Oh I would love these to come to the IPhone/.IPod with the next os release. For
book reading, Samantha would be kind of a drag.
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With the advent of accessible Ibooks on the Ipad and this summer on the IPhone
and IPod, I could envision these higher quality voices being made available as
an add on for the Ibook reader, or perhaps bundled with it, but not for use as
general system voices with VO. then, of course, it might
Hi Esther,
Thanks for this detailed description. I've been into that dialogue with the
unlabeled fields that you described, and as you note, I am set for dhcp. What
isn't clear to me, and forgive the question is, where am I suppose to find
these 5 entries that I am to copy into the fields under
Hi all,
I have a lot of mp3 files that I really don't want going into my music library,
since they aren't music. I want eventually to get them onto my ipod, and the
only way I know to do that is via Itunes. Thee are old time radio programs and
lectures and all sorts of other nonmusical sound
Hi Eric,
Your point about not doubling up on existing Mac keyboard shortcuts makes a lot
of sense. So, the obvious question, is there a list of such shortcuts in one
place? I found one once, but it has a lot of truly esoteric stuff in it that
I'd never heard of, much less that I would use. No,
Control f2 did not take me to the dock when I just tried it. It took me to the
menu bar. And command option d does nothing at all. So to get to the dock, the
vo command is what is working. I am going to check out that list of commands
that the accessibility folks posted, though, to see if there
Hi all,
I just got fusion version 3 installed on my mac. there is the 3.1 update
available, but I have followed the thread on this list talking about the low
volume. So I am thinking there is no good reason to get that update. I won't be
using windows 7. I'm porting over my xp machine. Can
Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also,
some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url for
any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with it. I
gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the
Hi all,
Its been a while since I installed an app from a downloaded disk image. I just
got the new version of onyx and ended up running it from within the disk image,
which is on my desktop. I thought there was a way to have the app inside the
image go directly to the apps folder. Am I crazy?
Hi all,
When I enter the downloads folder from the dock and go to an item I want to
delete, I can't send it to the trash. That item is dimmed. I'm sure this didn't
use to be the case. I know I've deleted things from my download folder. What am
I missing? Also, I have noticed that now when I
thanks, Esther. How ironic that people in the UK can't get this app!
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I found that resetting safari worked with Audible until I signed in and then I
got the crashing again. I had to clear cookies in order to be able to access
the page at all. but as soon as I signed in, thus setting a cooky, the crashing
started again, rendering the site essentially unusable.
Hi Barry,
Can you describe what you mean by initially signing and then coming back to the
site and having no problems? I reset safari, including letting it get rid of
cookies. then I went to the site and it was fine. I signed in and it crashed. I
went to another site, Amazon.com and then came
Hi all,
I thought time machine was suppose to let you role back an app or whatever else
you need to do. I did that with Safari, going back to June 6 back up. But even
though the get info command shows I have the old safari installed, I still
can't access audible and my Ichat is broken, just as
As posted yesterday, I have tried rolling back to Safari 4 via time machine,
and I have all my same problems that were introduced with 5. I deleted webkit
as well, thinking that might be causing some problem. Still no joy. I thought
rolling back to a previous app was one of the things time
Hi all,
I just verified the permissions after having repaired them, using the disk
utility. and after the repair, I'm still seeing a bunch of notations in the
verify table indicating where permissions differ from what they should be. Is
that normal? what's the point of repairing permissions if
I'm sorry to report that downloading the safari 5 from the apple site did
nothing for my problems here. I repaired permissions after installing and
loaded the audible site, which caused the restart problem just as it has all
along. I do hope they get this fixed soon.
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Turning off java script in the developer menu seems to have solved the problem
I was having on the audible site. ichat is still messed up, but at least it
sbetter than it was. Hoping for a fix soon.
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Hi Olivia,
Did turning off java fix ichat for you as well? Here id did nothing useful,
which I suppose I wouldn't expect it to; I don't guess java script is involved
with ichat, is it? anyway, still looking forward to a fix, but half a loaf
beats none.
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In addition to having to interact twice, you sometimes get taken back to the
start of the chat with no way to get to the end without reading through the
entire thing, very annoying, to say the least! Hoping for a fix.
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thanks, Darcy. Works like a charm. Having never used Safari extensions before,
I'm wondering what else is out there that might be useful and accessible and
where you find these things. A google search is obviously one way, but I'd be
curious if others have actual experiennces.
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Accessing Audible via google also works for me and has allowed me to turn
javascript back on, which has improved functionality o other sites. Still
waiting for the IChat fix.
Love the reader.Î
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Yes, pocket tunes is quite accessible and easy to use.
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Pocket tunes is an iphone/ipod touch app that lets you stream and record radio
stations and podcasts.
