Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Uh, it is.  I guess I'm not getting your point, I apologize.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kliphton Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  I thought command s was the command to save on the mac?


On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... 
yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index 
to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
not showing up.

I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

Chris.


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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Scott Granados 
It’s to bad Chris is so out to lunch, I know the solution to this one but I 
won’t help him.  Tim, if you want to know or anyone else write me off list.
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get 
> back to you in a bit.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Tim Kilburn <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
>> the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>>  
>> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
>> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
>> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
>> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>>  
>> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
>> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
>> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
>> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
>> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
>> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
>> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>>  
>> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
>> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>>  
>> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
>> not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
>> that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
>> world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
>> you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all 
>> devices... yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on 
>> iOS, I went settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows 
>> my Apple ID on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I 
>> have.  Many times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the 
>> mac, I'm going to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services 
>> table, and contacts is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices 
>> turning contacts off and back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, 
>> I was asked what to do with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>>  
>> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
>> find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table 
>> index to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and 
>> they are not showing up.
>>  
>> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
>> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
>> So yeah... What on earth!
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Kliphton Miller 
I thought command s was the command to save on the mac?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>  
> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>  
> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>  
> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>  
> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
> in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
> the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world 
> is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
> absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  
> I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
> settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID 
> on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many 
> times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going 
> to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts 
> is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and 
> back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do 
> with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>  
> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
> them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
> the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
> not showing up.
>  
> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
> So yeah... What on earth!
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
I seem to recall about half a year ago having this same problem.  What's really 
weird is, if I add a contact from iOS, then, it definitely! does show on my 
macs.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get 
back to you in a bit.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


  Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


Chris,


On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... 
yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index 
to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
not showing up.

I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

Chris.


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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get back 
to you in a bit.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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> - Original Message - 
> From: Tim Kilburn <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts
> 
> Chris,
> 
> On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
> the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>  
> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>  
> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>  
> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>  
> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
> in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
> the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world 
> is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
> absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  
> I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
> settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID 
> on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many 
> times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going 
> to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts 
> is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and 
> back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do 
> with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>  
> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
> them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
> the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
> not showing up.
>  
> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
> So yeah... What on earth!
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  Chris,


  On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


  OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

  I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

  On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

  Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

  I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world is 
going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  I 
am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

  I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are not 
showing up.

  I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

  Chris.


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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

2016-09-21 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Chris,

On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near the 
bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
 
I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 10. 
 All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
 
On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
 
Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I look 
in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
 
I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world is 
going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  I 
am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.
 
I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are not 
showing up.
 
I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!
 
Chris.

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