi it’s saqib1...@icloud.com 

> On 23 Feb 2018, at 04:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Sure. What's your email address?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
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>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Can you send me the WhatsApp link please as I have 3 devices which are 
>> the Echo, Echo Dot and the Echo Show. 
>> 
>>> On 20 Feb 2018, at 08:07, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Mark, that’s awesome! Glad you are enjoying your new toy. I have a 
>>> Whatsapp group that talks about echo devices. I can send you the invite 
>>> link off list to join if you like. That goes for the rest of this list as 
>>> well. Send me an email off list and I will do the same for you. Happy 
>>> listening!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>>> 
>>>> Well, today I went over to Best Buy and purchased an Amazon Echo Plus.  Of
>>>> course, I got the black-on-black-on-black, model.  (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> I must say that this device is a blast.  
>>>> 
>>>> The iOS Alexa app was a breeze to configure and I was up and running in a
>>>> matter of minutes.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to all of you who replied to my free music iOS app question.  
>>>> 
>>>> From the App Store, I downloaded and created both a free Pandora and iHeart
>>>> Radio account.  From within the iOS Alexa app, I linked these two accounts
>>>> to my Echo and wow!  They work marvelously well.  I have exactly what I 
>>>> want
>>>> with amazing voice control over both.  Alexa is truly incredible.  I love
>>>> the fact that I can create custom radio stations with my voice, only, via 
>>>> my
>>>> Echo as the iOS app is not needed.
>>>> 
>>>> As I stated in my previous post, I have decided to use HomePod for personal
>>>> contacts, tasks, reminders, etc. but, at this time, I'll be using Alexa for
>>>> fun and random music playback, while using HomePod to play my own personal
>>>> music collection.  
>>>> 
>>>> Would you believe it?  After demonstrating my new Echo Plus to some friends
>>>> who had never seen Alexa in action, we went to Best Buy and each of them
>>>> purchased an Echo Dot.  I setup three Dots, today.  So that's 4 Echoes I
>>>> worked with in one day.  (big Smile).  I'm definitely on my way to becoming
>>>> an Echo guru!!!  (Big Smile).
>>>> 
>>>> How wonderful it is that we have such a marvelously accessible  platform
>>>> such as iOS from which to explore so many new and wonderful devices.  Long
>>>> live Apple Inc and its incredible developers.  Also, kudos to the Amazon
>>>> Alexa development team, as well. 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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Re: Mark on Echo

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Can you send me the WhatsApp link please as I have 3 devices which are the 
Echo, Echo Dot and the Echo Show. 

> On 20 Feb 2018, at 08:07, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Mark, that’s awesome! Glad you are enjoying your new toy. I have a 
> Whatsapp group that talks about echo devices. I can send you the invite link 
> off list to join if you like. That goes for the rest of this list as well. 
> Send me an email off list and I will do the same for you. Happy listening!
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> Well, today I went over to Best Buy and purchased an Amazon Echo Plus.  Of
>> course, I got the black-on-black-on-black, model.  (smile).
>> 
>> I must say that this device is a blast.  
>> 
>> The iOS Alexa app was a breeze to configure and I was up and running in a
>> matter of minutes.
>> 
>> Thanks to all of you who replied to my free music iOS app question.  
>> 
>> From the App Store, I downloaded and created both a free Pandora and iHeart
>> Radio account.  From within the iOS Alexa app, I linked these two accounts
>> to my Echo and wow!  They work marvelously well.  I have exactly what I want
>> with amazing voice control over both.  Alexa is truly incredible.  I love
>> the fact that I can create custom radio stations with my voice, only, via my
>> Echo as the iOS app is not needed.
>> 
>> As I stated in my previous post, I have decided to use HomePod for personal
>> contacts, tasks, reminders, etc. but, at this time, I'll be using Alexa for
>> fun and random music playback, while using HomePod to play my own personal
>> music collection.  
>> 
>> Would you believe it?  After demonstrating my new Echo Plus to some friends
>> who had never seen Alexa in action, we went to Best Buy and each of them
>> purchased an Echo Dot.  I setup three Dots, today.  So that's 4 Echoes I
>> worked with in one day.  (big Smile).  I'm definitely on my way to becoming
>> an Echo guru!!!  (Big Smile).
>> 
>> How wonderful it is that we have such a marvelously accessible  platform
>> such as iOS from which to explore so many new and wonderful devices.  Long
>> live Apple Inc and its incredible developers.  Also, kudos to the Amazon
>> Alexa development team, as well. 
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: I Want to Buy a HomePod But, ...

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. The HomePod doesn’t support multiple timers. You cannot pair it to your 
phone either. You can do this with the Amazon Echo. This HomePod has been 
rushed into the market and it’s cost Apple around £250 to assemble and they 
can’t price it less than what it is right now. I’m happy with my Echos as they 
do all the things that the HomePod can’t. I admit Sound is excelent on the 
HomePod but that’s about it. Even Siri is dummer than the Siri you have on your 
phone and neither can compete with Alexa or Google voice assistant offerings. 

> On 16 Feb 2018, at 01:50, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response. Just to clarify, I meant I want to be able to add 
> calendar events, or move them around. As to timers, I'd want named timers, 
> and to have multiple ones. For instance, I'd want HomePod to tell me the 
> cookies are done after 12 minutes, and that the laundry is done after 25.
> 
> Still, multiple accounts is the big one. I want HomePod to know who's 
> speaking, just as Siri already does on phones and iPads. It should then use 
> that person's account to respond to the request. Better still, use Apple 
> Watch authentication to make sure the person speaking is nearby, similar to 
> automatic login on macOS. After all, I could be on the wifi network, but 
> nowhere near the speaker, and HomePod will consider me present right now. 
> That seems like a poor design choice if one has roommates, ornery siblings, 
> and so on.
> 
> I'm sure HomePod sounds incredible, but as someone who likes music but wants 
> the smarts and audio books more than tunes, I can't get behind it as it is 
> right now.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 22:27, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> We decided to return our Home Pod for now. We are waiting for it to, 
>> hopefully, interface with our Sonos home theatre setup. That said, Home Pod 
>> definitely sets timers and alarms. It will say what the upcoming 
>> appointments on the calendar are. Unfortunately, this is currently only for 
>> one user.
>> 
>> Apple Music is not necessary. One can either place music in one's iCloud 
>> account, or purchase Apple Music Match and Home Pod will play said music. No 
>> matter how loud the volume is set, the mic is excellent. I never needed to 
>> raise my voice. And, the unit was able to understand me when I was in rooms 
>> near the lounge where we had the speaker.
>> 
>> The rumour is that Home Pod should interface with Sonos systems when AirPlay 
>> II comes out. As Apple will most likely not raise the price of Home Pod, we 
>> decided to wait until it meets our use case before purchasing.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 15 Feb 2018, at 12:33, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm waiting for, at the very least, the software to improve. I want more 
>>> smarts and less audio perfection, so I need Siri to at least handle 
>>> multiple users' accounts and do things like calendars and named timers.
>>> 
>>> As to the audio jack, I very much doubt it will ever happen. This speaker 
>>> is meant to blend into the background, and interact with wireless streaming 
>>> and speech input/output. In my mind, it will never include an audio jack. 
>>> But Apple could do anything, so don't take my word for it. 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2018, at 20:51, M. Taylor >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I was really considering buying a HOmePod.  However, as I am not subscribed
 to Apple Music nor am I going to subscribe anytime soon, I was hoping that
 the HomePod would have a 3.5mm jack so that I could use it with non-apple
 and/or legacy hardware devices such as my iPod Nanno.  What a bummer that 
 it
 does not have such a port.
 
 Perhaps I'll wait until the next generation model in hopes that they will
 permit legacy-device attachments.  
 
 Thoughts?
 
 Mark
 
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Re: How Apple profits from selling you iPhones with little storage, USA Today

[Saqib Hussain]

One way to avoid these storage plans is to back everything up to a computer.   

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 21:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> How Apple profits from selling you iPhones with little storage
> By Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY Updated 6:49 p.m. PST Feb. 3, 2018 
> 
> LOS ANGELES - Sure, Apple sold a boatload of iPhones in the holiday quarter
> and made a mint.
> But beyond the cash cow that is new iPhone sales, it also revealed how it's
> profiting by selling units that don't have enough room to hold all its
> customers' photos, videos and apps.
> 
> The iconic iPhone maker this week said it shipped 77.3 million iPhones,
> along with 13.1 million iPads and 5.1 million Macintosh computers. 
> 
> But the more interesting number is the growing size of the iPhone army-now
> at 1.3 billion people, up from 1 billion two years ago. 
> "That's 300 million extra people you can sell to," says Patrick Moorhead, an
> analyst with Moor Insights.
> The No. 2 division at Apple is Services -including Apple Music, iTunes,
> iCloud- now brings in more revenue than Macs or iPads, selling software, and
> to Moorhead, it's not music subscriptions and iTunes movie rentals that are
> fueling the charge, "but all those iCloud upgrades." 
> Services grew to $8.5 billion, from just over $7 billion in the year ago
> quarter, thanks to all those folks who probably awoke to nagging messages
> from Apple that their iPhone storage was full, and that they needed to
> upgrade, pronto.
> 
> On the old entry level 16 GB phone, the operating system takes up 4 GB of
> space, and many apps now are so big that they clock in near 1 GB as well.
> Even with the now standard starter 32 GB phone, snap some high-resolution
> photos and videos, hold onto your texts and e-mails and a handful of apps,
> and you're soon maxed out.
> 
> The basic iCloud service is free, but with just 5 GB of storage. Apple sells
> iCloud upgrades starting at 99 cents monthly for 50 GB of storage, or $2.99
> monthly for 200 GB. Unless iPhone users are tech savvy enough to figure out
> alternatives, they will be out of room on their devices within weeks of
> purchase. 
> 
> Based on the trajectory of past performance, if Apple never released another
> iPhone, and just sat back and let Services do its thing, reaping about $8
> billion for each of the next four quarters, it could generate $30-$40
> billion a year in revenues just from storing people's photos and videos, and
> selling them movie rentals and music subscriptions. 
> 
> Think about that for a moment.
> McDonald's, the nation's largest restaurant chain, sells about $25 billion
> worth of hamburgers and such every year. Apple already sells more Services
> than it does Macs; now it's poised to sell more software rentals than
> McDonald's generates with Big Macs.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/02/03/how-apple-profits
> -selling-you-iphones-little-storage/303243002/
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Re: Apple's $349 HomePod speaker is now available to preorder - The Verge

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I have invested heavily in the Amazon Echo system so I won’t be getting 
this HomePod and I don’t rate Siri as Alexa is far more intelligent than Siri 
and actually responds allot better. I manage to get the standard echo, Echo 
Show and the Echo Dot all during the Black Friday and Christmas period and all 
of these devices cost a total of £230 and the HomePod is retailed at £319. 

