Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Ramy Moustafa 
Steve:
It’s a mac taste i think. all i need is the easiest. way .
thanks so much for your suggestion


> On Apr 23, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't like tree views on Windows, I don't like them on Mac OS any better. 
> Ditto those sidebars and disclosure triangle objects. What I *would* like is 
> the list view feature without having to hear all the extras until I whack the 
> CONTROL key to shut VoiceOver up before I perform the next action. If I want 
> to hear those things, I can use horizontal arrows to read that info item by 
> item, or open the Get Info (Command+I) dialog.
> 
> 
> On 4/23/2018 1:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I also prefer List view.  Although, I understand why others may prefer 
>> Column view.  It's just how I'm used to navigating around.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:56, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, Cmd-Down arrow does the same as Cmd-o. It either opens folders or 
>> documents. I like list view as I can get more information on a file or 
>> folder by interacting, or just navigate with arrow keys.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Apr 2018, at 16:56, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try using command  + o to open a folder 
>>> Once your in the folder you should be able to either tab between files / 
>>> folders or arrow  up / down 
>>> 
>>> But command + o is the open folder command if you have the view in list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
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>>> To: mac mailing list <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>> Subject: Navigating mac, a very basic Question
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
>>> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
>>> i set my navigation to list view.
>>> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
>>> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
>>> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
>>> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
>>> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
>>> must interact. and so on.
>>> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
>>> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
>>> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
>>> Thanks in advance 
>>> 
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Ramy Moustafa 
John:
Will gona try that.
from windows, i was using the list view, and don’t know if i will like this or 
not
thanks so much for your suggestion


> On Apr 23, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy, 
> 
> When I am in list mode, I find it much easier to navigate using the arrow 
> keys and not the vo-arrow keys. When doing things this way I don’t have to 
> interact at all.
> 
> I have to say I personally prefer the column view in the finder as this view 
> allows me to use left/right arrows to traverse into and out  of folders. I 
> have found this especially useful when I am trying to understand the 
> structure of folders. I can hit right arrow until I get to a file then press 
> down arrow to examine other contents in that folder. So I do a manual depth 
> first navigation. This has helped me to understand quite a bit about how some 
> parts of the Macintosh environment are controlled / maintained.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
>> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
>> i set my navigation to list view.
>> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
>> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
>> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
>> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
>> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
>> must interact. and so on.
>> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
>> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
>> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Ramy Moustafa 
No, it’s ooff

> On Apr 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I do not experience this. Perhaps Quick Nav is on? Check that by pressing 
> the left and right arrows together.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/23/2018 6:58 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
>> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
>> i set my navigation to list view.
>> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
>> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
>> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
>> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
>> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
>> must interact. and so on.
>> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
>> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
>> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Steve Matzura 
I don't like tree views on Windows, I don't like them on Mac OS any 
better. Ditto those sidebars and disclosure triangle objects. What I 
*would* like is the list view feature without having to hear all the 
extras until I whack the CONTROL key to shut VoiceOver up before I 
perform the next action. If I want to hear those things, I can use 
horizontal arrows to read that info item by item, or open the Get Info 
(Command+I) dialog.



On 4/23/2018 1:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I also prefer List view.  Although, I understand why others may prefer 
Column view.  It's just how I'm used to navigating around.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:56, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
<mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:


Simon, Cmd-Down arrow does the same as Cmd-o. It either opens folders 
or documents. I like list view as I can get more information on a file 
or folder by interacting, or just navigate with arrow keys.


Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Apr 2018, at 16:56, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Try using command  + o to open a folder
Once your in the folder you should be able to either tab between 
files / folders or arrow  up / down


But command + o is the open folder command if you have the view in list.