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I don't think pocket tunes can record at selected times. If it can, I haven't
found a way to do it. But its such a cool app otherwise. Its catalogue is
really good, as John said.
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Hi Dan,
No, I did not download a book with java script disabled. I was seeing funky
behaviour on other sites, so I tried the method of accessing audible by googlig
it and going in that way. that seems to work, so I was able to re enable java
script.
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I do not have personal experience with parallels. but there have been notes on
this list in the past stating that Parallels was completely unusable with VO.
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Hi Mark,
I've never tried command down arrow for opening anything. I just tried it on an
app in the dock and on the applications folder and nothing happened. i had
quick nav on, so I turned it off, thinking that would make a difference, maybe.
Still nothing. command down arrow does nothing
Hi Cara,
Neither vo plus space or enter does anything for me when in the doc on the
applications or documents folders. vo shift m brings up the menu that has the
open option in it. enter and vo plus space work on the doanload and other
folders, but not applications or documents. Weird.
mary
After checking list in the menu that comes up when you hit vo shift m on a
folder, I did find that pressing enter on the applications folder in the doc
did open it. thanks.
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Lots of people have had issues with Safari 5. It has exactly nothing to do with
whether one has used jaws or not. There are issues on lots of macs running this
app, both in the browser and with the IChat app. Lots of us have written to
apple accessibility, and I seem to recall that some have
Hi Nick,
I doubt its possible to reproduce the bug on the audible site without having an
account, because its the cooky that seems to cause the problem, and you
wouldn't have one of those unless you had an account and signed in. But there
have also been problems reported by people trying to use
You can't play library of congress talking books on an Ipod. so if you read a
lot of those books and magazines, you'd need some sort of something to play
them on, such as the stream, right?
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Hi David,
I never enabled time stamp in IChat. It was that way by default from the first
time I used it. I'd like to disable it but have not seen an entry for that.
Looking forward to when the problem with vo and IChat gets squashed.
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Hi all,
I'm sad to report that, at least on my system, the bug that causes crashing
when you go to audible.com by typing in the site, and the bug that causes IChat
to be unusable are not fixed with the new release of sl. I have to say that I
am disappointed. this has to be an easy one for them
Hi Scott,
I didn't provide a link, but you are right that you can go to the audible site
and navigate around, until you sign in. So if you're not a member, or if you
access audible using google search and then clicking on their link, it works.
Or if you type in the address, then turn off vo and
Hi Olivia,
I think you said you have an ipod or ipad. Get the apple store app and order
the IPhone that way. Not a fix for this problem, but you'll get your IPhone
ordered.
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Hy Barry,
How about Ichat? I tried shutting down and restarting there and its messy,
sometimes sort of works, often not. has anybody found a stable work around
with Ichat?
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Control option j takes you to the preview pane and the message is then read
automatically. vo j back to the message list. But I thought Mark said he didn't
use the preview pane.
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Wow Cara! What a major hassle. Sounds like Windows. Think I'll wait for
somebody else who is more adventurous than I am to try all that, and if it
works for them, then I'll try to do it. I can't figure out time machine
restores either, so I'd have to get sighted help for restoration of my
Hi chris,
I am thankful that the preview pane does not just start reading the next
message automatically. I delete a lot without reading, so for me, starting the
reading of each new message would not be a desired behavior. different strokes,
I guess.
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Hi all,
The announcement about the recent os update also mentioned an IWork update. I
have recently installed Iwork. Pages says it is version 4.0.3. I didn't see any
software update for Iwork, just for the os. What is the most current version of
Iwork? Is it possible that I have the most
Warning: SUID file
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has been modified and will not be repaired.
that is the message I got when I ran repair permissions for a second time this
morning. I get 3 java-related repairs that don't stick plus this
I never had the problem with mail not rreading when I pressed vo plus j. So for
me, there was no problem to fix.
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I got the new itunes but I don't yet have anything to play Ibooks on, since
ios4 isn't out yet. I was thinking maybe I'd see a new category in the store
called Ibooks, but I don't see that, and I also didn't see an Ibooks category
in the Itunes prefs, something to add to the list in the sources
I have books in my sources table, but there are audiobooks in there. I was
expecting to see ibooks as a separate category. I assume audiobooks and Ibooks
won't be mixed together in the same table.