> On 26 Jan 2018, at 16:03, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this. I'm personally excited for this, which doesn't seem 
> to be the case for everyone at this moment in time, understandably because of 
> rivalries like the Echo or Sonos One. While I have an Echo dot, I am really 
> looking forward to the somewhat major upgrade to my set up. I might be unique 
> also because I'm a massive Apple Music fan compared to the likes of Amazon 
> Music Unlimited and Spotify which are good options but Apple Music is 
> something I'm more willing to commit to than the others. It is however cool 
> to be able to talk to Siri in your home right from Homepod without digging 
> out your iOS device just to talk to Siri. Just my £0.02 worth, and sorry if I 
> appear to be waffling on a bit.
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2018, at 15:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple's $349 HomePod speaker is now available to preorder
>> Stereo pairing and multiroom audio won't arrive until later, though
>> By Thuy Ong, Jan 26, 2018, 8:38am EST
>> 
>> Apple's $349 HomePod smart speaker is now available to preorder through the
>> Apple Store app, with shipping slated to start on February 9th. Despite the
>> delay in the speaker's launch, the HomePod will ship without features like
>> AirPlay 2, which allows pairing and multiroom audio. Apple says those
>> features are "coming this year in a free software update." HomePod is
>> powered by Apple's A8 chip (that first appeared in the iPhone 6) and
>> features built-in Siri, six microphones, HomeKit support to control your
>> compatible smart home devices, and the ability to automatically optimize
>> sound for a given room.
>> We briefly played with the speaker last year. My colleague Dieter called it
>> "a cute little ovoid thing" that "sounds really good in the demos" with
>> "more bass than you expect from such a small speaker." But we'll need to
>> spend some real time with it before we can say it's worth $349.
>> Apple's smart speaker offering is the most expensive of its rivals at this
>> size. The much larger and more powerful Google Home Max costs $399, while
>> the standard Google Home is $129, and Amazon Echo is $99.99. HomePod is also
>> rivaled by the Sonos One smart speaker. To ruffle Apple's feathers, Sonos is
>> offering two Sonos One speakers for $349, the price of a single HomePod.
>> Sonos One supports Amazon Alexa integration, and it's promising Google
>> Assistant integration sometime later this year.
>> The HomePod is available for preorder now in the US, UK, and Australia in
>> black or white. The smart speaker will be available in France and Germany
>> this spring.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/26/16935664/apple-homepod-spe
>> aker-pre-order-price-release-date
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Re: Apple will release a new and cheaper iPhone by July: Report

[Saqib Hussain]

If I didn’t have any vision at all then I would go for this model as it’s cost 
effective for the budget conscious consumer. I only went for the 8+ because of 
the screen size and wireless charging which isn’t that great as it stops 
charging my phone periodically. I thought wireless charging was more stable 
than that so I went back to using my cable instead. 

> On 23 Nov 2017, at 07:23, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> This doesn't surprise me as it's been a couple of years now since the SE came 
> out.
> 
> It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2017 8:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple will release a new and cheaper iPhone by July: Report
> 
> Apple will release a new and cheaper iPhone by July, according to a report
> 
> Apple is preparing to launch a new lower-price iPhone during the first half 
> of 2018, China's Economic Daily News said Wednesday.
> The new iPhone SE 2 will cost about $450 and will be aimed at sales in 
> emerging markets, according to the report, which did not cite sources.
> The report suggested that the iPhone SE 2 will replace the current iPhone SE. 
> That phone was designed to cater to fans of smaller displays and who want a 
> less-expensive iPhone, especially consumers in emerging markets who can't 
> afford Apple's more premium devices.
> 
> Mark Neuling | CNBC
> The Apple iPhone SE is introduced at an Apple event in Cupertino, Calif. on 
> March 21, 2016.
> The iPhone SE has a 4-inch screen, much smaller than the 4.7-inch display on 
> the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8. The current model starts at $349, $200 cheaper 
> than the next most affordable smartphone, Apple's iPhone 7. The iPhone SE 2 
> will cost about $450, more expensive than the current price but still less 
> expensive than the iPhone 7, the Daily said.
> It's likely the phone will have a more powerful processor to run Apple's new 
> iOS 11 operating system.
> Apple was not immediately available for comment.
> Read the full report by the Economic Daily News here.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/22/apple-will-release-a-new-and-cheaper-iphone-
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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a phone that appeals to me.  One 
thing that puts me off is having to wave the phone in front of your face while 
paying for your items. At least with touch ID you can quickly make a payment 
without worrying if it’s going to take a few seconds or not. 

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Because the physical size of the iPhone x is smaller than the iPhone of Plus 
> size..
>  
> The length is approx half an inch shorter and approx. quarter of an inch 
> narrower but the thickness is more
> This is going by the feel of the case I’ve just received and measured against 
> my 7+  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think 
> it’s smaller than the 8+?
> 
> 
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani  <mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Mark, 
>  
> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse 
> & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 
> in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And 
> even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot 
> of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability 
> will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a 
> phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do 
> love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have 
> to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
> another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and 
> is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
>  
> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
> in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
> because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
> without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I 
> get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my 
> phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>  
> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Oh that’s strange!  

> On 13 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It was 
> maybe slightly larger than the standard 8.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think 
> it’s smaller than the 8+?
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mark,
>>  
>> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
>> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
>> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my 
>> purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an 
>> IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really 
>> slick. And even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the 
>> phone for a lot of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the 
>> better photo ability will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy 
>> money to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on 
>> a phone, but I do love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. 
>> This one will have to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify 
>> upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is 
>> still working perfectly and is in good condition. I treated myself and why 
>> not we only live once!
>>  
>> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the 
>> phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by 
>> phone because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have 
>> been without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So 
>> once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for 
>> my phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
>> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>  
>> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
>> From: M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>  
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
>> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>> 
>> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
>> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
>> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
>> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
>> 
>> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
>> fast on me (smile).
>> 
>> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
>> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
>> 
>> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
>> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
>> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
>> the carrier-branded models.
>> 
>> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
>> is not yet available in the US.
>> 
>> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
>> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
>> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
>> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
>> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
>> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
>> 
>> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
>> protector.   
>> 
>> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
>> plus so no added expense, there.
>> 
>> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
>> 
>> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
>> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
>> 
>> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
>> I'm feeling chatty

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think it’s 
smaller than the 8+?

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>  
> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse 
> & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 
> in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And 
> even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot 
> of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability 
> will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a 
> phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do 
> love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have 
> to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
> another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and 
> is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>  
> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
> in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
> because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
> without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I 
> get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my 
> phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>  
> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: M. Taylor <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8  Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. You will have to get a new case as it will partially block the rear camera. 
I couldn’t use my 6S+ case on my 7+ and 8+. 

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 04:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
> 
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[Saqib Hussain]

Hi   Since upgrading to IOS11 I have lost all my keyboard shortcuts and I have 
to create all those shortcuts again   Is their anyway I can get  them back?

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Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. This morning I read an article where younger sibling managed to unlock an 
iPhone 10 and they were most definitely not twins. Mac rumours has the story. 

> On 1 Nov 2017, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, you are correct with respect to the identical twins aspect of this 
> feature, although photos, masks and such have no bearing in this process as 
> the identification process is a 3D process, therefore, 2D photos are 
> immaterial.  This can be affirmed in the same article you partially posted.  
> My main point is that we need to be careful when posting opinions of 
> potential, unproven deficiencies.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:36, Robin  wrote:
> 
> No, I,Robin do NOT have any Proof that Apple's TouchID is More or Less Secure 
> than its NEW FaceID
> Although
> I have Heard News that Identical Twins Privacy & Security is More Secure with 
> TouchID as Opposed to its FaceID based on Early Reports  of Apple's FaceID on 
> its ForthComing Anniversary Eidition of the iPhone, the iPhoneX (Pronounced 
> iPhone10)
> 
> People  don't have the Same FingerPrints, but Photos  or Faces can be 
> Identical as IN Identical Twins
> 
> I,Robin Learned through MyStudy of Forensics (Forensic Science) that 
> FringerPrints  Vary from 1 Individual TO Another (Individual)
> At 08:30 AM 11/1/2017, you wrote:
>> Hi Robin,
>> 
>> do you have some credible source to support your belief about the level of 
>> security of a Face ID vs a finger-print sensor?  I'm not sure if one is 
>> actually more secure than the other, just another method to do things.  As 
>> I've mentioned a few times before, when the finger-print sensor was first 
>> introduced on the iPhone, there was tons of noise made about it's probable 
>> lack of security compared to the good old pass-code.  Now that we've had it 
>> for a while, many people are making it sound like it's the best thing yet 
>> and anything new won't do.  We are all welcome to our opinions, but I 
>> believe that it is beneficial to base these opinions on sound research, 
>> rather than hear-say.  You may be right in the end, I'm really not sure, but 
>> I haven't seen anything but arm-chair opinions so far.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:05, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says So?
>> Personally, I Beleive
>> Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than Apple's 
>> Face ID
>> 
>> Would Apple  go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by  Having it 
>> be the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID  for a Couple of Years to 
>> Justify the Price?
>> Probably Not
>> At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products case.
>>> 
>>> But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may still 
>>> struggle.
>>> 
>>> I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition some time 
>>> soonn as they did pretty quickly with samsungs galaxy s8 version of it.
>>> Which I believe is only retinal scan. Or was it iris scanning.
>>> 
>>> But either way,
>>> If the looking directly at the phone / screen feature is auto disabled if 
>>> vo is active, is that not a good feature for us as they have seen there may 
>>> be an issue for blind / VI users looking actually at the phone camera.
>>> To me this is a forward thought.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 
>>> hours - CNET
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> While I don't wish to minimize anyone's concerns, Face ID even without the 
>>> eye contact feature is still very secure.  You basically need to be a twin 
>>> to be able to fool the system from most things I've heard or read.  When 
>>> the finger-print sensor was first introduced on the iPhone, there was quite 
>>> a bit of noise made about possible security flaws, and now we're touting it 
>>> as more secure than Face ID.  I'm just not confident in many of these 
>>> opinions out there.  Joe Public just doesn't have the in-depth data 
>>> required to do a proper assessment of its true security risks.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 17:32, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The thing that makes me sad is that Apple, by all accounts, including 
>>> theirs, is abandoning touch ID completely on the phone. The security issue 
>>> is specifically if you disable that part of face id that requires you to 
>>> actually look at the phone. I think I read that this will be off by default 
>>> if the system detects VO is in use. And this means there is less security 
>>> to the 

iPhone storage

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Hi in IOS 11 you get the full amount of storage  I’m getting full use of my 
available 64GB and this wasn’t the case in 10!  Have they partitioned of the OS?

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Re: Speech Rate

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Hi. Thanks. Is there a tutorial for all these new commands? It took me for ever 
to learn the Mac as I only ever turned on my machine twice per week and now the 
commands have changed. 

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 08:44, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi. If you're trying to adjust speech rate on the Mac, the command to adjust 
> speech attributes has changed. Now in addition to pressing VO+Command, the 
> shift key has to be added. So to change speech rate, press 
> VO+Command+Shift+Right arrow to go to rate and then up and down arrows to 
> adjust it. HTH.
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>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>> Hi. How do I adjust the speech rate as I can no longer do this as the option 
>> isn’t in the roster and how do I stop VO from telling me that something is 
>> miss spelt? 
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Re: Twitter client on the Mac

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Hi. I have to tab to the reply option now. 

> On 14 Oct 2017, at 14:22, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
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> This has been a problem for a while at least with my mac.
> 
> Matthew
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> Hi. For some reason I can no longer reply to a tweet as the option is dimmed. 
> I cannot like a tweet either. Has anyone experienced this? 
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Hi. How do I adjust the speech rate as I can no longer do this as the option 
isn’t in the roster and how do I stop VO from telling me that something is miss 
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Twitter client on the Mac

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Hi. For some reason I can no longer reply to a tweet as the option is dimmed. I 
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Re: VI people will not be excluded from Face ID for I phone 10.