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Subject: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

Hi all:

Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after 
all this time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating 
inside my mac.

i set my navigation to list view.
and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, 
sometimes when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items 
without interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i 
find another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can 
not, so i must interact. and so on.
is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open 
or copy what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what 
thing that am missing? or this is the mac stratigy?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

I also prefer List view.  Although, I understand why others may prefer Column 
view.  It's just how I'm used to navigating around.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:56, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:

Simon, Cmd-Down arrow does the same as Cmd-o. It either opens folders or 
documents. I like list view as I can get more information on a file or folder 
by interacting, or just navigate with arrow keys.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 23 Apr 2018, at 16:56, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Try using command  + o to open a folder 
> Once your in the folder you should be able to either tab between files / 
> folders or arrow  up / down 
> 
> But command + o is the open folder command if you have the view in list.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 1:58 AM
> To: mac mailing list <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Navigating mac, a very basic Question
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
> i set my navigation to list view.
> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
> must interact. and so on.
> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
> Thanks in advance 
> 
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Anne Robertson 
Simon, Cmd-Down arrow does the same as Cmd-o. It either opens folders or 
documents. I like list view as I can get more information on a file or folder 
by interacting, or just navigate with arrow keys.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 23 Apr 2018, at 16:56, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Try using command  + o to open a folder 
> Once your in the folder you should be able to either tab between files / 
> folders or arrow  up / down 
> 
> But command + o is the open folder command if you have the view in list.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 1:58 AM
> To: mac mailing list <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Navigating mac, a very basic Question
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
> i set my navigation to list view.
> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
> must interact. and so on.
> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
> Thanks in advance 
> 
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread E.T. 

Jonathan,
   Because you are automatically interacted.

   I did play with column view. I see why you like it more than list 
view. I might use this more often,


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On 4/23/2018 7:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello Ramy,

When I am in list mode, I find it much easier to navigate using the arrow keys 
and not the vo-arrow keys. When doing things this way I don’t have to interact 
at all.

I have to say I personally prefer the column view in the finder as this view 
allows me to use left/right arrows to traverse into and out  of folders. I have 
found this especially useful when I am trying to understand the structure of 
folders. I can hit right arrow until I get to a file then press down arrow to 
examine other contents in that folder. So I do a manual depth first navigation. 
This has helped me to understand quite a bit about how some parts of the 
Macintosh environment are controlled / maintained.

HTH,

Jonathan Cohn


On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
i set my navigation to list view.
and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without interacting, 
and sometimes i must interact with this table.
i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i must 
interact. and so on.
is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
Thanks in advance

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RE: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Simon Fogarty 
Try using command  + o to open a folder 
 Once your in the folder you should be able to either tab between files / 
folders or arrow  up / down 

But command + o is the open folder command if you have the view in list.

 

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Hi all:

Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
i set my navigation to list view.
and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without interacting, 
and sometimes i must interact with this table.
i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i must 
interact. and so on.
is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Hello Ramy, 

When I am in list mode, I find it much easier to navigate using the arrow keys 
and not the vo-arrow keys. When doing things this way I don’t have to interact 
at all.

I have to say I personally prefer the column view in the finder as this view 
allows me to use left/right arrows to traverse into and out  of folders. I have 
found this especially useful when I am trying to understand the structure of 
folders. I can hit right arrow until I get to a file then press down arrow to 
examine other contents in that folder. So I do a manual depth first navigation. 
This has helped me to understand quite a bit about how some parts of the 
Macintosh environment are controlled / maintained.

HTH,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
> time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
> i set my navigation to list view.
> and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
> when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without 
> interacting, and sometimes i must interact with this table.
> i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
> another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i 
> must interact. and so on.
> is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
> what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
> missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
> Thanks in advance 
> 
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Re: Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread E.T. 
   I do not experience this. Perhaps Quick Nav is on? Check that by 
pressing the left and right arrows together.


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On 4/23/2018 6:58 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi all:

Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
i set my navigation to list view.
and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without interacting, 
and sometimes i must interact with this table.
i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i must 
interact. and so on.
is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
Thanks in advance



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Navigating mac, a very basic Question

2018-04-23 Thread Ramy Moustafa 
Hi all:

Of cores i know that this is a very very basic question, but after all this 
time that am using mac, i still feel not ok when navigating inside my mac.
i set my navigation to list view.
and let’s say i hit cmd+shift+C to go my conputer, i find atable, sometimes 
when pressing down arrow i can move inside the table items without interacting, 
and sometimes i must interact with this table.
i found what drive i need to open, i use cmd=Down arrow to open it, i find 
another table, i tried using up and down arrows to move, but can not, so i must 
interact. and so on.
is there a way to enter any folder and navigate it’s contents, open or copy 
what i need etc? or i must interact with each table? what thing that am 
missing? or this is the mac stratigy?
Thanks in advance 

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