2010/1/19 Nathan Anderson
>
>
> I would agree be polite! Also don't dismiss the newer members
> (Not directed at you Jeremiah).
>
IMO the new members should have some common sense about what they write. It
is the tone that is the poison, not the point. First there was hell lot of
bad t
On Jan 19, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Hartti Suomela wrote:
> Additionally I do not buy the "wasting space" argument but that is very much
> personal opinion based on my preference of using laptop much more than my
> handheld device for reading these emails and I understand that long prefixes
> could cr
Mike, I think Edward is making a valid point. The archived email threads you
included in your response are more than 2 years old. You said yourself that
many new people are joining and have joined the mailing list recently
("tremendous influx of new users"). It is entirely possible that the general
On 01/19/2010 04:15 PM, Jeff Moe wrote:
Where are these discussions taking place?
Here.[1]
[1]
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023781.html
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I have been very concerned about a general tenor of this list. It
seems like some are suggesting that if you haven't been on the list
long enough, if you don't use the right email client, and several
other comments I've heard recently, then you aren't good enough to be
on this list. Instead, we
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I'm familiar with the new Fremantle widgets, but none (I believe) are
suitable for implementation of user entry history. The browser team probably
also thought this, since they developed a custom widget for exactly this
purpose.
Text entry on a mobile dev
2010/1/18 Kimmo Hämäläinen :
> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 12:10 +0100, Hamalainen Kimmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
> wrote:
>> If you want the switcher to ignore your application, please try using
>> _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_PAGER. See
>
> Sorry, I meant _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR...
>
If I understand correctly (cou
Hi,
2010/1/19 Jeff Moe :
> There was a problem with akamai. Apparently it was "flushed" and working now.
> See these logs and search for "Will take around 10 minutes for it to flush
> still." for some context:
> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-01-19.log.html
I'm still getting the sa
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 12:29:31 Niels Breet wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote:
> >> To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in
> >> fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the
> >> previous sdk repository.
> >
> > An
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 13:41:08 Andrea Grandi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was trying to do a simple "apt-get update" in my Scratchbox
> installation, since I had not done it after the release of PR 1.1, but
> I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/1757618
> It doesn't look like the same DNS problem
Edward,
Thanks for the apology. I was taken aback by your initial response and was
trying to figure out how best to respond. I did realize that my sarcasm might
have been missed.
I have been very concerned about a general tenor of this list. It seems
like some are suggesting that if y
Sorry Aldon, I must apologise. I was amazed at that response at first
but having read it back I noted the sarcasm.
Obviously a little too subtle for me in my sleep deprived state! Sorry
for the over reaction.
2010/1/19 Edward Johns :
> 2010/1/19 Aldon Hynes :
>> Good idea, let's try to restrict t
2010/1/19 Aldon Hynes :
> Good idea, let's try to restrict the development community to only people
> that have 'proper email clients'
>
>
Consider yourself restricted. I've been a member of several high
profile foss developer communities and this is the worse welcome I've
ever been given.
Hopef
...plus to people that answer below their quote, as I'm part of the
minority that starts reading an email at the top.
(But I know that Modest ignores this too currently.)
andre
Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 14:07 -0500 schrieb Aldon Hynes:
> Good idea, let's try to restrict the development commun
Edward Johns wrote:
> Hello,
> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
> with the name of the list.
I have a 17" LCD and st
Hi,
i released maep 1.3 today and according to all logs and
http://maemo.org/packages/view/maep/ it should have arrived in extras-devel by
now. Still my n900 doesn't see it
Why?
Till
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Good idea, let's try to restrict the development community to only people that
have 'proper email clients'
Get yourself proper email client which will sort your mail into folders. There
is X-BeenThere: maemo-developers@maemo.org in each email from this ML.
_
While some have raised the concern about how long a subject line different
email clients handle, I still think this is a good idea, although in
deference to those concerned about the messag line length, [md] works nicely
from my perspective. I like to do quick visual checkes of emails subjects
in
On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 17:45 + schrieb Edward Johns:
>
>> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
>> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
>> mails to this list (and the oth
On Jan 19, 2010, at 15:20, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> The user will be told why they can't update their little fart app.