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Hi. Why not wait until next year and the price of the iPhone X will drop to 
£800 as I can’t see why someone would spend £1000 on a phone which doesn’t do a 
great deal more than the iPhone 8. Ok it looks quite sexy without the home 
button and it unlocks with Face ID but really? would you not rather spend your 
money on things that you need rather than what you desire? 
> On 15 Sep 2017, at 00:59, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I am the opposit.
> No iphone is going to come into my house this year.
> I’d rather spend money on a couple of musical instruments i found to be 
> intresting.
> Also the Nokia 8 atracts me more since you can reccord in 360 degreeze with 
> it.
> BUt ofcourse this is up to anyone to decide.
> I haven’t heard much of any new mac from the event so i expect there will be 
> no new Imac coming this fall.
> /A
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>> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 12:39 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> I have spoken to Apple Accessibility.
>> 
>> They have assured me that Face ID will work with Voice Over so no one needs 
>> to worry about not being able to use the I phone 10.
>> 
>> I am excited.  I want one of those.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

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Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home button 
and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home button. 
> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home 
> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable 
> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that 
> easily findable with VO.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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>> Mary,
>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button in 
>> the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is concerned, we 
>> have an app switcher for that.
>> 
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Hi. For some reason I’m seeing my Gmail messages in my iCloud inbox and I 
didn’t associate the Gmail account with my Mac e-mail client. How do I stop 
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. The screen is a bit of a downgrade as it’s the same quality as the one on 
the iPad Air. I wouldn’t purchase this model as it is fragile and far from 
being solid. The Pro line is a better option or stick to the Air 2. 
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 08:23, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Alex,
>  
> Yeah those are the only things I could really see.
>  
> Processor as the a9 is still behind the iPhone 7x processor but think the a10 
> is in  the pro iPads,
>  
> Better screen slightly lighter and I wasn’t sure for a start but is the price 
> really down slightly?
>  
> Here in nz the 5 128 GB models are: 699 for wifi,
> 919 for wifi / cellular 
>  Still bloody costly,
>  
> I’m happy currently with my mini 4 
> Would bein heaven if I could rdp in t o my windows machines and macs for that 
> matter with speech access.
>  
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> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:00 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"
>  
> The reasons I can see are:
>  
> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
>  
> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
>  
> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the price 
> to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>  
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>  
>  
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
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> Hi Folks,
>  
> Guessing others have heard this,
>  
> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
> The new iPad 5  9.7” 
> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Strangely enough, My phone was erased during the early hours of this 
morning by using the Find my iPhone app. I was shocked as no one else had my 
password. I was advised to change my password by apple and that is what I have 
done. 
> On 9 Mar 2017, at 15:30, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   That's what "stolen" means, something was taken without one's consent.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 3/9/2017 12:38 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>> I dont know anything about it , but let me put it like this, no one
>> touch my i-devices. At least not with out my consent
>> 
>> On 3/8/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I’m not sure about the end user but I know the carrier can still track the
>>> phone even if it’s wiped .  Probably the end user can not though if a full
>>> wipe has taken place.
>>> 
 On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, you can find it with some restrictions.  The iPhone needs to be on
 and connected to a network.  Putting it in Lost Mode will help to restrict
 use of it though as it will, I believe, lock it up as soon as connection
 is made.  Once you erase the phone, though, I believe that you no longer
 have any ability to locate it.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:23, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
 
 interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...
 
 On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my Iphone
> so
> i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
> A question though.
> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re used
> to
> something faster.
> But it works so thats not a problem.
> /A
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Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi./ BlindSquare now announces bus stops and you can also add landmarks like 
stops to your favourites.
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 03:37, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready to 
> purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, and i have 
> been debating if the bus time announcements were worth the cost of Nearby 
> Explorer.
> 
> The major GPS issues i have with the low cost solutions I currently use is 
> for the last few yards and i am not sure either of these Apps will help. 
> Examples are is my bus stop here or at the next pole? Or when there are six 
> bus stops clustered near a train stop. Or thirdly where is the front of the 
> building i just walked ten blocks to. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> For bus / train public transit, I very strongly encourage trying an app 
>> called moovit.
>> 
>> Moovit is the only public transit app I have used which automatically, and 
>> consistently, announces the stop where I need to get off the bus just before 
>> the stop. It gives a couple announcements, one from a couple hundred metres 
>> before (at the previous bus stop (so one can trigger the stop request 
>> signal), and one when it is time to get off the bus. These announcements 
>> occur when the live route tracking is active. The walking between bus stops, 
>> to the first bus stop, and to the final destination, is not very good for 
>> the blind pedestrian, but the actual bus and train travel announcements are 
>> better than any other app I have used.
>> 
>> Between bus stops, and to my destination, I usually use Apple Maps. My 
>> fiancé, on the other hand, prefers Google Maps. She is sighted, and finds 
>> its visual layout to be much more appealing.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
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>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 2/03/2017, at 03:40, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, 
>>> 
>>> The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use GPS. When 
>>> you travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles? 
>>> 
>>> If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or just 
>>> hearing the street names as you go? 
>>> 
>>> When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are you taking 
>>> public transit? 
>>> 
>>> both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to plan 
>>> routes or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending the money on 
>>> Nearby Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but maps are 
>>> available when you don’t have coverage which is nice. If you ever worked 
>>> with the Trekker in its original form, this app is as close to its supreme 
>>> functionality and easy learning curve as anything I’ve seen. 
>>> 
>>> That said, if money is an issue and you just want to hear intersecting 
>>> streets and POIs, BlindSquare is great. It does much more but is a bit more 
>>> technical or involved in how it gets you there. It does not do route 
>>> planning in advance unless going through another app like Maps, Google Maps 
>>> or Seeing eye GPS. 
>>> 
>>> As always, just my opinions here. Your mileage will no doubt vary.
 On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Now that we're moving back to a real city--at least relatively 
 speaking--I'm thinking about using my phone a little more for GPS and 
 related tasks.  I'm thinking about nearby explorer, but it comes with a 
 pretty hefty price tag.  Does it offer any significant advantages over 
 Blind Square?
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Re: 2 mail questions on Sierra

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I just do a VO and J to jump into the body of the message. It’s quicker 
than opening and closing a message. 
> On 27 Feb 2017, at 21:20, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I use the e-mail on the Mac as Mark has described.  However, if a message is 
> too long, then it doesn't read all of it so you need to press the enter key 
> to open the message and explore what it says.  Also if you have one message, 
> voice over won't read that automatically for me so I need to open it.
> 
> I would never use mail in the classic view and prefer Mark's method despite 
> having to open one message at times.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 27 Feb 2017, at 02:47, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> First, I suggest that you use the Standard view in Mail as opposed to the 
>> Classic view.
>> 
>> Assuming this is your setup, then, when you interact with the message table, 
>> land on a collapsed message thread, you only need to open the thread with 
>> the right arrow key, then use the up and down arrow keys to place focus on 
>> each individual email in the thread.  As you land on each item, VoiceOver 
>> will read the contents of the email, automatically.
>> 
>> My point is that it is not necessary to manually open each message in a 
>> thread in order to have it read, automatically, by VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Mark 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:13 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: 2 mail questions on Sierra
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> Am using Sierra here, and while navigating through my messages, I have
>> 2 difficulties:
>> 1- Vo always says 14 messages in thread  and so on, is there a way to 
>> let Vo read the sender name and the subject like on the main site?
>> 2- when I need to read a thread, I open a message with Alt+o, read the 
>> message then close it, and open another 1, is there an easier way to do so 
>> instead of doing this?
>> Tanks
>> 
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Re: Blind Cricket

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Is it best to play the shot early to get more runs or play it late.  

> On 24 Feb 2017, at 00:15, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> It is not the pressure, it is the timing for getting more runs.
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>> On 24/02/2017, at 05:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
>> FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
>> But someone told me it can be quite fun.
>> So where can it be played?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 19:49 skrev Saqib Hussain :
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>>> see this game being very appealing to American list members because the 
>>> sport isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
>>> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
>>> pressure will return different results when it comes to scoring runs. 
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Re: Blind Cricket

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Just download it from the App Store as it's from the same people who 
created  Audio Game Hub

> On 23 Feb 2017, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
> FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
> But someone told me it can be quite fun.
> So where can it be played?
> Thanks.
> /A
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>> 
>> Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to 
>> say the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see 
>> this game being very appealing to American list members because the sport 
>> isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
>> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
>> pressure will return different results when it comes to scoring runs. 
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Blind Cricket

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to say 
the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see this 
game being very appealing to American list members because the sport isn’t 
popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me different. I 
think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of pressure will return 
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Re: Question re Fruitpot on IOS

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I downloaded this game and I’m afraid it’s one of the archives because I 
simply don’t get it when it comes to games like this. 
> On 1 Feb 2017, at 20:46, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks. I got it figured out, but my question was actually about what to do 
> when one of the reels showed nudge.  I've got it sorted out, now, though.  
> Thanks!
> Cheers,
> Donna 
>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Appleman  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> You would use the nudges if you were trying to spin 3 of the same fruit. For 
>> example, you have an apple for reel 1, apple for reel 2 and grapes for reel 
>> 3. Towards the right hand side of the screen, there is a nudges button. 
>> Double tap this. Voiceover will announce, "Select the reel you wish to 
>> nudge". Now double tap on reel 3 until you receive another apple. If you 
>> happen to run out of nudges, another alternative is to use holds. In this 
>> case, you would double tap on the "Holds" button. After Voiceover announces, 
>> "Select the reel you wish to hold", you would select reels 1 and 2, both 
>> containing apples, and double tap the spin button. Hopefully you would 
>> receive another apple when you spin.
>> I hope I haven't confused you further. It's a great game and very addictive.
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded this game, so sorry if I'm missing something basic.
>>> 
>>> Now, when I spin, there are reels that say "Nudge."  What is that for and 
>>> what am I supposed to do with those?  I've tried tapping them, but that 
>>> seems to just spin the wheel.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: How Apple alienated Mac loyalists

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Not really. The Mac Mini cost £399 and the MacBook line is anything from 
£800 up to £2000 these days. 
> On 27 Dec 2016, at 22:32, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I would have thought the  Desktop offerings were more expensive than the 
> portable offerings??
>> On 27 Dec 2016, at 14:41, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I was disappointed with Apple not refreshing the Mac Mini line. I might 
>> have to go back to Windows if it isn’t refreshed next year because I can’t 
>> afford the Apple laptops. 
>>> On 24 Dec 2016, at 15:24, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It may be that Apple is focusing more of their time on devices such as the 
>>> iphone, apple watch, etc, but I agree that they do upgrade the macs much 
>>> less frequently. Another thing I have heard, and I agree with is that Apple 
>>> is making their computers much more difficult to upgrade yourself. With the 
>>> mac minis between 2010 and 2013, you could upgrade the memory yourself, but 
>>> starting with the 2014 model, the memory is on the board, making upgrades 
>>> pretty much impossible. Also, the newer macbook pros have the same issue. 
>>> Wonder if apple will still release a new operating system each year, guess 
>>> we will have to wait and see.
>>>> On Dec 24, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Listers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> For anyone that is interested I thought you might like a read.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Personally I fully agree with what the article is saying .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Simon F
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> PS. Merry xmas to all and have a great new year.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/87802024/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
>>>> 
>>>> How Apple alienated Mac loyalists
>>>> Making a laptop stand out is also harder these days. But when Apple has 
>>>> tried to leapfrog the competition, it has fallen short.
>>>> 
>>>> To die-hard fans, Apple's Macintosh sometimes seems like an afterthought 
>>>> these days.
>>>> 
>>>> Mac upgrades, once a frequent ritual, are few and far between. The Mac 
>>>> Pro, Apple's marquee computer, hasn't been refreshed since 2013.
>>>> 
>>>> The affordable and flexible Mac mini was last upgraded in 2014. And when a 
>>>> new machine does roll out, the results are sometimes underwhelming, if not 
>>>> infuriating, to devotees.
>>>> 
>>>> In October, after more than 500 days without an update, Apple unveiled the 
>>>> new MacBook Pro, with a slimmer design and louder speakers. The laptop 
>>>> garnered mostly favourable reviews from the technology press but grumbles 
>>>> from creative types, a key constituency, who said the device 
>>>> under-performed rival products.
>>>> 
>>>> Interviews with people familiar with Apple's inner workings reveal that 
>>>> the Mac is getting far less attention than it once did. They say the Mac 
>>>> team has lost clout with the famed industrial design group led by Jony Ive 
>>>> and the company's software team.
>>>> 
>>>> READ MORE:
>>>> * Review: MacBook Pro
>>>> * Has Apple abandoned computers?
>>>> * Laptops just got frighteningly expensive
>>>> 
>>>> They also describe a lack of clear direction from senior management, 
>>>> departures of key people working on Mac hardware and technical challenges 
>>>> that have delayed the roll-out of new computers.
>>>> 
>>>> While the Mac generates about 10 per cent of Apple sales, the company 
>>>> can't afford to alienate professional designers and other business 
>>>> customers. After all, they helped fuel Apple's revival in the late 1990s.
>>>> 
>>>> In a stinging critique, Peter Kirn, founder of a website for music and 
>>>> video creators, wrote: "This is a company with no real vision for what its 
>>>> most creative users actually do with their most advanced machines."
>>>> 
>>>> If more Mac users switch, the Apple ecosystem will become less sticky - 
>>>> opening the door to people abandoning higher-value products like the 
>>>> iPhone and iPad.
>>>> 

