Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
I happen to use ducking, as well as Airplay.  I hate ducking on OSX, but on 
iOS, it's a Godsend in my opinion.  I've never had this effect the alarm 
though, ever.  Not in 9, nor in 10, and trust me, I ran the private developer 
seeds of 9 all the way from the WWDC date release up to the very last day a 
week or so ago before 10 was released.  I also on another device have ran 10 
since the WWDC announce date this year in June and have  been updating every 
seed and now have the official non beta release installed.  So, if this is 
truly a ducking thing, then it's not effecting me with Airplay, nor with the 
alarm, and never has.  Go figure.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Anders Holmberg 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1


  Hi!
  Audio Ducking messes up airplay also.
  Really annoying.
  I have been reporting that issue but its never fixed.
  /A

On 21 Sep 2016, at 03:02, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:


Good thinking there! I turned off audio ducking, I can't stand it, and I 
have not encountered this issue.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn





  On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
wrote:


  Hi!
  Come to think of one thing.
  Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
  Just a thought from me.
  /A

20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub <becnc...@gmail.com>:


I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is 
pretty soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any 
problems. Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
Becky and GDF dog Hazel

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns <johns.k...@gmail.com> wrote:


  I’m having the same issue.
  Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
  starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.


  On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

Hi all,



I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the 
Alarm

app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my 
bus/train this

morning.



Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play 
at all

when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute 
button set

and I think that causes a problem too.



Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as 
I’ve

never submitted one before.



Thx,

Jeff





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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-21 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
Audio Ducking messes up airplay also.
Really annoying.
I have been reporting that issue but its never fixed.
/A
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 03:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Good thinking there! I turned off audio ducking, I can't stand it, and I have 
> not encountered this issue.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Come to think of one thing.
>> Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
>> Just a thought from me.
>> /A
>>> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub >> >:
>>> 
>>> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is 
>>> pretty soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any 
>>> problems. Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
>>> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I’m having the same issue.
 Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
 starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
 
 
 On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
> and I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Good thinking there! I turned off audio ducking, I can't stand it, and I have 
not encountered this issue.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Come to think of one thing.
> Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
> Just a thought from me.
> /A
>> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub > >:
>> 
>> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
>> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
>> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
>> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having the same issue.
>>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
 app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
 morning.
 
 Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
 when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
 and I think that causes a problem too.
 
 Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
 never submitted one before.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
Come to think of one thing.
Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
Just a thought from me.
/A
> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub :
> 
> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  > wrote:
> 
>> I’m having the same issue.
>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>>> 
>>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>>> never submitted one before.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
I don’t know if there might be some 3rd part apps you could try.
I used to use the yocto clock but it doesn’t seem be developped anymore.
/A
> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 00:58 skrev Jeff Berwick :
> 
> I appreciate your thorough testing.  I only have my one iPhone :( , and have 
> run several tests.  The last test I ran seemed to be better, so here is 
> hoping that tomorrow morning I wake up on time. :)
> 
> Basically, what was happening for me in my tests was that the alarm would 
> turn on, then voiceover would say “Alarm” really loud and then the music was 
> non-existent.  I wonder if this has anything to do with me using a custom 
> alarm noise instead of the standard alarm sounds.
> 
> Anyway, let’s hope all is good.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  
>> 
>> I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision 
>> to use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was 
>> able to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume 
>> levels.  I ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and 
>> an iPhone 6 S Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, 
>> one from Verizon Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.
>> 
>> In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
>> whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.
>> 
>> Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
>> tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.
>> 
>> In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
>> very easy for me to compare volume levels.  
>> 
>> Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and 
>> ran tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock 
>> Alarm performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.
>> 
>> I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
>> not exist; at least, not that I could detect.
>> 
>> Happy Hunting,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread christopher hallsworth 
accessibil...@apple.com
is the best way to report  accessibility related bugs. You can also send your 
feedback through this online form at
www.apple.com/feedback


> On 20 Sep 2016, at 19:27, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Okay, so it looks like something is going on that should be reported.  I was 
> not part of the beta, so I don’t have the beta app to report bugs.  Is this 
> something that should be reported to accessibil...@apple.com, or is there a 
> better place for this?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, becky knaub  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
>> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
>> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
>> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having the same issue.
>>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
 app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
 morning.
 
 Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
 when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
 and I think that causes a problem too.
 
 Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
 never submitted one before.
 
 Thx,
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread Jeff Berwick 
Okay, so it looks like something is going on that should be reported.  I was 
not part of the beta, so I don’t have the beta app to report bugs.  Is this 
something that should be reported to accessibil...@apple.com 
, or is there a better place for this?

