RE: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-12 Thread Devesh.Kothari
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer Sent: 12 May, 2006 00:02 To: Kothari Devesh (Nokia-M/Tampere) Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining On 5/10/06

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-11 Thread Igor Stoppa
) Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining I can remove all software for which I cannot access and re-publish the source code and all of the hardware capabilities (power management, DSP and whatever other little

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-11 Thread Dave Neuer
On 5/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you be more specific ??? I can remove all software for which I cannot access and re-publish the source code and all of the hardware capabilities (power management, DSP and whatever other little doodads Nokia packed in there) are

RE: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-10 Thread Devesh.Kothari
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer Sent: 04 May, 2006 23:39 To: Kothari Devesh (Nokia-M/Tampere) Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining On 5/3/06

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-10 Thread Larry Battraw
busy to accept help? I'm not complaining I can remove all software for which I cannot access and re-publish the source code and all of the hardware capabilities (power management, DSP and whatever other little doodads Nokia packed in there) are still accessible; I can compile a kernel

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-04 Thread Dave Neuer
On 5/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, since you brought up truely open product and expectation management, what are Nokia's expectations about when the 770 will be a truely open product (i.e., I can run all free software on the device Maemo 2.0 would take it closer,

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Neuer
On 4/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense, it always look simpler from the other side. Developing and bringing a product to market (in all my experience) is no simple task combine that with new challenges working with open source, and OS communities, new processes and at

RE: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-02 Thread Devesh.Kothari
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer Sent: 02 May, 2006 21:07 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining On 4/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere)
On ons, 2006-04-19 at 13:06 -0700, ext Shawn Gordon wrote: [snip] faster because it is done, has been used, refined, debugged and developed for for years, so other than device drivers in the kernel it wouldn't have taken hardly any time at all to get it up and running. cheaper - I'm

RE: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Devesh.Kothari
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Shawn Gordon Sent: 19 April, 2006 23:06 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining At 12:23 PM 4/19/2006, Philippe De Swert

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Lorn Potter
Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote: [snip] Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier products, without forking too wildly. So the work effort would've been the

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Kalle Vahlman
On 4/20/06, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote: [snip] Just using plain Qtopia wouldn't have been an option, just as using plain GTK+ without Hildon wasn't an option; we had to use a UI that looks somewhat like Nokia's earlier products, without

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And as i see right now, I am ready to take small baby steps [...] First baby-step for you, Devesh: use a real mail program and not one that corrupts your From: header... :-) (From what I have heard, these annoying [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses are

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Lorn Potter
Jussi Pakkanen wrote: --- Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction. Qtopia is dual licensed, commercial and GPL. GPL of course has no licensing cost. The only legal difference of GPL and LGPL is that GPL insures derived sources remain open. There is also the problem of free software

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-20 Thread Kalle Vahlman
On 4/20/06, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalle Vahlman wrote: The only legal difference of GPL and LGPL is that GPL insures derived sources remain open. No. Sources will always remain open with LGPL too. It's the combining and linking with non-free (in fact, any) licensed work

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-19 Thread Kasper Souren
The product is on the market for less than half a year. There are already tens of usable free software applications ported or created. That's pretty impressive for the first 'open product' of such a big company. I'm not complaining. I'm a pretty satisfied customer _and_ developer myself. Just a

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-19 Thread Shawn Gordon
I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who was very successful with Qtopia and the Sharp Zaurus and what Sharp and Trolltech did both right and wrong that Nokia could learn from (I don't care if they use

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-19 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hello Shawn, On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 11:59 -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote: I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who was very successful with Qtopia and the Sharp Zaurus and what Sharp and Trolltech did both

Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-04-19 Thread Shawn Gordon
At 12:23 PM 4/19/2006, Philippe De Swert wrote: Hello Shawn, On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 11:59 -0700, Shawn Gordon wrote: I've already got Nils slamming me privately because I dared to mention Qtopia, but let me provide some perspective as a company who was very successful with Qtopia and the