Re: How Apple alienated Mac loyalists

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I was disappointed with Apple not refreshing the Mac Mini line. I might 
have to go back to Windows if it isn’t refreshed next year because I can’t 
afford the Apple laptops. 
> On 24 Dec 2016, at 15:24, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It may be that Apple is focusing more of their time on devices such as the 
> iphone, apple watch, etc, but I agree that they do upgrade the macs much less 
> frequently. Another thing I have heard, and I agree with is that Apple is 
> making their computers much more difficult to upgrade yourself. With the mac 
> minis between 2010 and 2013, you could upgrade the memory yourself, but 
> starting with the 2014 model, the memory is on the board, making upgrades 
> pretty much impossible. Also, the newer macbook pros have the same issue. 
> Wonder if apple will still release a new operating system each year, guess we 
> will have to wait and see.
>> On Dec 24, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For anyone that is interested I thought you might like a read.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Personally I fully agree with what the article is saying .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PS. Merry xmas to all and have a great new year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/87802024/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
>> 
>> How Apple alienated Mac loyalists
>> Making a laptop stand out is also harder these days. But when Apple has 
>> tried to leapfrog the competition, it has fallen short.
>> 
>> To die-hard fans, Apple's Macintosh sometimes seems like an afterthought 
>> these days.
>> 
>> Mac upgrades, once a frequent ritual, are few and far between. The Mac Pro, 
>> Apple's marquee computer, hasn't been refreshed since 2013.
>> 
>> The affordable and flexible Mac mini was last upgraded in 2014. And when a 
>> new machine does roll out, the results are sometimes underwhelming, if not 
>> infuriating, to devotees.
>> 
>> In October, after more than 500 days without an update, Apple unveiled the 
>> new MacBook Pro, with a slimmer design and louder speakers. The laptop 
>> garnered mostly favourable reviews from the technology press but grumbles 
>> from creative types, a key constituency, who said the device under-performed 
>> rival products.
>> 
>> Interviews with people familiar with Apple's inner workings reveal that the 
>> Mac is getting far less attention than it once did. They say the Mac team 
>> has lost clout with the famed industrial design group led by Jony Ive and 
>> the company's software team.
>> 
>> READ MORE:
>> * Review: MacBook Pro
>> * Has Apple abandoned computers?
>> * Laptops just got frighteningly expensive
>> 
>> They also describe a lack of clear direction from senior management, 
>> departures of key people working on Mac hardware and technical challenges 
>> that have delayed the roll-out of new computers.
>> 
>> While the Mac generates about 10 per cent of Apple sales, the company can't 
>> afford to alienate professional designers and other business customers. 
>> After all, they helped fuel Apple's revival in the late 1990s.
>> 
>> In a stinging critique, Peter Kirn, founder of a website for music and video 
>> creators, wrote: "This is a company with no real vision for what its most 
>> creative users actually do with their most advanced machines."
>> 
>> If more Mac users switch, the Apple ecosystem will become less sticky - 
>> opening the door to people abandoning higher-value products like the iPhone 
>> and iPad.
>> 
>> WINDOWS NOW AN OPTION
>> 
>> The Mac Pro, right, Apple's marquee computer, hasn't been refreshed since 
>> 2013.
>> 
>> People now have more options. Microsoft, once derided by Mac loyalists for 
>> its clunky, buggy software, offers Windows 10, which provides the tablet 
>> type functionality Apple pioneered with the iPad.
>> 
>> Microsoft's Surface computers offer Apple-esque quality and a well-reviewed 
>> creative paint program aimed at the Mac's audience. Sensing an opportunity, 
>> Microsoft called the MacBook Pro a "disappointment" and said more users than 
>> ever were switching to its Surface laptops.
>> 
>> An Apple spokesman declined to comment. However, the company has said the 
>> Macintosh remains one of its most important products and denies it takes a 
>> back seat to other gadgets.
>> 
>> Four years ago at Apple's annual developer conference, marketing chief Phil 
>> Schiller pledged to keep the computer front and centre in the company's 
>> product arsenal. "Nobody turns over their entire line as quickly and 
>> completely as we do at Apple," Schiller said. "We're really proud of the 
>> engineering team and the work they do to do this quick so you can get the 
>> exact product you need." 
>> 
>> To be fair, Apple depends on Intel, which still makes key chips for Macs. 
>> Like the rest of the PC industry, Apple's innovation and product cycles are 
>> sometimes constrained by when Intel produces new chips - a process that's 
>> getting more difficult.
>> 
>> Making a laptop

Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not hearing 
any audio when I open a live photo? 
> On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying attention 
> to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I believe that this 
> is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10 and Sierra, over 4000 
> objects can be recognized.  For example, you could enter snow in the search 
> field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in your Photos Library with 
> snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find things by asking her 
> things like, "Could you find all my photos with a dog in the picture?"  It 
> will then put the results into a collection for you so you can check them 
> out.  This moves beyond just the people and places search ability, so is 
> becoming very interesting from a VO user's prospective.
> 
> I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone is 
> half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite 
> well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture results 
> since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and such.
> 
> Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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Re: Reading of News Articles Using the Actual Twitter Client

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Just arrow right twice. It took me a while to figure that out. 
> On 13 Dec 2016, at 07:16, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the actual Twitter client and installed it on my Mac mini, and 
> I’m wondering how to get to the actual articles..  When I’m down-arrowing 
> through my timeline, and find a posted article I’m interested in reading, if 
> I hit enter on the article all I seem to see is “Tweet Details” or compose a 
> new tweet.  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated so I don’t have to 
> run and grab my iPhone anytime I want to look at my timeline on Twitter.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
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Re: iPhone 7/7+

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I’ve always had my 6S+ in me frond pocket and it’s never been a problem as 
I always buy jeans with deep pockets. 
> On 8 Dec 2016, at 04:40, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Your iPhone is much safer in your pocket than e-cigarettes or a Samsung S7, 
> yes?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/7/2016 7:28 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> You know, I’ll admit to an irrational fear here.  I’ve never carried my 
>> phone in my front pocket.  I’m a belt clip man.  I logically know there’s no 
>> problem and on paper the math shows me I’m right but there’s something about 
>> all the Microwave radio experience I have and the idea of putting a 
>> transmitter that close to the family jewels.;). I know that in reality the 
>> phone is so low power that it won’t do anything but bounce off the outer 
>> layers of the skin and I also know the inverse square law applies but I know 
>> the inverse square law works even better from my belt on the side than from 
>> my front pocket.:)
>> 
>> haha
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I come to think of one thing.
>>> I have big hands, at least long fingers but for some reason i don’t like 
>>> big phones.
>>> Thats very strange but i think it has to do with that i can’t have them in 
>>> my front pocket.
>>> /A
 7 dec. 2016 kl. 04:05 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 The larger battery is a big reason, the larger screen size as I have 
 larger hands and the extra gig of memory that the 7 doesn’t have.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:47 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Weather permitting, I should be getting one of the above. Having looked 
> at the specs, 3 things that differ between the two models.
> 
> Screen size/overall size, camera and battery life.
> 
> Those of you who have used both, do you find any of these factors 
> compelling enough to push you to the plus?
> 
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Re: google play music on the mac

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. One thing I like about Apple music is that I can use it across all my 
devices such as my Mac Mini, iPhone and Apple TV. What more could I ask for? I 
had canceled my GooglePlay Subscription because it’s not available on the Apple 
TV or the Mac. 
> On 23 Nov 2016, at 14:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
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> I'm just curious what you didn't find to be satisfactory about Apple Music.
> 
> Honestly, I have both it and Google Play Music through means of a Youtube Red 
> subscription which comes with Google Play Music as well, believe it or not.
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> Subject: google play music on the mac
> 
> 
> so I have cancelled my apple music membership with the desire to find a 
> service more desirable. I was looking at a couple of services such as spotify 
> and google play music. How’s the accessibility status of the spotify app on 
> the mac? As I understand it after reading the post on Applevis, the mac app 
> isn’t very accessible. Does google play music have an accessible mac app?
> Thanks
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Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I use the Sony SBH60 Bluetooth stereo headset and it’s good for calls and 
has plenty of base which is good for listening to EDM. They also supply a 3.5m 
audio code so you can plug your headset in when the battery dies. Battery life 
is good with 10 hours of playback time. 
> On 15 Nov 2016, at 21:31, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now I 
> have a need for a specific type of headset. 
> 
> I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
> minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the phone 
> and a control for bass/trebel. 
> 
> I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.
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Re: KNFB Reader on Iphone

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Hi. Eye Of Providence is a app that matches the KNFB Reader for accuracy when 
it comes to scanning results. 10 pics free and then you can by a bundle of 100 
pics.  

> On 15 Nov 2016, at 13:27, becky knaub  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> I'm not sure if it will or not. Sometimes things like that will but if 
> there's any kind of glare or anything it won't. I would suggest if you need 
> to read the computer screen using TapTapSee, Be My Eyes or BeSpecular. I have 
> used TapTapSee and Be My Eyes to read things on the computer that VoiceOver 
> wasn't reading.
> 
> Becky and Hazel
> 
> On Nov 15, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I have had luck with this as well as reading screens of devices with 
>> dedicated LCD or LED screens that don’t have any sort of accessibility 
>> features.
>> 
>> To be honest, KNFB reader always surprises me with what it actually reads.  
>> The iPhone 7+ does a very good job as well but I’ve had remarkable results 
>> from the 6 forward.
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> of cores everyone is searching to  find the best accessibility tools
>>> to help surviving in life, and I read about the KNFB reader on Iphone,
>>> the only thing that will make me buy it is, does it read the computer
>>> screen, if I  found something that I could not read with Voice over?
>>> this is the most important part for me. because,  the KNFB reader will
>>> not read Arabic, but if it can read the computer screen, I will buy it
>>> now.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Losing Focus

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Hi. For some reason Voiceover Focus is no longer landing on new notifications 
like messages and I don’t know how to get to them without using the mouse. How 
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

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Hi. I am disappointed that there is no update to the Mac Mini line. I’m using 
the 2014 model and was hoping to upgrade again next year! I think the desktop 
is dead for sure now. There is no way I’m shelling out over £2000 for an up to 
date machine with a touch bar. 
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 23:07, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> One thing I'll miss from MagSafe 2 is the magnetic connect/disconnect. 
> However, I'm ecited about USB-C, as I've 64-watt and other USB-c power 
> adapters/cables everywhere.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:00 PM Maria Chapman  > wrote:
> Hmmm I run a usb hub and wireless headphones that run on usb.  Will there be 
> adaptors available to still be able to run devices?
> 
> Maria
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> > On 19 Oct 2016, at 4:03 AM, Scott Granados  > > wrote:
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> > discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops 
> > including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the 
> > place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 
> > 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a 
> > hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other 
> > reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be 
> > interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
> >   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
> > keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
> > USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
> > bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) 
> > and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
> > What do you all think?
> >
> > Read more here.
> > http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

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Hi. 6 weeks since the launch of the 7+ and it still isn’t available in my local 
Apple store. You can probably get the silver 256GB model if your lucky. 
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 06:39, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> There were no 7+ available, so I went with the 7 two days ago. I will 
> probably switch back to the + size iPhone next year. I do love my 7.
> 
> Kind regards,
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>> On 19/10/2016, at 15:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the plus 
>> if you do upgrade.
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I usually go 
>>> with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy enough change to 
>>> adapt to.
>>> 
>>> The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test 
>>> hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.
>>> 
>>> My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not so a new 
>>> Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to 
 discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops 
 including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the 
 place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 
 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a 
 hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other 
 reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be 
 interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
 keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
 USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a 
 little bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just 
 because) and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
 What do you all think?
 
