Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I can't attest to the quality but Harbor Freight has a 5 watt solar 
charger for $40. The small cube AC converters are 5 watts (last I 
checked) so this should give a similar charge time in strong sun.


https://www.harborfreight.com/5-watt-foldable-solar-panel-charger-60449.html

CB

On 8/10/17 11:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I do ok but remember a lot of these options are free like the small solar 
chargers you get at trade shows in bags of swag.  You know me I like to offer 
solutions from free on up so that anyone can benefit regardless of their bottom 
line.  I don’t want to see technology in the hands of a few the digital divide 
is a very real thing and getting options available at all price points is 
important so nobody is left out.



On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.

Kawal.

On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.

For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small stuff 
up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then a 
transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops to 
the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  want 
locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively off 
the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours may 
do the same thing.
Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread box 
or old style portable TV.





On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,

My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage in 
your town during a storm or something?

If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
No power no charging.

I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile
My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but still 
I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could
change the wireless 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I figured rectifiers could be pretty small, benefiting from the overall 
reduction in semiconductor sizes. That whole RF beam forming and antenna 
stuff gets beyond my basic electronics knowhow. Of course with Apple 
working with Cochlear, maybe someday the whole device will just be 
attached to the audio nerves.


https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/08/05/1922201/how-apple-is-putting-voices-in-users-headsliterally

CB

On 8/10/17 11:36 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hey if I could be such a prolific inventor I’d talk to the birds too.:)
I think you have the basic idea although I think it’s a bit more 
complex than that.  I do know there are some key semiconductors involved in 
modern wireless charging.  As I understand it you’re using more of a radio wave 
conversion to power deal than pure inductance although I think some systems do 
work that way.  This reminds me more of the platforms where they propose 
putting a bunch of solar cells in orbit and then beaming down the power on high 
energy microwaves where they can be converted back to AC and dropped in the 
grid.
I think you can get bridge rectifiers in pretty small packages now that 
would fit in a phone.  Just amazing we’re even having this discussion.  I can’t 
wait until I have a phone with no ports what so ever.  No charging port, no 
headphone port, nothing but wireless interconnection.





On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:22 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea is that 
the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer setup and then 
needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change the power back to DC. I 
always thought transformers and capacitors were heavy bulky things so I can see 
why it's taken a while to get this into a phone-sized package.

CB

On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
  

On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Hey if I could be such a prolific inventor I’d talk to the birds too.:)
I think you have the basic idea although I think it’s a bit more 
complex than that.  I do know there are some key semiconductors involved in 
modern wireless charging.  As I understand it you’re using more of a radio wave 
conversion to power deal than pure inductance although I think some systems do 
work that way.  This reminds me more of the platforms where they propose 
putting a bunch of solar cells in orbit and then beaming down the power on high 
energy microwaves where they can be converted back to AC and dropped in the 
grid.
I think you can get bridge rectifiers in pretty small packages now that 
would fit in a phone.  Just amazing we’re even having this discussion.  I can’t 
wait until I have a phone with no ports what so ever.  No charging port, no 
headphone port, nothing but wireless interconnection.




> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:22 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea is 
> that the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer setup and 
> then needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change the power back 
> to DC. I always thought transformers and capacitors were heavy bulky things 
> so I can see why it's taken a while to get this into a phone-sized package.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas 
>> Edison derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.
>> 
>> Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from 
>> the air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all 
>> that infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to 
>> the air and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  
>> I think of his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.
>> 
>> Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
>> airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket 
>> will be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of 
>> infrastructure.  You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers 
>> in all the right places.
>> 
>> Very exciting.
>>  
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My goodness!
>>> Thanks for that read.
>>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>>> preparedness situations.
>>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
>>> days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>>> that had to stop.
>>> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
>>> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>>> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
>>> what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
>>> heat.
>>> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
>>> wireless charging might make During flooding?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
 How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
 As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
 abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
 the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
 replace
 Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
 wireless charging?
 But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in 
 the
 eye of the beholder.
 Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
 charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
 those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
 burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
 need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
 not attached directly to the phone.
 
 Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
 wireless charging compatibility.
 Sarah Tew/CNET
 That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
 misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
 batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
 is a real-world technology, too.
 Wireless charging over a distance could 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I do ok but remember a lot of these options are free like the small solar 
chargers you get at trade shows in bags of swag.  You know me I like to offer 
solutions from free on up so that anyone can benefit regardless of their bottom 
line.  I don’t want to see technology in the hands of a few the digital divide 
is a very real thing and getting options available at all price points is 
important so nobody is left out. 


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
> you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.
>> 
>> For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from 
>> say the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge 
>> case and takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could 
>> charge anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the 
>> right unit.  Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for 
>> the small stuff up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
>>  Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
>> natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then 
>> a transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops 
>> to the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
>> battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
>> refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
>> kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  
>> want locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
>>  Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
>> batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively 
>> off the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
>>  Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
>> put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  
>> Gave me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the 
>> electric company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery 
>> banks if I lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be 
>> expensive north of 35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies 
>> at the time, yours may do the same thing.
>>  Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
>> these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
>> Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread 
>> box or old style portable TV.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
>>> 
>>> My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power 
>>> outage in your town during a storm or something?
>>> 
>>> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you 
>>> charge?
>>> No power no charging.
>>> 
>>> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
>>> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
>>> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - 
>>> CNET
>>> 
>>> My goodness!
>>> Thanks for that read.
>>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>>> preparedness situations.
>>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
>>> days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>>> that had to stop.
>>> i still have, and will ke

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea 
is that the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer 
setup and then needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change 
the power back to DC. I always thought transformers and capacitors were 
heavy bulky things so I can see why it's taken a while to get this into 
a phone-sized package.