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, becky knaub  wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  > wrote:
> 
>> I’m having the same issue.
>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>>> 
>>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>>> never submitted one before.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread becky knaub 
I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
Becky and GDF dog Hazel

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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  wrote:
> 
> I’m having the same issue.
> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
> 
> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-20 Thread kary johns 
I’m having the same issue.
Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.


On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
> morning.
>
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
> and I think that causes a problem too.
>
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
> never submitted one before.
>
> Thx,
> Jeff
>
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
I can't reproduce this either on an IPhone 6S, an IPhone 6, an IPhone 6+, 
nor an IPad Pro 12 inch.  Come to think of it, I even tried on my mom's IPad 
Air first generation, and wasn't able to reproduce there either.


Are you sure that you haven't possibly accidentally gone under 
Settings>Sound and somehow set your default alarm tone to "None?"  It's 
unlikely, I agree, but I'd still check, just in case.

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Subject: Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1


Hi Jeff,


I do not have that problem on my ipod touch 6th gen with ios 10.01.
Perhaps it is something with the phone?


Matthew




On 09/19/2016 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
morning.


Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
and I think that causes a problem too.


Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
never submitted one before.


Thx,
Jeff




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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread sonar mate 

Hi Jeff,


I do not have that problem on my ipod touch 6th gen with ios 10.01.  
Perhaps it is something with the phone?



Matthew




On 09/19/2016 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm app.  
Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this morning.

Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all when 
Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and I 
think that causes a problem too.

Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve never 
submitted one before.

Thx,
Jeff




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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Jeff Berwick 
I appreciate your thorough testing.  I only have my one iPhone :( , and have 
run several tests.  The last test I ran seemed to be better, so here is hoping 
that tomorrow morning I wake up on time. :)

Basically, what was happening for me in my tests was that the alarm would turn 
on, then voiceover would say “Alarm” really loud and then the music was 
non-existent.  I wonder if this has anything to do with me using a custom alarm 
noise instead of the standard alarm sounds.

Anyway, let’s hope all is good.

Thanks,
Jeff

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  
> 
> I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision 
> to use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was 
> able to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume 
> levels.  I ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and an 
> iPhone 6 S Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, one 
> from Verizon Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.
> 
> In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
> whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.
> 
> Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
> tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.
> 
> In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
> very easy for me to compare volume levels.  
> 
> Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and 
> ran tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock Alarm 
> performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.
> 
> I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
> not exist; at least, not that I could detect.
> 
> Happy Hunting,
> 
> Mark
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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RE: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread M. Taylor 
Jeff,

Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  

I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision to 
use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was able 
to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume levels.  I 
ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and an iPhone 6 S 
Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, one from Verizon 
Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.

In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.

Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.

In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
very easy for me to compare volume levels.  

Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and ran 
tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock Alarm 
performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.

I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
not exist; at least, not that I could detect.

Happy Hunting,

Mark

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm app.  
Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this morning.

Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all when 
Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and I 
think that causes a problem too.

Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve never 
submitted one before.

Thx,
Jeff


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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

One user's superfluous fluff may be another user's saviour.  Unsupported, or 
ill-researched opinions tend to hurt your credibility and don't really help 
your cause.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 09:56, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

No alarm heard here.
Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that a 
mail message comes from a mail list that they signed on to; or use alarms for 
anything as important as full time employment. L

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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> morning.
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> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
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> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Donna Goodin 
I just tried it using the Timer Tab, and everything was fine.  On an iPhone 7, 
running 10.01.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Mary Otten 
That business about mail list is not for just blind people. It's there for 
everybody. And it is there to make it easy to unsubscribe from things. Have you 
ever tried to unsubscribe from a mail list and had to dig through bunches of 
pages once you got to the website that they sent YouTube to unsubscribe? If so, 
you wouldn't regard this as fluff. Just saying.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> No alarm heard here.
> Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
> and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
> that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that 
> a mail message comes from a mail list that they signed on to; or use alarms 
> for anything as important as full time employment. L
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 08:13, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Cheree Heppe 
No alarm heard here.
Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that a 
mail message comes from a mail list that they signed on to; or use alarms for 
anything as important as full time employment. L

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 08:13, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Rachel Feinberg 
The alarm does seem to be a lot quieter since iOS 10 came around. If you're 
testing with the beta app, find the Feedback app and activate it. You'll have a 
chance to title your report, choose which category your report falls under, 
like accessibility, and so on. Then, you'll have a place to write out the bug 
and how they can reproduce it.
Thanks,
Rachel.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I just had an alarm this morning and it worked fine. But it was 
> from the Bedtime tab, not alarm, though I’d think it’d work the same way.
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

2016-09-19 Thread Brandon A. Olivares 
Interesting. I just had an alarm this morning and it worked fine. But it was 
from the Bedtime tab, not alarm, though I’d think it’d work the same way.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
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> I think that causes a problem too.
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> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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