 Read more here.
 http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
 
 
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

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Hi. I hope the Mac Mini gets a refresh as i’m hoping they include a SSD 
storage. I am happy with using the Mac Mini as it doesn’t cost the earth and is 
a good little machine if you only need to carry out tasks like e-mails and word 
processing. I would never purchase a MacBook because I wouldn’t ever take it 
out with me because of the cost of replacement if it was lost or stolen. 
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 06:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the plus if 
> you do upgrade.
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I usually go 
>> with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy enough change to 
>> adapt to.
>> 
>>  The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test 
>> hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.
>> 
>>  My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not so a new 
>> Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to 
>>> discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops 
>>> including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the 
>>> place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 
>>> 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a 
>>> hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other 
>>> reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be 
>>> interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>>> The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
>>> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
>>> USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
>>> bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) 
>>> and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
>>> What do you all think?
>>> 
>>> Read more here.
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
>>> 
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Re: Bluetooth devices

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Thanks. I will now remember to turn my Bluetooth speaker on before booting up 
the Mac.  The other thing is that I forgot to confirm the selection in sound 
settings so it must have been reverting back to the default setting. 
> On 16 Oct 2016, at 15:18, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi There, so basically what happens is when you restart your mini or after it 
> goes to sleep the sound reroutes to the primary source.  The pairing 
> reestablishes but the actually connection to A2DP does not.  You need to 
> select the audio channel you want to use.  E.T’s suggestion of using the 
> bluetooth menu is a good one and will save you many key strokes.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I keep on having to go in to my settings to pair my Bluetooth speaker 
>> with my Mac Mini and I thought it was suppose to pair automatically when 
>> both devices are turned on? I keep on having to manually select the speaker 
>> in sound settings for output devices. I’ve gone back to using my 3.m wire as 
>> it has become rather tedious going  through the manual process of connecting 
>> via Bluetooth for everytime I turn on my Mac in the morning. 
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Bluetooth devices

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Hi. I keep on having to go in to my settings to pair my Bluetooth speaker with 
my Mac Mini and I thought it was suppose to pair automatically when both 
devices are turned on? I keep on having to manually select the speaker in sound 
settings for output devices. I’ve gone back to using my 3.m wire as it has 
become rather tedious going  through the manual process of connecting via 
Bluetooth for everytime I turn on my Mac in the morning. 

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Re: Anyone else having issues with Netflix?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Amazon appears to have better content in terms of movies because I’m not 
really into tv series and the deal breaker for me is that is not Audio 
description available with their content. 
> On 15 Oct 2016, at 14:15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hey Scott,
> 
> Didn't know the financial info, interesting.  I hate to do it, we've been 
> happy with Netflix, but may be time to switch to Amazon.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, I think Netflix is more interested in making payroll at this point.:) 
>>  They are in a very tight position right now.  They have to pay for creating 
>> their own content and are competing with Amazon who has enough spare money 
>> in their couch cushions to burry netflix.  For example, they (Netflix) just 
>> paid Chris Rock 40 million for 3 hours of programming.  I have also heard 
>> they have cut their catalog in half in recent days.  I’m not saying they 
>> will go under tomorrow but they aren’t the high fliers they were a short 
>> time ago.  Unfortunately, accessibility usually takes a back seat when they 
>> are more concerned with things like keeping the lights on.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I thought Netflix recently lost a lawsuit and is supposed to be becoming 
>>> more accessible?
>>> 
>>> I keep having problems accessing it from my Apple TV.  When I click on 
>>> either my husband's or my profile, I'm taken to the Popular on Netflix 
>>> screen, and there doesn't seem to be any way to access the recently viewed 
>>> shows in that profile.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Anyone know of a 
>>> solution?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Siri Shortcut

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Hi. My Bluetooth speaker has a built in mic and works quite well. It’s saved me 
purchasing a additional mic for the Mac. 
> On 13 Oct 2016, at 16:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Saqib, what mic are you using on your mini? 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 3:52 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Tim. I’m starting to like my Mac Mini again due to the new OS. Siri 
>> even tells me how much storage I have left. Is there a list of things that 
>> you can ask Siri when it comes to operating the Mac? 
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 21:08, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Use cmd-space.  Hold down the cmd-space for a few seconds, until you hear 
>>> the ding that is saying that Siri is ready for you to speak.  If you 
>>> release it too quickly, it will bring up Spotlight instead.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 13:22, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>>> Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?
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Re: Twitter

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Hi. I'm using the native Twitter app   With Nightowl! My replies go to the user 
account which is the next tweet down in the timeline and I stopped using that 
app. 

> On 13 Oct 2016, at 14:35, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi. What Twitter client are you using, the native Twitter app or Night Owl? I 
> find that in Night Owl it remembers where I was before.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I’m always finding that Voiceover loses it’s position when I move away 
>> from the Twitter app on the Mac! When I bring the Twitter app back into 
>> focus, Voiceover jumps to the top of the timeline.
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Twitter

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Hi. I’m always finding that Voiceover loses it’s position when I move away from 
the Twitter app on the Mac! When I bring the Twitter app back into focus, 
Voiceover jumps to the top of the timeline.   

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Re: The Twitter for iOS Night Mode Feature is Now Compatible with VoiceOver

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. This is great news as I’m a low vision user of Voiceover and I do prefer to 
have a black background as that is how I have setup my Apple TV 4th gen. I wish 
there was a way of seeing accounts that have been put on mute.  
> On 13 Oct 2016, at 07:51, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jürgen,
> 
> The Night Mode is for anyone who prefers white text on a dark background as 
> opposed to black text on a white background.  
> 
> There are many of us who are VoiceOver users who also have some vision.
> 
> I use VoiceOver 100% of the time while still using what little vision I have 
> to enjoy photos, videos, movies, etc.  I also use my vision to navigate the 
> device's display, primarily based on color contrasts. 
> 
> When first introduced, Night Mode could not be enabled when VoiceOver was 
> enabled.  
> 
> I don't know why but for some reason, developers don't realize that not all 
> VoiceOver users are totally blind.  As a result, sometimes, they make some 
> accessibility features mutually exclusive.
> 
> Fortunately, Twitter resolved this exclusivity and now I can much more easily 
> enjoy my Twitter feeds without having to constantly toggle the display invert 
> color feature. 
> 
> IN its purist form, the Night Mode is merely a color scheme/theme that 
> reverses only menu item colors.  This has been possible in Windows for over 
> 20 years and Samsung introduced the feature, a couple of years ago.  
> 
> Finally, the concepts has made its way to tvOS, as well.  
> 
> Slowly but surely, developers are beginning to realize that the needs of the 
> low vision are not necessarily separate from those of the totally blind, just 
> different.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:14 AM
> To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries
> Subject: Re: The Twitter for iOS Night Mode Feature is Now Compatible with 
> VoiceOver
> 
> Hello Mark,
> because I’m not sure if I fully got it a sincere question: in what way is 
> this feature important to VoiceOver users? Or do you mean for partially 
> sighted Zoom users?
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 12.10.2016 um 06:38 schrieb M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am delighted to inform you that the new Twitter for iOS Night Mode 
>> feature is now VoiceOver compatible in the latest update to the app.
>> 
>> Please join me in expressing appreciation to the Twitter developers 
>> for addressing our request so quickly, in fact, within less than a month.
>> 
>> I will paste in my original message on this subject, wherein you will 
>> find the various contact channels that I recommend.
>> 
>> This is truly a marvelous enhancement to an already outstanding social 
>> media tool.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 2:39 PM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please Join Me in Requesting That The New Night Mode Feature, 
>> introduced in the Latest Version of the iOS Twitter App, Be Made 
>> VoiceOver Accessible
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Recently, Twitter introduced a new accessibility feature called Night Mode.
>> 
>> As posted by I-Accessibility, Quote, Twitter for iOS has updated their 
>> app with a feature called Night Mode that changes the app's color 
>> scheme to allow for higher contrast text. This feature allows for 
>> users to read tweets easier by showing text on a dark background with light 
>> colored text. ...
>> Turning on this feature will instantly switch your device to Night 
>> mode, End Quote.
>> http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/09/24/quick-tip-enable-night-
>> mode-i
>> os-twitter-app/
>> 
>> Unfortunately, as was the case when Moments was introduced, the Night 
>> Mode feature cannot be accessed when VoiceOver is enabled.
>> 
>> Please join me in requesting that Night Mode be made available even 
>> when VoiceOver is enabled.
>> 
>> Post your request in the App Store as a review, send a tweet to both 
>> @support and @Twitter, and send your request to Twitter via email at 
>> supp...@twitter.com.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Siri Shortcut

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Thanks Tim. I’m starting to like my Mac Mini again due to the new OS. Siri even 
tells me how much storage I have left. Is there a list of things that you can 
ask Siri when it comes to operating the Mac? 
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 21:08, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Use cmd-space.  Hold down the cmd-space for a few seconds, until you hear the 
> ding that is saying that Siri is ready for you to speak.  If you release it 
> too quickly, it will bring up Spotlight instead.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 13:22, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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> Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?
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Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?

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Re: Inverting colours

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Hi. Command, Option and Control 8 is not working for me I’m afraid I don’t have 
a mic for this Mac Mini so I can’t use Siri.
> On 9 Oct 2016, at 14:58, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Invert/revert screen colors:
> Command-Option-Control-8
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 10/9/2016 3:53 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. Is there a shortcut for inverting colours as I keep having to go into 
>> accessibility settings for everytime I need to invert colours.
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Inverting colours

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Is there a shortcut for inverting colours as I keep having to go into 
accessibility settings for everytime I need to invert colours.