We don't have fart apps in Maemo. You're thinking of the iPhone.
Jeremiah
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Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 17:45 + schrieb Edward Johns:
> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
> with the name of
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Edward Johns wrote:
> Hello,
> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
> with the na
Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 18:45:01 Edward Johns napisał(a):
> Hello,
> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
> with
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 16:02:47 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Hack, hack, hack... Then someone will write app which will require libosso
> from 51-1 and we will hack to make it possible for users with older
> firmware to install it etc etc etc?
>
> So far Maemo apps often behave like not being te
Hello,
I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
with the name of the list. This is a technique used on most other
lists I subscri
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 12:24 -0400 schrieb Anderson Lizardo:
>> [sorry if this is not the correct channel for such reports, but in
>> this case I obviously can't open a bug report
>
> (You can, it's just the bugmail which is not workin
>>
As maemo transitions to a much larger server farm, there have been hiccups.
The site has been slow, but has recently gotten significantly faster, in
certain parts. Tero is right though, you just haven't been here long enough
to have a reliable sample of uptime vs. downtime with regards to maemo.
Hi,
I was trying to do a simple "apt-get update" in my Scratchbox
installation, since I had not done it after the release of PR 1.1, but
I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/1757618
It doesn't look like the same DNS problem, because I'm not getting
errors with all repositories, but only with
Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 12:24 -0400 schrieb Anderson Lizardo:
> [sorry if this is not the correct channel for such reports, but in
> this case I obviously can't open a bug report
(You can, it's just the bugmail which is not working.)
> the error mentions bugzi...@maemo.org, but I don't know
[sorry if this is not the correct channel for such reports, but in
this case I obviously can't open a bug report; the error mentions
bugzi...@maemo.org, but I don't know if it is valid]
When I try to submit a new bug report, I get the following error
(after pressing the submit button):
###
Bugzil
Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 16:39:06 Graham Cobb napisał(a):
> On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote:
> > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like
> > sharing-dialog-dev
> If it is a new package we could experiment with putting a version in
> extras-de
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 08:43 -0300, Jeff Moe wrote:
>
> I don't have to be here for years to see how things are managed and
> where the problems are.
Things are clearly in progress. It's apparently a move in the right
direction, even if it's not everything you want. How about letting it
settle do
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote:
> And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like
> sharing-dialog-dev
Is this a new package in the latest SDK? Or a new version of an existing
package?
If it is a new package we could experiment with putting a version in
> On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in
>> fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the
>> previous sdk repository.
>
> And this breaks applications trying to use new package
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in
> fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the
> previous sdk repository.
And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like
sharin
El mar, 19-01-2010 a las 17:00 +0200, Ferenc Szekely escribió:
>
> > May I ask why these kind of changes are not notified in advance?
> >
> Because I forgot to request them.
What I'm asking is why we, the users of these services, are not notified
in advance of the downtime of services. I think t
Claudio Saavedra wrote:
> El mar, 19-01-2010 a las 16:55 +0200, Ferenc Szekely escribió:
>>> I wonder if the garage mailing lists are still offline due to the
>>> server migration? I remember reading that the maemo.org mailing
>> lists
>>> were migrated some time ago, but how about the garage ones?
El mar, 19-01-2010 a las 16:55 +0200, Ferenc Szekely escribió:
>
> > I wonder if the garage mailing lists are still offline due to the
> > server migration? I remember reading that the maemo.org mailing
> lists
> > were migrated some time ago, but how about the garage ones?
> >
> I made requests
Hello,
Anderson Lizardo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I sent an e-mail to a garage mailing (specifically the
> pymaemo-developers one) yesterday, and got the following today:
>
> Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
>
> pymaemo-develop...@garage.maemo.org
>
> Message will be retried fo
Hi,
> It is important to listen to newcomers. They can provide much needed
> reality checks and maybe keep you from staring at your own naval too
> much.
I'm another such newcomer. As Quim said, one weak point right now is
documentation (maybe more about finding what you need than about not hav
ext Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 15:37 +0200 schrieb Quim Gil:
>> I believe we have to solve other problems before this one e.g.
>> increasing the code contributions in the first place.
