ext koos vriezen wrote:
2006/10/21, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
ext Murray Cumming wrote:
> I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
> Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time
chasing
> incredibly minor patches.
>
> I still think a dedi
2006/10/21, Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
ext Murray Cumming wrote:
> I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
> Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time chasing
> incredibly minor patches.
>
> I still think a dedicated empowered community l
ext Koen Kooi wrote:
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I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time chasing
incredibly minor patches.
I still think a dedicated empowered
ext Murray Cumming wrote:
I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time chasing
incredibly minor patches.
I still think a dedicated empowered community liason would fix this.
Murray, you have suggested this be
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Murray Cumming schreef:
> I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
> Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time chasing
> incredibly minor patches.
>
> I still think a dedicated empowered community liason
I'm not seeing any significant improvement to this situation, and
Nokia's developers seem no less busy. So I'm still wasting time chasing
incredibly minor patches.
I still think a dedicated empowered community liason would fix this.
As ever, I'm not complaining so much as trying to suggest how to
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer
> Sent: 12 May, 2006 00:02
> To: Kothari Devesh (Nokia-M/Tampere)
> Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help?
On 5/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > can you be more specific ???
>
> I can remove all software for which I cannot access and re-publish the
> source code and all of the hardware capabilities (power management,
> DSP and whatever other little doodads Nokia packed in there)
> > > Sent: 04 May, 2006 23:39
> > > To: Kothari Devesh (Nokia-M/Tampere)
> > > Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not
> > > complaining
> > > I can remove all software for which
rg
> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not
> complaining
> I can remove all software for which I cannot access and re-publish the
> source code and all of the hardware capabilities (power management,
> DSP and whatever other little doodads Nokia packed in th
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer
> Sent: 04 May, 2006 23:39
> To: Kothari Devesh (Nokia-M/Tampere)
> Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help?
On 5/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, since you brought up "truely open product" and "expectation
> management," what are Nokia's expectations about when the 770 will be
> a truely open product (i.e., I can run all free software on the device
>
Maemo 2.0 would take it
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer
> Sent: 02 May, 2006 21:07
> To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not
> complaining
>
>
> On
On 4/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
no offense, it always look simpler from the other side. Developing and
bringing a product to market (in all my experience) is no simple task
combine that with new challenges working with open source, and OS communities,
new processes and a
--- Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is also the problem of free software that is
> > GPL-incompatible (MAME etc). They can't link
> against
> > GPL libraries, nor will anyone buy a commercial
> > license for them. Which means you are pretty much
> screwed.
>
> No, this just means
On 4/20/06, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> >> The only "legal" difference of GPL and LGPL is
> >> that GPL insures derived sources remain open.
> >
> > No. Sources will always remain open with LGPL too. It's the combining
> > and linking with non-free (in fact, any)
Lorn Potter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> >>The only "legal" difference of GPL and LGPL is
> >>that GPL insures derived sources remain open.
> >
> >No. Sources will always remain open with LGPL too. It's the combining
> >and linking with non-free (in fact, any) licensed work t
Jussi Pakkanen wrote:
--- Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Correction. Qtopia is dual licensed, commercial and
GPL. GPL of course
has no licensing cost. The only "legal" difference
of GPL and LGPL is
that GPL insures derived sources remain open.
There is also the problem of free softw
Kalle Vahlman wrote:
The only "legal" difference of GPL and LGPL is
that GPL insures derived sources remain open.
No. Sources will always remain open with LGPL too. It's the combining
and linking with non-free (in fact, any) licensed work that LGPL
allows (and GPL doesn't).
Which means source
Kalle Vahlman wrote:
On 4/20/06, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote:
[snip]
Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using
plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that
looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier pr
--- Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Correction. Qtopia is dual licensed, commercial and
> GPL. GPL of course
> has no licensing cost. The only "legal" difference
> of GPL and LGPL is
> that GPL insures derived sources remain open.
There is also the problem of free software that is
GPL
"ext [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And as i see right now, I am ready to take small baby steps [...]