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Login screen

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Can someone tell me where the guest login option has gone as I’m not seeing 
it on the latest Sierra update. My other question is related to the keyboard! I 
can’t find the hash key and it’s not under any of the top row of numbers or 
symbols. Login Screen   

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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

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Hi. May the processor can’t handle the latest OS. Unfortunately there seems to 
be a cut off point with hardware regardless of the OS in question. It is the 
same with phones. You probably wouldn’t be able to run the latest Android  7 on 
a 2011 phone like the Samsung Galaxy S2. In my opinion, Devices now need to be 
updated every 2 to 3 years and that can be harsh on someone who may only have a 
small budget at their disposal. 
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 11:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
> 
> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
> smoke alarms start going off.
> 
> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
> 
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

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Hi. I use suggested words which appear above the keyboard on my phone. My 
typing speed has increased some what. Dictation is rubbish and I don’t use it 
because it always makes a hash of your dictation most often than not. I have 
tried dictation on Android and it is so much better on that platform. I’m not 
saying its perfect but it gets most things right. I haven’t updated my Mac OS 
yet as I’m told that the mail client has issues and I only use e-mail on my 
Mac. 
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:41, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I hate predictive text and all those automatic things.  I prefer to do things 
> manually.
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:37, Blee Blat  wrote:
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>> I don't find Siri to be useful on the phone, so I don't use it on the mac 
>> either. I also disable predictive text, all the autocorrect things and all 
>> that stuff. Haven't really found a use for any of it.
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

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Hi. Can Apple replace the hard drive with the SSD Storrage drive? 
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access speed 
> for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning HD, so 
> you will see big improvements to app loading times and some processing times. 
>  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the 
> Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or 
> so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
> mini?
> Thanks
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

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Hi. I'm going to pop in to my local store and do the same. 

> On 19 Sep 2016, at 13:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Me, too, Simon!
> Donna
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna & Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the 7 but had a look at the device in a store and was rather 
>> surprised at how the new home button works.
>> 
>> I could have sworn that the home button moved it was so weird. But  guess it 
>> was  due to the haptic feedback.
>> 
>> I wish apple would hurry up with the earpods 
>> I want a set!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 4:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?
>> 
>> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
>> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does make 
>> it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
>>> had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of 
>>> time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC and 
>>> controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period to use 
>>> it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the capacitive 
>>> buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even physical 
>>> identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press and get that 
>>> response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the response is 
>>> configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested in what 
>>> others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
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Re: Major issue with 4th Gen AppleTV

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Hi. I just dictate into the remote and this is the best way unless you have to 
enter passwords.  
> On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You know, I downloaded the remote app eons ago, but never think about using 
> it.  I think I'll get that set up once I get my new phone.  thanks for 
> reminding me of that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't got the upgrade yet. But Bluetooth keyboard is really good. You 
>> don't need to upgrade to get that. They had it at some point some months 
>> back. Really really helps a lot. Now there is also the iPhone remote app, 
>> which is supposed to be helpful.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1, I like the older keyboard better as well.  I haven’t tried a bluetooth 
>>> keyboard yet, at some point I know that’s due to be added.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Mark,
 
 We had a 3rd gen for many years.  I honestly don't use the keyboard that 
 much, so perhaps last night was the first time I noticed.  It's really 
 very annoying, at least in my opinion. 
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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> Donna, they've always been that way on the 4th gen.
> 
> Are you new to TVOS?  It's not like it was on the 2nd and 3rd gens where 
> they were in a grid.
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> 
> When I tried using the keyboard last night, it was like all the letters 
> were arranged in one long row.  Made navigating quickly a hassle.
> Cheers
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure the issue, my netflix says it was recently updated so I 
>> assume I have the latest version.  When I click on my name I get the 
>> option to pick up where I left off on movies and the search with the 
>> keyboard seems ok, not great but rather unchanged where you arrow to the 
>> left or right.  Is this what you’re seeing or is there an issue I’m not 
>> picking up on.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, give it a try.  When we first got our 4th Gen, you used to be 
>>> able to hear descriptions of movies/TV episodes.  Now you can't.  It 
>>> also used to be that I could click on my profile and have an option to 
>>> continue what I was watching.  that's gone now.  If I click on my 
>>> profile, I'm taken to "Popular on Netflix."  And I agree with Mark, 
>>> navigating the keyboard sucks now.  I had hoped that with recent legal 
>>> action, Netflix would improve, but if anything, it's gotten worse.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Brian Fischler  
 wrote:
 
 Actually Netflix is one of the few apps that seems to work pretty good 
 with VO although I have not used  it in a week so hopefully I will not 
 be adding them to the list. Very disappointing with the direction of 
 the 4th get AppleTV.
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I was just thinking last night, that Netflix has been behaving 
> weirdly. don't have experience with other channels.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Brian Fischler  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Curious if anyone else has noticed this as the accessibility of the 
>> 4th gen AppleTV seems to be going backwards. Now that the developers 
>> have control instead of Apple many channels are not accessible. I 
>> tried to watch something on ABC but since the latest update you can 
>> no longer select any of the genres listed there as nothing happens. 
>> ESPN is another as everything works perfect on the Apple 3rd Get but 
>> on the 4th Get you can watch their channels but none of their 
>> channels are labeled. Anyone else notice any of this?
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I’m going to wait for another year until the price drops to £500. I 
wouldn’t get a flat in London as I’m a northerner and we don’t live amongst the 
southern softies lol. People always come up to the north and make nice comments 
about our friendly hospitality. 
> On 14 Sep 2016, at 14:18, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Whoa, I just checked the pound, I think I should buy a flat in London now.  
> It’s 76P in the Dollar.  No wonder your home builders and real estate sales 
> are off the charts.  I thought it was a closer range than that.  Can you 
> exchange in to another currency and buy from that country instead that’s more 
> favorable?  I guess either way the value is the value and there’s not much 
> you can do about monetary policy.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 8:20 AM, Saqib Hussain > <mailto:saqib1...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> My god. It’s £599 for the basic iPhone 7 and I can no longer afford to 
>> upgrade every year. This year will be the first year where I I will be 
>> skipping the upgrade. Well if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it. No doubt the 
>> prices will drop on Amazon but even then the 7 Plus would still cost around 
>> £800 I have the 6S+ 64GB model and I don’t want to downsize to a smaller 
>> screen or storage capacity. I will just have to buy the 7+ 128GB next year. 
>> Prices have gone up by £100 because of the value of the pound dropping 
>> significantly. I’m not paying an extra £100 for that reason alone. 
>>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 22:39, Simon Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
>>> 1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 
>>> NZ currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you 
>>> PayPal me the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import 
>>> tax.;)
>>> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>>>  
>>> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
>>> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
>>> we’re probably paying more.
>>>  
>>> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
>>> company who can charge high interest rates.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
>>> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
>>> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
>>> money.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>>>  
>>> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
>>> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>>>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>>>  
>>> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>>>  
>>> If only I could currently afford it.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Saqib Hussain]

My god. It’s £599 for the basic iPhone 7 and I can no longer afford to upgrade 
every year. This year will be the first year where I I will be skipping the 
upgrade. Well if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it. No doubt the prices will 
drop on Amazon but even then the 7 Plus would still cost around £800 I have the 
6S+ 64GB model and I don’t want to downsize to a smaller screen or storage 
capacity. I will just have to buy the 7+ 128GB next year. Prices have gone up 
by £100 because of the value of the pound dropping significantly. I’m not 
paying an extra £100 for that reason alone. 
> On 9 Sep 2016, at 22:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
> 1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 NZ 
> currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you PayPal me 
> the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import tax.;)
> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>  
>  
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>  
> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
> we’re probably paying more.
>  
> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
> company who can charge high interest rates.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
> money.
>  
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>  
> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>  
> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>  
> If only I could currently afford it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Hi.
>  
> I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water would 
> come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
>  
> I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent it is 
> from the I phone?
>  
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I think they should include insurance within their plans. It would be 
really awful if someone was robbed  or simply dropped their iPhone down the bog 
within the contract period.
> On 7 Sep 2016, at 23:20, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I wish i could but its not in Sweden yet.
> I hope they will make it possible though.
> /A
>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 23:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu > >:
>> 
>> Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which let’s 
>> you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
>> 
>> It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at the 
>> same time.
>> 
>> If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
>> where people pay upfront for computer equipment.  I bet they will do that 
>> soon.
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect me. 
I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for 
carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to 
plug your headphones in.  
> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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> hey all,
> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the 
> new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
> The latest leak I believe has credence.
> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter 
> witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the 
> phone.
> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have 
> made an adapter readily available.
> 
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Re: a question about safari please

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I’ve recently purchased a HP Stream 11.6in netbook as I didn’t want to take 
an expensive Macbook Air out and about with me. It does get confusing at times 
as I have to remember commands for 2 operating systems. I sometimes find myself 
initiating windows commands on the Mac. 
> On 12 Aug 2016, at 20:15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re exactly right, learning a new operating system is similar in some ways 
> to learning a new language.  You have to in my mind fully immerse  your self 
> and cut ties with the old.  I could never use windows and Mac at the same 
> time I had to make the switch and fight through it.  Just like landing in 
> Paris and having a crash course in French.
> 
> Another thing you have to learn is new muscle memory for your fingers and the 
> keyboard commands.  At first I don’t know how many times I hit control escape 
> to go back to the start menu from the old windows days when I made the 
> switch.  All new commands + new terminology and ways of doing things make 
> switching platforms a steep learning curve at first.  Stick with it though, 
> you’ll be glad you did.  I’m a Mac user now for about 8 years and would never 
> go back to Windows.  Plus, as an old Unix guy and Network Engineer now having 
> a Unix environment available with terminal is absolutely the bees knees for 
> me.
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:00 PM, zoe fiogkos > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh thank you so much. That was easier  <>then I thought.  I’m finding that 
>> the mac isn’t so hard after all it’s just different from windows. Slowly 
>> it’s making sence, it’s just a matter of reprogramming my brain after so 
>> many years of windows to remember new commands and layouts, and places.
>> Again thanks so much.
>> Regards
>> Zoe
>>  
>>  
>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus 
>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the 
>> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only 
>> hope is that it won’t be too late..  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
>> Sent: August 12, 2016 2:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: a question about safari please
>>  
>> Go to the “history menu: 
>> VO+M once, then right to “History”.
>> open that menu and explore your history.
>> once you find the webpage, press +command+D” to save it.
>>  
>> ***
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>> Your Own Pay 
>> Lets Connect On Twitter
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>> Or facebook
>> Consulting with Michael Babcock 
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>>  
>> 
>>  
>>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, zoe fiogkos >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Today I visited a sight I liked, and I forgot to save the address. Is there
>>> a way in safari to view the web sights I visited today? If yes then how do I
>>> save it as a favourite like you do in windows?
>>> Thanks for any help
>>> Regards
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
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iBooks

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. My iBooks aren’t syncing with my iPhone. I have the iBooks app on the Mac 
set to sync with other devices but my books are totally out of sync. Is there a 
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Re: Unmoving tweets

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Hi. I meant un-muting tweets. Sorry about the typo.  
> On 7 Aug 2016, at 01:46, Dora Speck  wrote:
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> What do you mean by "Unmoving," and "unmet?"
> If you're meaning "unfollow, just do a command plus L together and go to the 
> table. Interact with the table and find the person you want to unfollow. Do a 
> control plus option plus shift plus M together to go to the menu or just do a 
> VO plus right arrow to the right once, and it should say, "menu," hit that, 
> and go down to where it says, "unfollow."
>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>> Hi. How do I unmet accounts that I’m following within the main twitter 
>> client for the Mac? 
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Unmoving tweets

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Hi. How do I unmet accounts that I’m following within the main twitter client 
for the Mac? 

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Re: Twitter

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Hi. Whenever I’m reading a tweet and a new one comes in! VO stops to tell me 
that one row is added, meaning a new tweet has arrived and then reads my 
current tweet out again. I just wanted to stop this interruption. I want my 
tweet read out in full without VO telling me that another one has come in. I 
hope this makes sense. 
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> Either that or hit Command+H, and just hide the app in the background so it's 
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>> Do a command right arrow and that will get you to your mentions. That's what 
>> I do it least.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>>> Hi  is there a way to stop voice-over announcing one row added when a new 
>>> tweet comes in?
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Re: RSGames

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Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of each 
dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other player has 
purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking assets that other 
players have acquired. 
> On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
> 
> http://rsgames.org
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can play 
>> them on the mac.
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Is the Kindle App accessible on Mac OS ?

