Re: Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Your experience is similar to mine.  I had them in the late 90s back east, then 
tried again in 2005 and had them for about 5 
years and stopped using them around 2011 or so.  My mother is still a dish 
customer because Comcast is so bad.  Every time I watch her TV it seems like 
there are fewer and fewer channels.  Compared to FIOS it’s a fraction of the 
channels we have available.


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I think this was when I had a  4S that we had dish. We've 
> actually had it a few different times. We had it back east, way before there 
> were phones like android and iPhone. Then we had it out here a couple of 
> different times, the last one of which was a few years ago when I had a lousy 
> accessibility experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at 
>> the time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the 
>> time frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
>>> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. 
>>> Surprise!
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>>>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>>>> 
>>>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US 
>>>> workers and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled 
>>>> people instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, 
>>>> they had a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches 
>>>> and the dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net 
>>>>> <mailto:br...@hostany.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have 
>>>>> a decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear 
>>>>> about one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or 
>>>>> that local TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those 
>>>>> customers affected by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being 
>>>>> pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the 
>>>>> news with them.
>>>>>  
>>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>>>>>> modulation beating verizon again!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My 
>>>>>> problem starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see 
>>>>>>> any upside there at all.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lo

Re: Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I think this was when I had a  4S that we had dish. We've actually 
had it a few different times. We had it back east, way before there were phones 
like android and iPhone. Then we had it out here a couple of different times, 
the last one of which was a few years ago when I had a lousy accessibility 
experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
> time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
> frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
>> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>>> 
>>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US 
>>> workers and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled 
>>> people instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, 
>>> they had a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches 
>>> and the dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have 
>>>>> a decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear 
>>>>> about one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or 
>>>>> that local TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those 
>>>>> customers affected by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being 
>>>>> pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the 
>>>>> news with them.
>>>>>  
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: Scott Granados
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>>>>> modulation beating verizon again!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My 
>>>>> problem starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see 
>>>>>> any upside there at all.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>>>>>>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>>>>>>> spectrum.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of 
>>>>>>> debt.  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re 
>>>>>>> right though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called 
>>>>>>> building 51 (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole 
>>>>>>> replication of the VZ network in miniature in our building.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be
>>>>>>> nice for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>>>>>>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>>>>>>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>>>>>  
>>>&g

Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>> 
>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
>> and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people 
>> instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had 
>> a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the 
>> dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>> 
>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net 
>>> <mailto:br...@hostany.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
>>> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about 
>>> one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local 
>>> TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected 
>>> by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
>>> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>>>> modulation beating verizon again!
>>>> 
>>>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
>>>> starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
>>>>> upside there at all.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>>>>>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>>>>>> spectrum.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt. 
>>>>>>  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right 
>>>>>> though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 
>>>>>> (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ 
>>>>>> network in miniature in our building.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
>>>>>> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>>>>>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>>>>>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
>>>>>>> I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. 
>>>>>>> They still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have 
>>>>>>&

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
> 
> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
> and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people instead 
> of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had a good 
> product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the dim view 
> he has of the disabled also became apparent.
> 
> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
>>> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about 
>>> one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local 
>>> TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected 
>>> by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
>>> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message ----- 
>>> From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>>> modulation beating verizon again!
>>> 
>>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
>>> starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
>>>> upside there at all.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>>>>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>>>>> spectrum.
>>>>> 
>>>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
>>>>> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right 
>>>>> though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 
>>>>> (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ 
>>>>> network in miniature in our building.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
>>>>> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum 
>>>>> to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be 
>>>>> more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>>>>>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>>>>>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>>>>>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>>>>>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and 
>>>>>> you would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and 
>>>>>> their ability to do stuff in the future
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
>>>>>>> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in 
>>>>>>> the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they won’t 
pay the extra 8 cents per sub.

The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people instead 
of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had a good 
product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the dim view he 
has of the disabled also became apparent.

Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept of 
> services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about one 
> of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local TV 
> company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected by 
> it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
>> beating verizon again!
>> 
>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
>> starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
>>> upside there at all.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
>>>> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
>>>> 
>>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
>>>> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, 
>>>> it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. 
>>>> should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network 
>>>> in miniature in our building.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
>>>> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum 
>>>> to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be 
>>>> more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>>>>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>>>>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>>>>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>>>>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you 
>>>>> would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their 
>>>>> ability to do stuff in the future
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
>>>>>> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in 
>>>>>> the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Brent Harding]

The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept of 
services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a decent 
selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about one of those 
retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local TV company makes 
me think about how bad it is for those customers affected by it. I don't think 
any provider is immune from being pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is 
the one that seems to make the news with them.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
beating verizon again!


  Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
starts with the CEO and works on down from there.


On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
upside there at all.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:


  You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.


  VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature in 
our building.


  I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for 
T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better 
use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
happen, I hope it does not.



On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:


Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think that 
would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in 
the future

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:


  I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)


On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:


Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> 
wrote:


  Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign 
and I know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)




On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet 
in my aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really 
need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.

Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:


  For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced 
or the ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to 
the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and 
new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths 
to your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
quickly being rolled out network wide.
  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled 
out across the T

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
starts with the CEO and works on down from there.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
> upside there at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
>> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
>> 
>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
>> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, 
>> it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should 
>> like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in 
>> miniature in our building.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo 
>> to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better 
>> use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to 
>> make happen, I hope it does not.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you 
>>> would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their 
>>> ability to do stuff in the future
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
 sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
 group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
>> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
>> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is 
>> nice.  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
 ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
 network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps 
 back in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with 
 maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies 
 have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload 
 and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
 your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths 
 per band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) 
 between your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running 
 now in over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
 frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be 
 fully rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  
 Combined these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster 
 throughput and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out 
 worrying about user contention or the need to throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
 the area that Verizon covers 

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

They used to also hold a very large block of Verizon Wireless.  Verizon however 
has paid to separate from what I understand.


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:20 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No, AT wireless is Vodafone's roaming partner in the US.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/09/2016, at 20:50, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Do Vodafone exist in the USA?
>>  
>> Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for 
>> mobile networks?
>>  
>> I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding 
>> mobile technology
>> I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
>> correctly.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
>> beating verizon again!
>>  
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>  
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>>  
>>  
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers. T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available. Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.
>>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset. This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower. This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time. This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october. Combined these 
>> technologies allow f

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
upside there at all.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
> 
> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
> does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
> that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature 
> in our building.
> 
> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
> buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
> Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
> happen, I hope it does not.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice. 
>  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 
>>> 256/quad download.  
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
>>> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per 
>>> band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between 
>>> your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in 
>>> over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
>>> frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully 
>>> rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined 
>>> these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput 
>>> and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying 
>>> about user contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
>>> the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans 
>>> continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the 
>>> highest in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw 
>>> capacity and more towers to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any 

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[David Chittenden]

No, AT wireless is Vodafone's roaming partner in the US.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20/09/2016, at 20:50, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Do Vodafone exist in the USA?
>  
> Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for mobile 
> networks?
>  
> I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding mobile 
> technology
> I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
> correctly.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
> beating verizon again!
>  
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
> well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think 
> that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do 
> stuff in the future
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>  
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
> at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>  
>  
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame 
> or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the 
> area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
>  
> Read more here
>  
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>  
>  
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RE: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Simon Fogarty]

Do Vodafone exist in the USA?

Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for mobile 
networks?

I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding mobile 
technology
I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
correctly.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
beating verizon again!

Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I think. 
It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They still have 
the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money than anybody 
to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing well. But they 
are still number three in the big race, and you would think that would impact 
of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very sharp 
people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO group, 
they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)

On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
at Verizon just got smoked.:)


On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my aggregation 
of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. Maybe that means 
even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need that wider coverage 
out here in the wild wild West.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 2014 
and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead being over 
2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  
Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 
64/quad upload and 256/quad download.
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these technologies 
allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the ability to offer 
truly unlimited services with out worrying about user contention or the need to 
throttle.
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the 
area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
carry your traffic.