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There has been some talk about IM clients lately and I thought folks might be
interested in something I just learned about yesterday on another Mac-related
list. You can get your incoming IChat messages read out to you by opening the
Ichat preferences (command comma when in Ichat. There is an
Hi folks,
I just had a look through the braille support section of the vo help, since I'm
at least thinking about getting a display. I've never had one of my own; I use
to use one at work, and it was wonderful for foreign language work. So now I
have some questions that the help section didn't
Hi all,
One other braille related question. Is it possible for a bluetooth display to
be paired with more than one device? Not simultaneously, of course. but could
you have an Ipad and an Iphone and a Mac, all of which are paired with the one
braille display, using one or another of these
Hi Anne,
Since I don't have a display yet, I don't imagine trying to install this will
be terribly useful just now, but I did read the instructions and have a
question. I get the idea that if you install this package, you can't switch
between American English contracted braille and some other
Thanks for the tip, annie. I thikn those Baum displays are sold here under the
Humanware brand; there doesn't seem to be a Baum dealer in the U.S.
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for setting me straight on the ability to have both contracted english
and other languages in uncontracted braille. Apple is providing multilingual
support for ios4, but its not yet in SL. So if I end up with a display, I will
most certainly install the package I got from your
Hi Cara,
In a recent message you noted that it is possible to reorder the columns in the
messages table. I see in the view menu where you can eliminate some although
message status isn't one of them, sadly. But I don't see where you can reorder
them, e.g. I want subject first, furtherst to the
thanks, Cara, for the post from Josh. I don't have a Macbook, so the trackpad
isn't available here. But I do have numpad commander and quicknav. Not much
good here, but good other places. Tradeoffs.
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Hi Eric,
By they are only set up for computer braille entry, I assume you mean vo, not
the particular display, the bc640? Or did you mean just that display?
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Hi allison,
While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say,
no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade.
Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such
as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget
Hi John,
I have a copy of fusion and was planning to port an xp set up over to my Mac
with the K1000. I'm using a bookedge scanner, and its driver installation is a
bit nonstandard, hence the desire to port over, rather than just getting win7
and startig fresh. What scanner are you using with
Yes, I've heard of that Humanware device, the Intel reader. Its got a hefty
pricetag, and it doesn't run on a Mac either. the folks who make the IPAL are
supposedly starting a beta test program for something that will run on a mac
and use the same system for scanning as they have with Windows.
Thanks, John. that Fujitsu doesn't sound like the scanner for me. I doubt the
library would appreciate me cutting up their books. smile
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for your reply about using the braille star. I'd love to see the
Handytech braille cels. Apparently, its a unique design, and people either love
it or hate it. its hard to picture how the concave cells are without getting
your hands on a display.
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Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app for
the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most efficient
way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however.
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For whatever reason, although the view menu in preview was set to view a pdf as
single page continuous, the document I was having problems with wasn't reading
like that. Reopening the document and preview solved the problem; no idea why
it didn't work right the first time.
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It means that a dialogue will open if you activate this menu item. Its like
what jaws use to say dot dot dot when it got to an item that opened a dialogue.
maybe it still says that; I don't know. It assumes that you know that the
elipses means a dialogue will open if you activate the item.
Hi Anne,
Interestingly, with web navigation in dom mode I also focused on the heading of
that article chris posted about and hit vo a and got the exact results he did.
A bunch of the article was skipped. VO read one paragraph and then jumped to
the tables that appear after the article. the
Hi all,
Because I was having this issue with vo crashing in the html area where you get
incoming ichat messages, I found out from another list that its possible to
have incoming messages read in Ichat by setting that up in preferences. The
only problem is, the incomings are read very slowly. i
Hi Anne,
My mouse cursor is not tied to the vo cursor either, but I got the same reading
results as Chris.
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Hi Esther,
I'm feeling fairly silly about now. I've found the language rotor with its many
languages and the reorder buttons. In a note to John, you mentioned selecting
certain languages to be in the rotor. Here, all the languages are there. that
is in settings, general, accessibility, voice
Hi Esther,
Well, I do feel stupid. I saw all the languages and the reorder buttons, and
for some reason, it never occurred to me that I had to double tap to select the
language, so convinced was I that the buttons held the key to the problem, as
in, double tap and hold and them maybe something
Thanks a lot for the russian language site, Esther. I may get brave and try the
Russian keyboard to see if I have any better luck finding sites than I do
trying to guess at transliterations and wondering if they get properly
transliterated back into the original language. Haven't typed on a
Hi all,
I have installed the Ibooks app on my touch. I'm getting the impression that to
purchase or just get free books, I have to do that from within the app; there
is a 'store button. I was hoping I could shop on my Mac and synch up with the
Touch, but I'm not seeing any sort of ibooks entry
I think I remember seeing that Iwork was going to become available for the Ipod
and IPhone this summer. In the mean time, if you wanted to use the Ipod as a
serious notetaking device, is there something that you can take notes in and
then later get those notes onto a pc or a mac? In my case,
When I go to the google search page, which is my home page, I always land right
in the edit field into which one types search terms. So I think you might be
onto something with your theory that having Safari set to read pages
automatically could be causing the VO cursor not to land directly in
Hi Doug,
I looked at the description and reviews for documents 2. It looks like an
incredible app for the price of a mere $2. Some reviewers weren't too happy
with it. but if its accessible with VO, what's not to like?