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Hi. I had downloaded it the other day and got no VO feedback. I could see it 
being launched but speech wouldn’t read anything at all. When I got my Mac Mini 
around 6 weeks ago! I thought allot more was accessible in the way of apps 
compared to Windows but it doesn’t seem that way. The only advantage the the 
Mac has that it allows me to synchronise everything with my iPhone and I can 
send text messages which makes life allot easier and I’ve found that I’m 
replying allot more too peoples messages. 
> On 29 Jul 2016, at 07:18, Ben J. Bloomgren  wrote:
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> I just tried it half a week ago, and for me it was a bonified disaster. Very 
> little read.
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 7/28/2016 12:00, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am using the Kindle App on my iPhone using VoiceOver and it works pretty 
>> well.
>> 
>> I would like to also read Kindle books on my iMac running the latest El 
>> Capitan. I have installed the Kindle App but am having trouble registering 
>> it. Is the App accessible with VoiceOver on Mac OS?
>> 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> 
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Hi. What is the best Facebook app for the Mac? At the moment I’m using Safari 
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Re: Message tones on the Mac

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Hi. Thanks. I found them within the messaging app. I’ve been looking for 
message alerts for the last couple of days. 
> On 24 Jul 2016, at 22:18, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> If you are talking about the messages application, this is set in the 
> settings area of the messages app under the General tab.
> 
> I believe there is also the ability to set message tones in the contacts 
> application, I am not sure if messages honors these settings.
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
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>> Hi. How do I change the incoming message tone on the Mac Mini? I have been 
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Hi. How do I change the incoming message tone on the Mac Mini? I have been in 
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Hi. For some reason I’m not getting my notification sounds anymore on my Mac. I 
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Re: Twitter links

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Hi. I did use Night Owl but It kept on replying to the wrong user whenever I 
wanted to reply to a certain tweet in my timeline. I had to repeat the process 
of replying to the particular tweet around 3 times before the right user name 
popped up in the edit box.  Usually the tweet below was being replied to and I 
can’t workout why this was happening. 
> On 23 Jul 2016, at 22:49, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> Interact with the individual tweet and then find the text with the link.  
> Activating that should open it, but I had trouble with some tweets.  Consider 
> using Nightowl instead.  It is missing some of the newer features but works 
> well and all you have to do to open a link is press l.
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>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>> Hi. I was referring to the Twitter app on the Mac. Sorry I didn't make it 
>> clear in my original message. 
>> 
>>> On 23 Jul 2016, at 15:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Usually, you can double-tap on the tweet which will bring up a more 
>>> detailed version of it.  The link should be accessible within that page.  
>>> Double-tap on it to activate, then Close/Back your way out to go to the 
>>> main list of tweets.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 08:40, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>>> Hi. How do I open links within a tweet as I'm using the native Twitter app. 
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Re: Twitter links

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Hi. I was referring to the Twitter app on the Mac. Sorry I didn't make it clear 
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> on it to activate, then Close/Back your way out to go to the main list of 
> tweets.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Jul 23, 2016, at 08:40, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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> Hi. How do I open links within a tweet as I'm using the native Twitter app. 
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Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

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Hi. Do I download my purchases from the Audible website or is there an Audible 
app? Sorry I’m slightly confused. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, jeff `greene  wrote:
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> Hi Saqib,
> Audible books play on ITunes without any apps added. Just get an
> audible account, download whatever book you want, and import it into
> ITunes. The software I wrote about takes DRM out of audible and ITunes
> audio books and converts them to mp3.
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 7/22/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the
>> Appstore.
>>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:
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>>> Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that would
>>> remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today
>>> and its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
>>> Jeff
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Re: remote access

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Do you have to purchase a webcam for the Mac Mini as I couldn’t get 
FaceTime to make a successful call yesterday. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
> session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
> have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
> session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
> your computer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.
>  
> Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
> another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?
>  
> I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
> But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
> option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
> is not up to scratch as yet.
>  
> Any information would be appreciate.
>  
> Simon f
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Does that keyboard from Apple have a builtin trackpad? I’m looking for an 
all in one solution as I have the Apple Wired keyboard. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 10:54, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I've also got the apple magic2 wifi keyboard, which I've got paired to my 
> iPad and my mac mini,
> And I also have an apple wired computer with a usb extension cable so I can 
> use it from further away than the standard cable gives.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 4:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
>Or whatever floats your boat (or ark for some). I never had one of those 
> laptops. Well the beauty of it all is that there are as many choices as there 
> are individuals.
> 
>And the day may well come when technology will provide a wireless link to 
> our minds. I will let someone else have a go at that. Its too like the 666 
> stuff. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/21/2016 7:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops 
>> were like large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and 
>> weighed
>> 50 lbs.
>> 
>> They are really that tricky to move?
>> 
>> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so 
>> light why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but 
>> I just leave them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed 
>> and do work or in the recliner or where ever.
>> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your 
>> desktop type installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original 
>> poster mentioned want to sit on my couch and control with out having 
>> to sit at the desk directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are 
>> already portable and having another keyboard is just another thing for 
>> me to forget to put away and step on.:)
>> 
>> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you 
>> talkin about Willis?
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> >> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> I agree!
>>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to 
>>> the lap top! :) JMO Chuck
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/>
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>> 
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its 
>>>> much heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you 
>>>> don't want that, that is great.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an 
>>>>> additional keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is.
>>>>> If I had a bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I 
>>>>> would use an additional keyboard.
>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keyboard from a distance!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why 
>>>>>> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib 
>>>>>> Hussain
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvi

Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the Appstore. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that would 
> remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today and 
> its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
> Jeff
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional keyboard 
because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a bulky Windows 
laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an additional keyboard. 
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Keyboard from a distance!
> 
> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why wouldn't I 
> use a wifi keyboard.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the Air 
> already have keyboards? 
>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
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>> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>> 
>>   Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a wireless 
>> model, not Bluetooth, uses a USB transmitter.
>> 
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the Air already 
have keyboards? 
> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
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>Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a wireless 
> model, not Bluetooth, uses a USB transmitter.
> 
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Re: Audio Game Hub

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I like the Archery game but don’t really play the others because for some 
reason I’m not grasping them. I love the sound effects and this is quite 
refreshing as we don’t always experience good background sounds with most of 
the blind games. 
> On 18 Jul 2016, at 20:41, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Audio Game Hub.
> 
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> On 7/18/2016 11:59 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
>> Audio Game Hub
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Mac mini 2012

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Mine works fine without a monitor but I always use my telly as a monitor. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> As far as I know, all the minis still need to think they are connected to a 
> monitor, apparently it's not the hardware, but the mac operating system that 
> has the issue if no monitor is connected. There is an adapter called the fit 
> headless that will get around this problem.
> Original message:
>> Hello all,
> 
>> Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini
>> from that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would
>> I need? Thank you.
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Safari on the Mac

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Hi. I’m not seeing all the bookmarks on my Mac Mini as I thought everything 
synchronises with my iPhone?  I’ve also got Handoff turned on on my iPhone and 
it’s not working  when I open Safari on the Mac. 

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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Saqib Hussain]

Mine is connected to a 40 inch TV with HDMI cable.   The keyboard freezing 
would last up to 10 minutes  that sort of behaviour is just not acceptable 
especially when we pay so much for these devices. 

> On 7 Jul 2016, at 13:03, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> if you are on a mini, with no monitor connected, it is normal
> behavior. mine does this sometimes as well.
> 
>> On 7/7/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini
>> replaced and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store
>> yesterday but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a
>> replacement and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday
>> evening. I’m learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail
>> client everyday and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t
>> know whether you can install software from the internet without risking
>> infecting the OS with a virus but I did download RS Games which was very
>> buggy and Skype and my theory is that may have been the cause of the
>> keyboard freezing in edit boxes periodically.  I’m not ever going  to
>> download anything from the internet again. If I want to listen to an audio
>> file! I will stream it on another device.
>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider
>>> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever
>>> bought. I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac
>>> another attempt in the future.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you
>>> can spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being
>>> tied to any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod
>>> Touch 4th Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone
>>> 4. To date, I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini
>>> 2. I have other Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for
>>> now. I would highly recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before
>>> trying an iPhone. Just my £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility,
>>>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem
>>>> to get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because
>>>> they just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By
>>>> then, they have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big
>>>> cancellation fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money
>>>> invested in something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto
>>>> eventually.   By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday,
>>>> but I think I should have been getting it, a little more than I was by
>>>> the deadline. I am not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will
>>>> have to be some kind of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel
>>>> confident that I am going to get it.  I wish Apple had given me more
>>>> time.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system
>>>>> in 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even
>>>>> undertake such a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have
>>>>> 35 years of computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong
>>>>> mindset. I remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.
>>>>> It’s like learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just
>>>>> in dribs and drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I
>>

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini replaced 
and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store yesterday but 
I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a replacement and It’s 
been working well since I had set it up again yesterday evening. I’m learning 
commands because I’m using programs like the mail client everyday and Ive been 
making mental notes of them as well. I don’t know whether you can install 
software from the internet without risking infecting the OS with a virus but I 
did download RS Games which was very buggy and Skype and my theory is that may 
have been the cause of the keyboard freezing in edit boxes periodically.  I’m 
not ever going  to download anything from the internet again. If I want to 
listen to an audio file! I will stream it on another device. 
> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider 
> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. I 
> wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac another attempt 
> in the future.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> 
> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can 
> spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to 
> any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th 
> Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, I 
> have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other 
> Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly 
> recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my 
> £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility, 
>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>> 
>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to 
>> get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they 
>> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By then, they 
>> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation 
>> fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money invested in 
>> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually.   
>> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I 
>> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am 
>> not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will have to be some kind 
>> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to 
>> get it.  I wish Apple had given me more time.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system in 2 
>>> weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even undertake such 
>>> a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of 
>>> computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I 
>>> remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.  It’s like 
>>> learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and 
>>> drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I were learning 
>>> French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where 
>>> i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When you decide to learn a 
>>> new operating system you have to cut your self off from the old. You have 
>>> to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 
>>> you kept issuing windows type keyboard commands on the Mac and introducing 
>>> problems not for anything you are doing wrong just because you’re new and 
>>> have built up years of muscle memory for commands in Windows.
>>> You also didn’t value learning the Mac.  You mentioned several times even 
>>> in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything.  So in the end I’m not 
>>> sure why you bothered.  That’s like walking in to the job interview, 
>>> telling your self you’re not going to get the job anyway and then living up 
>>> to your expectations.:)  If you ever try this again with any platform don’t 
>>> limit yourself to an unreasonable amount of time.  Maybe try an operating 
>>> system like a Linux variant or something with is totally free out of the 
>>> box, won’t cause any financial pressure and you can dedicate to it with out 
>>> otherdistractions like worrying about the costs. No matter what,

System Volume

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. How do I turn the system volume up as I have tried F12 on a full size Apple 
wired keyboard and it doesn’t work and I’ve also tried holding down the FN key 
and still no luck. 

