ext Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Semi-related: how about an Upgrade All button on the Check for
Updates page?
In red-pill mode, you get to see the magic:sys package. Updating it
does some kind of Update All.
Not exactly: we do not only want to control which individual packages
you
Hi,
we are planning to put some features into the Application Manager that
will make it more restrictive when handling the packages that make up
the operating system itself (as opposed to third party applications).
We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the
end-user point
As a user, I like how this sounds. I hope it also means that the
Application Manager and user experience will be largely free of having
to add repositories. This could make finding new applications easier
and more complete than the current process which still requires some
desire to explore and
ext Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As a user, I like how this sounds. I hope it also means that the
Application Manager and user experience will be largely free of
having to add repositories.
That is a separate thing, but yes, locking down system package
upgrades might make it
Marius Vollmer wrote:
We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the
end-user point of view and from the point of view of package
developers.
Thank you for asking. That attitude is one of the reasons I like this
platform.
There is going to be a 'meta' package that
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 01:09PM, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Marius Vollmer wrote:
We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the
end-user point of view and from the point of view of package
developers.
Thank you for asking. That attitude is one of
As for the concrete plan:
There is going to be a 'meta' package that represents the whole
operating system. Updates to the OS are done by updating this meta
package in the Application Manager. The meta package will have
dependencies on all packages with their exact versions that make up
All,
there is a company, rpath, that is providing some if not all of what is
needed for management of the OS codebase. Here is the url to a press
release for their product:
http://www.rpath.com/corp/news-and-events/rpath-continues-momentum-with-addition-of-9.1m-in-fu-5.html
Maybe Nokia
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The set of trusted sources will be under control of a power-user: you
can just add some GPG keys to the right place, but there is no UI to
do it. You can also switch the whole lock-down machinery off by going
to red-pill mode.
So whaddaya
ext David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Might I suggest two meta packages - one locked down to This version
only and one specifying this version or later.
As Paul says, I think we can leave this second meta package out of the
official releases.
ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash
device model? If so, then GOOD!
To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view
that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working
again.
I
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 04:12PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash
device model? If so, then GOOD!
To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point
Hi,
ext Andy Mulhearn wrote:
So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash
device model? If so, then GOOD!
To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view
that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working
again.
I am not sure if there
ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash
process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you
suggest.
That's one thing that we have to figure out.
My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like
ext Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ext Andy Mulhearn wrote:
But if you can just apply a major firmware upgrade by accepting it
in application manager and you don't think to backup first, what
happens it goes wrong leaving you with an unworkable system?
Good point, I think the
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation
where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your
system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to get back to
where you were.
I have zero
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I grant you a brief peek into our internal software
requirements... :-)
22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken
before a system update is installed.
Rebooting and checking for enough free flash will
ext Paul Klapperich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken
before a system update is installed.
Would this just be for major updates--perhaps those than cause a
change in the firmware revision number--or would this be
I grant you a brief peek into our internal software
requirements... :-)
22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken
before a system update is installed.
Rebooting and checking for enough free flash will also be taken care
of.
Yeah, we should be doing this
Carlos Guerreiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I grant you a brief peek into our internal software
requirements... :-)
22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken
before a system update is installed.
Rebooting and checking for enough free flash will also be
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:47, Paul Klapperich wrote:
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation
where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your
system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:39, Marius Vollmer wrote:
ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash
process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you
suggest.
That's one thing that we have to figure out.
In the future, we hope to be able to provide official updates to the
operating system itself via packages, and we need to give the
end-users the confidence that when they intend to install a Nokia
provided operating system update, they actually get what they think
they are getting.
Great!
My thought is that it might be worthwhile to have a constant warning written
at the bottom of the Check for Updates dialog in the Application manager.
A user should really backup before any update, but prompting with a dialog
that frequently will only encourage users to ignore it. Major updates
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 08:25:41AM -0800, Andy Mulhearn wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 04:12PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure if there will always be flash image for each version of
the meta package, but there will always be reasonably recent flash
ext Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Say you've just released an OS metapackage, maemo 3.1 sturgeon, and
then one the guys working on cairo makes a huge breakthrough in
speed and stability. You want users to be able to upgrade, but now
you have to release a new OS metapackage to do so,
Yes, and I actually see this as a feature, since there is no apt-get
upgrade functionality in the Application Manager. Users would get
the newer vesion of cairo by accident, when they install or upgrade a
non-hidden package that depends on cairo.
Semi-related: how about an Upgrade All button
On Thursday 15 February 2007 08:10:07 Marius Vollmer wrote:
ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash
device model? If so, then GOOD!
To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view
that if I bork
On Thursday 15 February 2007 11:38:29 Marius Vollmer wrote:
ext Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Say you've just released an OS metapackage, maemo 3.1 sturgeon, and
then one the guys working on cairo makes a huge breakthrough in
speed and stability. You want users to be able to upgrade,
On 2/15/07, James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 15 February 2007 11:38:29 Marius Vollmer wrote:
With a version locked meta package, we can make sure that the user
gets the right combinations of packages.
umm Maybe I'm missing something but since this is debian based .deb's
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