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Hi all,
For those of you using braille displays, I'm curious whether it has been
standard operating procedure for Apple to provide key assignments for the
various keys on supported displays. I got the idea this info was available if
one has a display hooked up, which I don't yet have. I ask
Hi Chris,
You can move to the next text element that isn't a link with control option p.
I like the single finger key strokes as found in the Windows screen readers,
because they're easier, especially if you're on a limited keyboard that lacks a
full compliment of control etc keys on either
Ibooks is now available on the Ipod touch and Iphone, not just hte Ipad. Its
not on the Mac.
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Simon, Ibooks is for ebooks in the epub format and it will also read pdfs.
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the school system where my husband teaches here in Oregon uses all macs. I
don't know if others do or not.
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Can this be done? I just installed the latest webkit, and it has solved the
Audible problem. I'd like to import my safari bookmarks into webkit; can that
be done?
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Hi Esther,
When I opened the bookmarks menu and went looking for a whole bunch of russian
bookmarks I have stored in Safari, I didn't see them in the submenu of the
bookmarks bar. that is what prompted my question about the safari bookmarks. I
have no idea why, but the bookmarks show up in
Well, it must be time to turn this off and go to bed. I just opened webkit
again, and my Russian links that I swear were not there when I was last in
webkit were there as Esther said bookmarks should be. Definitely time to call
it a night!
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Hi Ben, this is the Springfield school district, right next to Eugene, Oregon
where we live that uses all macs. what they use in their district offices, I
haven't a clue. but in the schools themselves, its mac all the way according to
my better half.
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No, it won't work with the Ipod because the Ipod has no camera with which to
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Hi all,
I have recently installed the stanza app on my Ipod and subsequently went to
the website to look at the faq. For whatever reason, the portion of faq having
to do with transfering files didn't show answers when I clicked on one of the
questions in that section. Anyway, my questions are
I would love to see application specific settings and also an easy way to
adjust speech rate on the fly.
Another thing I would like is a way to skim through text while continuous
reading is in progress. Move by line is something the screen readers have had
for a while now, and it is very
Hi Nick,
For me, this ichat problem arose with the upgrade to Safari 5. I did send a
message to apple, and I sent another one after the upgrade to 10.6.4 didn't fix
the problem. Now, webkit has fixed the other safari problems that remained
after the sl upgrade. but the ichat problem still
Hi Ann,
I'm talking about skipping text while vo is reading, not stopping speech and
reading by line etc. If you find yourself wanting to skip over chunks of text
or lines, this is a very useful feature, one I use in my Windows life quite
often. Since I use quicknav, I also don't tent to lock
Hi John,
Unless I'm just not doing it right, the present reading commands don't exactly
do what I'm talking about. for example, control option down arrow is suppose to
read next line. It does that. but what I want to be able to do, and can do with
Windows screen readers and my ocr application
Thanks for the tip on ghost reader, Ann. I do have infovox voices, but not
ghost reader. I actually would like this ability incorporated into vo, rather
than having to buy yet another separate application. It seems a lot simpler
than using an entirely different app, but I'll go have another
Hi Chris,
I was somehow blissfully not aware of the ability to switch speech rate and
language without going into the voiceover utility. Now that I know about it, I
will definitely use it.
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Hi Donna,
I find that moving icons from page to page works often, but not always, just as
it did under the previous os. Seems to help if you're not starting from a
position next to the side of the screen you hope to move towards to get an icon
to move that way, i.e. when moving an icon to a
If voice over doesn't come up on its own after a crash, starting up the voice
over practice guide with control option command f8 then exiting out of there
will work pretty much every time here.
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Hi Allison,
In addition to turning pages as Ricardo described, you can also read
continuously by using the two finger flick down once you've touched a line of
text so as to establish focus in that area. Unless you have some reason to read
page by page, you may find this a lot more convenient,
of their way to do that
and then comment on it!
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The keyboard on the two air models seems exactly the same to me, except that
the function keys on the 11-inch are narrower from top of key to bottom of key
than those on the 13.
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In case there are folks on here who want to listen to the NFL on sirius/xm on
line, I'm happy to say that the games are available via accessible application
Pulsar from rogueamoeba software.
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is still usable. You use to be
able to get listings there. Or you could listen on your xm or sirius radio and
wait for the announcement of the game listings to come up on their barker
channel, whose number I forget now.
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So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the 256
gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one
expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage!
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. In the case that
one of these suits the needs of the perspective user, the cost of a Mac mini
plus needed accessories will not be less, even in the long run, than a
comparable pc and one of the above named screen readers.
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