Read more here

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm


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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[David Chittenden]

Also, T-Mobile is in international carrier. I believe they are based in Germany.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20/09/2016, at 17:19, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t that interesting, dictation translated merger as burger.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
>> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
>> 
>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
>> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, 
>> it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should 
>> like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in 
>> miniature in our building.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo 
>> to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better 
>> use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to 
>> make happen, I hope it does not.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you 
>>> would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their 
>>> ability to do stuff in the future
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
 sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
 group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
>> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
>> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is 
>> nice.  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
 ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
 network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps 
 back in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with 
 maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies 
 have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload 
 and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
 your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths 
 per band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) 
 between your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running 
 now in over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
 frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be 
 fully rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  
 Combined these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster 
 throughput and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out 
 worrying about user contention or the need to throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
 the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  
 Plans continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density 
 to the highest in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more 
 raw capacity and more towers to 

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Isn’t that interesting, dictation translated merger as burger.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
> 
> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
> does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
> that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature 
> in our building.
> 
> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
> buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
> Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
> happen, I hope it does not.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
 Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice. 
>  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 
>>> 256/quad download.  
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
>>> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per 
>>> band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between 
>>> your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in 
>>> over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
>>> frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully 
>>> rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined 
>>> these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput 
>>> and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying 
>>> about user contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
>>> the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans 
>>> continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the 
>>> highest in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw 
>>> capacity and more towers to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>>> 

Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.

VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature in 
our building.

I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
happen, I hope it does not.
 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
> well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think 
> that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do 
> stuff in the future
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
 know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s 
 from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
 handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad 
>> download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 
>> 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled 
>> out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
>> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest 
>> in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and 
>> more towers to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I think. 
It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They still have 
the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money than anybody 
to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing well. But they 
are still number three in the big race, and you would think that would impact 
of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
 aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
 Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really 
 need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds 
> of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 
> 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in 
> the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more 
> towers to carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

sorry. I did not see the date. That's what's called reading too fast.
Mary
At least I seeing you Jean is included in the list of cities.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, note the date on that article, it’s the day before iPhone release day.  
> They were legally bound not to mention the iPhone at the publishing of that 
> article.  The iPhone is in fact one of the up coming phones:).  If you look 
> at Apple’s spec sheet you can see that carrier aggregation, LTE advanced and 
> the other features are mentioned.  How about that Intel modem?  The qualcomm 
> also supports these features but the T-Mobile version definitely does.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy 
>> S7 and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the 
>> absence of the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if 
>> your iPhone 7 and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
>>> since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
>>> lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
>>> megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
>>> and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download. 
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
>>> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>>> to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very sharp 
people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO group, 
they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
 to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
 since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
 lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
 and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
 handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
 effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
 handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
 transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
 across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
 technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
 ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
 contention or the need to throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
 that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
 not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
 industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
 to carry your traffic.
 
 Read more here
 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Mary, note the date on that article, it’s the day before iPhone release day.  
They were legally bound not to mention the iPhone at the publishing of that 
article.  The iPhone is in fact one of the up coming phones:).  If you look at 
Apple’s spec sheet you can see that carrier aggregation, LTE advanced and the 
other features are mentioned.  How about that Intel modem?  The qualcomm also 
supports these features but the T-Mobile version definitely does.
 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy 
> S7 and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the absence 
> of the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if your iPhone 
> 7 and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>> to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
> at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
>>> since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
>>> lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
>>> megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
>>> and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download. 
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
>>> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>>> to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy S7 
and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the absence of 
the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if your iPhone 7 
and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
at Verizon just got smoked.:)


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>> to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my aggregation 
of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. Maybe that means 
even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need that wider coverage 
out here in the wild wild West.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
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