CB

On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
  


On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too.
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device.
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat.
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.

The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.

Kawal.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.
> 
> For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
> the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
> takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
> anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
> Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small 
> stuff up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
>   Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
> natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then 
> a transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops 
> to the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
> battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
> refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
> kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  
> want locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
>   Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
> batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively 
> off the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
>   Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
> put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
> me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
> company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
> lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
> 35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours 
> may do the same thing.
>   Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
> these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
> Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread 
> box or old style portable TV.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
>> 
>> My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
>> in your town during a storm or something?
>> 
>> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
>> No power no charging.
>> 
>> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
>> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
>> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
>> 
>> My goodness!
>> Thanks for that read.
>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>> preparedness situations.
>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
>> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>> that had to stop.
>> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
>> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what 
>>  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
>> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
>> wireless charging might make During flooding?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
>>> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
>>> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
>>> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
>>> presumed high-

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.

For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small stuff 
up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then a 
transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops to 
the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  want 
locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively off 
the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours may 
do the same thing.
Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread box 
or old style portable TV.
 



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
> 
>  My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
> in your town during a storm or something?
> 
> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
> No power no charging.
> 
> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
> 
> My goodness!
> Thanks for that read.
> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
> preparedness situations.
> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
> products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
> stop.
> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>  I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what 
>  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
> wireless charging might make During flooding?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
>> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
>> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
>> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
>> presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
>> replace Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone 
>> finally get wireless charging?
>> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is 
>> in the eye of the beholder.
>> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones 
>> onto a charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging 
>> cable. And those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at 
>> coffee shops, burger joints and even furniture you ca

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
 

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> My goodness!
> Thanks for that read.
> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
> preparedness situations.
> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
> products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
> stop.
> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
> Sony walkman.  had I not,
> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
> was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
> wireless charging might make During flooding?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>> How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
>> As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
>> abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
>> the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
>> Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
>> wireless charging?
>> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
>> eye of the beholder.
>> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
>> charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
>> those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
>> burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
>> need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
>> not attached directly to the phone.
>> 
>> Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
>> wireless charging compatibility.
>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>> That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
>> misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
>> batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
>> is a real-world technology, too.
>> Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
>> allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
>> technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
>> our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
>> the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
>> mass-market consumer device.
>> So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
>> wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
>> Apple might incorporate.
>> Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
>> Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
>> is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
>> charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
>> space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
>> "chee" -- and Powermat.
>> Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
>> technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
>> would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
>> "sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
>> pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.
>> 
>> The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
>> Manhattan Starbucks.
>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>> Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
>> McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
>> restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
>> Starbucks and 

RE: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,

  My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
in your town during a storm or something?

If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
 No power no charging.

 I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but still 
I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
  I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:

> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
> presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
> replace Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone 
> finally get wireless charging?
> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is 
> in the eye of the beholder.
> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones 
> onto a charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging 
> cable. And those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at 
> coffee shops, burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. 
> But those pads still need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire 
> is still there, it's just not attached directly to the phone.
>
> Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include 
> wireless charging compatibility.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a 
> misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which 
> batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not 
> centimeters -- is a real-world technology, too.
> Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer, 
> allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The 
> technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart 
> devices in our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just 
> needs to get over the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and 
> actually show up in a mass-market consumer device.
> So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will 
> include wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different 
> technologies that Apple might incorporate.
> Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
> Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive 
> charging is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
> charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
> space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is 
> pronounced "chee" -- and Powermat.
> Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance 
> technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. 
> That would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the 
> charging pad "sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or 
> that the charging pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.
>
> The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a 
> Manhattan Starbucks.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, 
> and McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at 
> its restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in 
> some Starbucks and airport lounges.
> The rivals 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Karen Lewellen]

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
preparedness situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?

As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
that had to stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand 
a Sony walkman.  had I 
not,
 I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?

Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too.
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device.
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat.
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.

The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah Tew/CNET
Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
Starbucks and airport lounges.
The rivals are backed by two opposing standards organizations, too: The
Wireless Power Consortium for Qi, and the AirFuel Alliance for Powermat. The
latter was formed when Powermat and its Power Matters Alliance merged with a
third, rival wireless standard (confusingly called the Alliance for Wireless
Power, or A4WP) in 2014.
The good news is that the rivalry has been less of a zero-sum game in recent
years. Samsung, for one, has made its recent high-end Galaxy phones
(including the S7 and S8) compatible with both inductive charging standards,
so you can juice it up on a Qi-powered counter at McDonald's and a
Powermat-powered one at Starbucks.
'True' wireless charging: Energous and Powercast
Forget about 4 centimeters. How about charging from a distance of 4 meters?
Or anywhere in an average-size room?
It's a pretty recent concept, but companies like Energous and Powercast are
producing technology that can more accurately be called wire-free. Both use
radio frequency (RF) energy, a charging method that works similarly to
Wi-Fi, that enables devices to charge when within the range of a power
transmitter.
Energous is