>
> With regard to attaching patches in Bugzilla, it's currently probably
> quite non-a
Graham Cobb on 01/19/2010 05:08 AM wrote:
We have to live with that and try to come up with a solution that is best for
the users. In my view, that means having as many apps as possible available
to people who are still running the initial release.
This should be noted as a failure of Nokia to
Hi,
I sent an e-mail to a garage mailing (specifically the
pymaemo-developers one) yesterday, and got the following today:
Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
pymaemo-develop...@garage.maemo.org
Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)
Technical details of temporary fail
ext Dave Neary writes:
> You could accomplish a lot more by rattling fewer cages. You've known
> this community for 50 days.
It is important to listen to newcomers. They can provide much needed
reality checks and maybe keep you from staring at your own naval too
much.
While it is certainly nic
Hi,
ext Cornelius Hald wrote:
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:31 +0100, Piñeiro wrote:
From: Cornelius Hald
the main window of my app supports portrait mode. Now I have a settings
dialog which does not support portrait mode but it inherits those flags
from the main window.
So you'll have the main
Am Dienstag, den 19.01.2010, 15:37 +0200 schrieb Quim Gil:
> I believe we have to solve other problems before this one e.g.
> increasing the code contributions in the first place.
With regard to attaching patches in Bugzilla, it's currently probably
quite non-attractive because:
* It's not c
Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 11:13:30 Jeremiah Foster napisał(a):
> >> 8) "Screw around with licensing. Community members tend to care a lot
> >> about licenses, so changing the licensing can be a good way to make
> >> them go elsewhere. Even better is to talk a lot about license changes
> >> wi
ext Jeff Moe wrote:
> Haha! And he even occassionally responds to comments there too! (More
> than Maemo's leader.) Like I said, *ideal*
Linus Torvalds is chief architect and coordinator of a free software
project, hired by a non-profit foundation.
Ari Jaaksi is vice-president of a corporat
I think you see maemo.org as being integral part of the Nokia set of websites.
It is actually not.
maemo.org is, , gifted by Nokia to the community around Maemo.
We control it and they are kind enough to pay for everything, but just
don't expect it to be nokia.com...
In fact there is maemo.nok
> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/370157/2a06baf10df8e58a/
Interesting! My personal take:
1 is to make the project depend as much as possible on difficult tools
Improving
2: Encourage the presence of poisonous people and maximize the damage
that they can create.
Now this makes me wonder whether I
Hi,
To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in
fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the
previous sdk repository.
This will give us some time to come up with a better solution for PR1.2 and
will not create a lot of issues in the meanwhile.
All a
2010/1/19 Marcin Juszkiewicz :
> Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 12:57:32 Jeff Moe napisał(a):
>> For instance, take an ideal project leader like Linus. If he had a blog
>
> Linus Torvalds has a blog and posts there.
>
> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/
>
>
HA! I was faster! Check few messages
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 10:00:51 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 12:57:32 Jeff Moe napisał(a):
> > For instance, take an ideal project leader like Linus. If he had a blog
>
> Linus Torvalds has a blog and posts there.
>
> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/
Haha!
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 05:35:54 Marius Vollmer wrote:
> ext Jeff Moe writes:
>
> > Here is a good article in LWN about a presentation by Josh Berkus. How
> > many of these points apply to Nokia? I'm afraid way too many.
>
> Maybe, but I find it also interesting how many points do _not_ apply
Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 12:57:32 Jeff Moe napisał(a):
> For instance, take an ideal project leader like Linus. If he had a blog
Linus Torvalds has a blog and posts there.
http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/
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Hi Jeff,
Jeff Moe wrote:
> I've had my device for 1200 hours so far (50 days). For how many of
> those hours have the various services been down? I'm not sure
> everything has ever been working for a full complete day. "Break in
> the corners"? That's quite a gloss.
You could accomplish a lot mor
2010/1/19 Jeff Moe :
> I wouldn't say I'm surprised. I can't find anywhere in the *.maemo.org space
> where he is interacting with folks. For instance, take an *ideal* project
> leader like Linus. If he had a blog...
He has: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/
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Thomas Tanner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> who is responsible for processing the requests for an invitation for
> upload rights for Extras?
> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
>
> I've tried it a couple of times over past few weeks but I did not get
> any response so far.. :(
>
No,
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 08:20:42 David Weinehall wrote:
> On tis, 2010-01-19 at 12:10 +0100, ext Jeff Moe wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 07:13:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> > > >> 10) "Silence. Don't answer queries, don't say anything. A company which
> > > >> masters this technique may not
2010/1/19 Jeff Moe
>
> I don't have to be here for years to see how things are managed and where
> the problems are.
>
> -Jeff Moe
> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba
>
>
Nope, but it would be good for you so that you can see the bigger picture.
This was second time to me when repos didn't work i
Hi,
who is responsible for processing the requests for an invitation for
upload rights for Extras?
https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
I've tried it a couple of times over past few weeks but I did not get
any response so far.. :(
Thanks
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On Tuesday 19 January 2010 06:13:00 tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
> > Some gems:
> > 1) "It's also important to set up an official web site which is down as
> > often as it's up. It's not enough to have no web site at all; in such
> > situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites
On tis, 2010-01-19 at 12:10 +0100, ext Jeff Moe wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 January 2010 07:13:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> > >> 10) "Silence. Don't answer queries, don't say anything. A company which
> > >> masters this technique may not need any of the others; it is the most
> > >> effective community
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 07:13:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> >> 10) "Silence. Don't answer queries, don't say anything. A company which
> >> masters this technique may not need any of the others; it is the most
> >> effective community destroyer of them all. "
>
> Ooops! No silence here! I guess t
On Monday 18 January 2010 22:50:51 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Graham Cobb on 01/18/2010 04:42 PM wrote:
> > I do think there may be an option 1.5:
>
> Turning Linux into Windows shouldn't be a project goal of Maemo.
I don't understand your comment, Michael, but note that the reason we have a
pr
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 08:17:25 David Greaves wrote:
> Graham Cobb wrote:
> > I do think there may be an option 1.5: create multiple autobuilder queues
> > which feed the same repository but build against different SDK releases.
...
>
> I like - but as someone mentioned to me in a similar situ
Thomas Tanner writes:
> just replace all repository.maemo.org with stage.maemo.org
> in .maemo-sdk/index.toolchains
Now seems to work with repository.maemo.org in index file.
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ext Jeremiah Foster wrote:
4) "Project decisions should be made in closed-door meetings."
5) "Employ large amounts of legalese."
7) "Keep the decision-making powers unclear"
Unfortunately a bit of this is true. But this is part of maemo's dual nature,
the half-closed, half-open bea
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Edward Page wrote:
>> Is anyone collecting these "How do I..." questions and putting them on the
>> wiki?
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Tutorials
> http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ
>
> Psst... don't tell
On Jan 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Some gems:
>> 1) "It's also important to set up an official web site which is down as
>> often as it's up. It's not enough to have no web site at all; in such
>> situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites of
>> its own. But a fl
Hi,
Edward Page wrote:
> Is anyone collecting these "How do I..." questions and putting them on the
> wiki?
http://wiki.maemo.org/Tutorials
http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ
http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ
Psst... don't tell anyone, but it's a wiki.
Cheers,
Dave.
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El lun, 18-01-2010 a las 20:30 -0500, Brent Chiodo escribió:
>
> I have to give a bump to this. Does anyone know the secret behind the
> browser URL bar? Is the code even posted somewhere (Not sure, is that
> part of the browser open source?).
There is no such combobox/comboboxentry in the toolki
> -Original Message-
> From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-
> boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Jeff Moe
> Sent: 19 January, 2010 01:41
> To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: LCA: How to destroy your community
>
> Here is a good article in LWN about a p
ext Jeff Moe writes:
> Here is a good article in LWN about a presentation by Josh Berkus. How
> many of these points apply to Nokia? I'm afraid way too many.
Maybe, but I find it also interesting how many points do _not_ apply.
"Maemo - it could be so much worse"
:-)
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Graham Cobb wrote:
> I do think there may be an option 1.5: create multiple autobuilder queues
> which feed the same repository but build against different SDK releases. For
> example, a "fremantle" queue which builds against the base release (for
> ever), and a "fremantle-pr1.1" queue which bu
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