First baby-step for you, Devesh: use a real mail program and not one
that corrupts your From: header... :-)
(From what I have heard, these annoying [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses
On 4/20/06, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using
> > plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that
> > looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier products,
On tor, 2006-04-20 at 18:05 +1000, ext Lorn Potter wrote:
> Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using
> > plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that
> > looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier pr
Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote:
[snip]
Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using
plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that
looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier products, without forking too
wildly. So the work effort would've been the
>
>
> Original Message
> Subject: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help?
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:14:13 +0200
> From: ext Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
>
> The Maemo community is alive, but not thriving as much as it
> could. Thi
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext
> Shawn Gordon
> Sent: 19 April, 2006 23:06
> To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not
> complaining
>
>
On ons, 2006-04-19 at 13:06 -0700, ext Shawn Gordon wrote:
[snip]
> faster because it is done, has been used, refined, debugged and
> developed for for years, so other than device drivers in the kernel
> it wouldn't have taken hardly any time at all to get it up and running.
>
> cheaper - I'm
Am Mittwoch, den 19.04.2006, 13:06 -0700 schrieb Shawn Gordon:
> Keep in mind that Opie is simply a fork of the GPL version of Qtopia,
Hmm... "simply a fork"? That does it no justice... :/
If it wasn't for C, I think there would be some more people that you
could've dragged from the Qtopia/Opie
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 13:06 -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote:
[snip]
> cheaper - I'm assuming cheaper based on what I know of the licensing
> costs and the costs to hire a bunch of developers for years to
> develop and support the software.
Possibly Nokia are thinking longer term. After all, they are t
At 12:23 PM 4/19/2006, Philippe De Swert wrote:
Hello Shawn,
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 11:59 -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote:
> I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to
> mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who
> was very successful with Qtopia and the Sh
Hello Shawn,
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 11:59 -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote:
> I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to
> mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who
> was very successful with Qtopia and the Sharp Zaurus and what Sharp
> and Trolltech did b
I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to
mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who
was very successful with Qtopia and the Sharp Zaurus and what Sharp
and Trolltech did both right and wrong that Nokia could learn from (I
don't care if they use Qt
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 20:42 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
> However, as Tommi pointed out, an equality important factor here is that
> our product development processes and infrastructure are not yet fully
> adapted to open platform development.
That would be necessary to have the most id
The product is on the market for less than half a year. There are
already tens of usable free software applications ported or created.
That's pretty impressive for the first 'open product' of such a big
company. I'm not complaining. I'm a pretty satisfied customer _and_
developer myself.
Just a li
Hi Murray,
> The Maemo community is alive, but not thriving as much as it
> could. This
> is because the Nokia developers are so busy and are often unable to
> respond to the simplest of requests for changes or information, and
> often unable to even acknowledge that contributions have been
> ac
I don't want to flame it at all, but try reading this article to get
them better ... ;)
http://software.itmanagersjournal.com/article.pl?sid=06/02/02/2129251&from=rss
On 4/19/06, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 15:14 +0300, Jussi Kukkonen wrote:
> [snip]
> > Stil
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 14:25 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 15:14 +0300, Jussi Kukkonen wrote:
> [snip]
> > Still, doing things in private is going to keep everyone else in the
> > dark, and hinder community involvement... I fear one liaison won't help
> > that.
>
> I don'
disse --> Murray Cumming
originais -> The Maemo community is alive, but not thriving as much as it could.
Perhaps there is some learning curve involved here. This has much to do with
both language and
cultural differences I think. A lot of 770 work is done at INdT in Manaus and
while this is
o
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 15:14 +0300, Jussi Kukkonen wrote:
[snip]
> Still, doing things in private is going to keep everyone else in the
> dark, and hinder community involvement... I fear one liaison won't help
> that.
I don't think it's done intentionally. I think they just don't have time
for it.
Murray Cumming wrote:
> The Maemo community is alive, but not thriving as much as it could. This
> is because the Nokia developers are so busy and are often unable to
> respond to the simplest of requests for changes or information, and
> often unable to even acknowledge that contributions have bee
"ext Murray Cumming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The Maemo community is alive, but not thriving as much as it could. This
> is because the Nokia developers are so busy and are often unable to
> respond to the simplest of requests for changes or information, and
> often unable to even acknowledge
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