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Re: Disappointed with Voiceover

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi Martain. I’m beginning to agree with you! My keyboard always freezes up in 
the mail client and I’m surprised that I’m replying to this message without 
another major freeze. After talking to Apple support and resetting the machine 
3 times! My only option is to go out and buy an ethernet cable and do a full 
re-install of the OS. Oh do I regret getting a Mac. 
> On 4 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> My first encounter with Voiceover was back in the Snow Leopard days, and boy
> was I impressed with the level of commitment by Apple to its screen reader.
> It was back then I was enthusiastic about learning as much as I could about
> this very different way of accessing a computer. It was quite a struggle
> having come from the Windows environment, but I persevered and most of what
> I know about interacting with my Mac goes back to those days. Sadly, I feel
> it has been down hill as far as building upon what made Voiceover a great
> solution to help a blind person do what needs to be done to get the most and
> the best out of their Mac.
> 
> In the past few years I only drop in occasionally to see if things are
> getting better with what used to be a great product only to find that things
> are no better, and sometimes even worse. We are now some nine months into
> the release of El Capitan, and still there are bugs that should have been
> sorted before the software was even out the door. I am not one of those
> people who expect everything to always work perfectly from day one. Nor do I
> expect that sometimes one has to think outside the box when working with
> energised silicone chips, but when doing basic tasks such as deleting a web
> site from favourites, the task should be simple and take seconds to perform.
> Oh boy, not on this Mac.
> 
> And then there's Safari. When it works it's good, but when it doesn't it
> would drive a Zen master towards the Prozac shelf. On some sites its fine,
> on others it's rickety, while on others it quite simply refuses to work. An
> example of the latter is the Soap Kitchen, a company based in the United
> Kingdom. It was so bad I was on the verge of pressing the off switch to get
> out of the mess. The big problem with the Mac is, if Voiceover is playing up
> then you're basically stuffed. On a Windows machine, what one screen reader
> doesn't do another might. I know there are very dedicated and able users of
> Voiceover on this list who may take offence to an interloper such as myself
> for daring to criticise Apple for its efforts. However, I feel if El Capitan
> is the best a multibillion company can do for its disabled customers, then
> give me Windows any day where I have to pay for a more reliable screen
> reader. Free is not always best, and Voiceover is testimony to that.
> 
> In the near future, it is rumoured, that Microsoft will provide a screen
> reader worthy of that label. I am not holding my breath for that to become a
> reality. However, let's assume that Microsoft finally gets a moral
> conscience and does what it should have done years ago and enables people
> who are blind to access their product out of the box. If it is as bug-ridden
> as Voiceover is, then I will still be happy to pay for a better experience.
> Despite my best efforts with the Mac, my productivity suffers badly using
> Voiceover.
> 
> However, all is not lost. After all we will soon be getting a new and
> supposedly better operating system from the Gods at Apple. Perhaps I will
> give it a go after a nine month period in the hope that Apple has once more
> taken its commitment to accessibility back on to a more serious footing. As
> with Microsoft, however, I shall not be holding my breath. I have been
> reliably informed that asphyxia is not a pleasant way to pop one's clogs.
> 
> 
> On a final note, I know and accept that screen readers such as JAWS and
> Window-Eyes are not perfect. But I find both way more reliable than
> Voiceover. Using either with Internet Explorer, the vast majority of sites
> are very manageable. What I want to do with my computer, be it Windows or
> Mac, is to just get the job done in as short a time as possible. The last
> thing I want to spend my time on is trying to figure out how to get around a
> bug that someone with a degree in computer science has created in the first
> place. I can't help but wonder how much better accessibility would be today
> had the genius that was Steve Jobs still been around to guide a company that
> seems to have lost its way.
> Martin
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Re: Answering calls when using What's App.

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Hi. The answer button is at the bottom right.  You need to explore that area 
when you get a call. 
> On 1 Jul 2016, at 17:03, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Those of you who use What’s App to make calls, please could you tell me the 
> best way to answer calls if you get a What’s App call please?  When I get one 
> of those calls, the window keeps disappearing so the options screen comes up 
> and before you can tap it, it’s gone so you have to wait for it to come back 
> so you can pick up the call.  I Wish you could do a two finger double tap to 
> answer the call but it’s Apple’s gesture so the other companies can’t use it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Yes I did. I’ve d problem to see if it crops up again. one the reset and 
I’m monitoring the situation to see if it
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Were you able to set the checkbox so that the five Option key presses would 
> not enable Mouse keys?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 05:28, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I have spoken too  soon and after following your steps to turn the mouse 
> keys off! The problem is occurring again. 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Great.  If you'd rather not have this accidentally happen again, do the 
>> following.
>> 
>> • open System Prefs.
>> • open the Accessibility pane.
>> • In the Accessibility Features table, select Mouse & Trackpad.
>> • You'll note a checkbox for Mouse keys, make sure that it is not checked.
>> • then you'll also see an Options button on this screen, VO-space on it.
>> • On this new screen, there should be a checkbox that reads something to the 
>> effect of pressing the Option key five times to enable Mouse keys.  Make 
>> sure it is not checked.
>> • Press OK and close System Prefs.
>> 
>> This should make it so that you don't accidentally turn them back on with 
>> the Option key.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:42, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested and 
>> I think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop when I 
>> pressed it five times. First letter navigation is now working. 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox is 
>>> checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of 
>>> key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
>>> before I attempt to reset the machine. 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
>>>> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that 
>>>> does not do it, try this.
>>>> 
>>>> Resetting PRAM.
>>>> 
>>>> Shut down.
>>>> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>>>> Option-Cmd-P-R
>>>> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn Mac on.
>>>> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key 
>>>> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>>>> 
>>>> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
>>>> second time.
>>>> 
>>>> Release keys.
>>>> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
>>>> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
>>>>> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
>>>>> problem
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>>>> 1 backup all your data
>>>>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>>>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>>>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>>>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>>>>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>>>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>>>>> then you should be all set!
>>>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Yes I have done that today and the problem hasn’t accused so far but 
knowing my luck. It will resurface . 
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 15:27, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Did you reset the PRAM yet?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/30/2016 4:28 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. I have spoken too  soon and after following your steps to turn the mouse 
>> keys off! The problem is occurring again.
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Great.  If you'd rather not have this accidentally happen again, do the 
>>> following.
>>> 
>>> • open System Prefs.
>>> • open the Accessibility pane.
>>> • In the Accessibility Features table, select Mouse & Trackpad.
>>> • You'll note a checkbox for Mouse keys, make sure that it is not checked.
>>> • then you'll also see an Options button on this screen, VO-space on it.
>>> • On this new screen, there should be a checkbox that reads something to 
>>> the effect of pressing the Option key five times to enable Mouse keys.  
>>> Make sure it is not checked.
>>> • Press OK and close System Prefs.
>>> 
>>> This should make it so that you don't accidentally turn them back on with 
>>> the Option key.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:42, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested and 
>>> I think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop when I 
>>> pressed it five times. First letter navigation is now working.
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox is 
>>>> checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of 
>>>> key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
>>>> before I attempt to reset the machine.
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
>>>>> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that 
>>>>> does not do it, try this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Resetting PRAM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shut down.
>>>>> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>>>>> Option-Cmd-P-R
>>>>> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Turn Mac on.
>>>>> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key 
>>>>> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
>>>>> second time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Release keys.
>>>>> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
>>>>> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is 
>>>>>> the reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution 
>>>>>> for the problem
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>>>>> 1 backup all your data
>>>>>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>>>>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>>>>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>>>>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your 
>>>>>>> hdd
>>>

Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I have spoken too  soon and after following your steps to turn the mouse 
keys off! The problem is occurring again. 

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Great.  If you'd rather not have this accidentally happen again, do the 
> following.
> 
> • open System Prefs.
> • open the Accessibility pane.
> • In the Accessibility Features table, select Mouse & Trackpad.
> • You'll note a checkbox for Mouse keys, make sure that it is not checked.
> • then you'll also see an Options button on this screen, VO-space on it.
> • On this new screen, there should be a checkbox that reads something to the 
> effect of pressing the Option key five times to enable Mouse keys.  Make sure 
> it is not checked.
> • Press OK and close System Prefs.
> 
> This should make it so that you don't accidentally turn them back on with the 
> Option key.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:42, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested and I 
> think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop when I 
> pressed it five times. First letter navigation is now working. 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox is 
>> checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of 
>> key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
>> before I attempt to reset the machine. 
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
>>> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that 
>>> does not do it, try this.
>>> 
>>> Resetting PRAM.
>>> 
>>> Shut down.
>>> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>>> Option-Cmd-P-R
>>> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>>> 
>>> Turn Mac on.
>>> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key 
>>> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>>> 
>>> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
>>> second time.
>>> 
>>> Release keys.
>>> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
>>> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
>>>> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
>>>> problem
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>>> 1 backup all your data
>>>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>>>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>>>> then you should be all set!
>>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this 
>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Thank you all for your support today. Usually I am on the Mac around 2 
hours per day but today I must have spent around eight hours because of this 
problem   

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:46, jaan ali  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested and 
>> I think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop when I 
>> pressed it five times. First letter navigation is now working. 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox is 
>>> checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of 
>>> key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
>>> before I attempt to reset the machine. 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
>>>> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that 
>>>> does not do it, try this.
>>>> 
>>>> Resetting PRAM.
>>>> 
>>>> Shut down.
>>>> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>>>> Option-Cmd-P-R
>>>> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn Mac on.
>>>> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key 
>>>> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>>>> 
>>>> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
>>>> second time.
>>>> 
>>>> Release keys.
>>>> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
>>>> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
>>>>> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
>>>>> problem
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>>>> 1 backup all your data
>>>>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>>>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>>>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>>>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>>>>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>>>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>>>>> then you should be all set!
>>>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this 
>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Visionaries list.
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>>&

Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested and I 
think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop when I pressed 
it five times. First letter navigation is now working. 

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox is 
> checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of 
> key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
> before I attempt to reset the machine. 
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
>> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that 
>> does not do it, try this.
>> 
>> Resetting PRAM.
>> 
>> Shut down.
>> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>> Option-Cmd-P-R
>> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>> 
>> Turn Mac on.
>> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key 
>> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>> 
>> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
>> second time.
>> 
>> Release keys.
>> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
>> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
>>> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
>>> problem
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>> 1 backup all your data
>>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>>> then you should be all set!
>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>>> Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this keyboard
>>>>> issue
>>>>> 
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Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. My other issue that I can no longer navigate by first letter when in system 
preferences! I still am getting this command key locking up. 
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:52, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There is no setting that will disable specific keys on your keyboard after 
> time has elapsed.  I wonder if you're accidentally turning on Mouse keys?  
> Mouse keys, when enabled often disables the use of the cmd key.  If this is 
> happening with multiple keyboards, then it's guaranteed to be a software 
> setting, such as something in the Keyboard pane of System Prefs, something in 
> the Accessibility pane of System Prefs or something to do with the VoiceOver 
> Utility.  If VO Utility is the culprit, then look in the Keyboard commander 
> area.  If in the Accessibility pane, then check if Mouse keys is enabled.  
> It's also possible that the Modifier keys have been changed in some way 
> within the Keyboard pane.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 15:28, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
> problem 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 1 backup all your data
>> 2 shut down your mac
>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>> then you should be all set!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this keyboard
>>> issue
>>> 
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Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the dice 
before I attempt to reset the machine. 
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the menu 
> bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences". If that does 
> not do it, try this.
> 
>   Resetting PRAM.
> 
> Shut down.
> Locate following keys on keyboard:
>  Option-Cmd-P-R
> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
> 
> Turn Mac on.
> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key combination 
> before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
> 
> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound for 
> second time.
> 
> Release keys.
> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume, display 
> resolution, and startup disk preferences.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is the 
>> reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution for the 
>> problem
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 1 backup all your data
>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery mode
>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your hdd
>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>> then you should be all set!
>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>> Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this keyboard
>>>> issue
>>>> 
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>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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