Re: Nokia device usage

John Holmblad a écrit : > Jean-Christian, > > interesting. And from the diagram I see your point. > > Of course the N95 is a full function mobile phone and based on that N95 > diagram I would expect that the heavy lifting of the 3G voice and HSPA > protocols for voice and non-voice (packet) dat

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

Mark wrote: From: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars "Games are not our priority" I guess they're not into "Cops and Robbers". ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org __

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM, George Farris wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote: >> James Knott wrote: >> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for >> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in >> size >

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Henrik Madsen wrote: > ThinLinc from www.cendio.com is a perfect > alternative to Citrix which also works perfectly > on *nix software. It is built on open source product > and offers a very cheap and more reliable solution > compared to Citrix. > > I'm not familiar with that, but it's still an

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kenneth marken wrote: > > hell, the story goes that microsoft killed of smart displays as it > would be a cheap way to do multi-user on xp home. something that would > undermine their more expensive multi-user licenses on win2k3 (where, > iirc, you pay ones for the os, and ones for the number of us

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

James Knott wrote: > George Farris wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote: >> >>> James Knott wrote: >>> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for >>> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in >>> size >>

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

ThinLinc from www.cendio.com is a perfect alternative to Citrix which also works perfectly on *nix software. It is built on open source product and offers a very cheap and more reliable solution compared to Citrix. BR Henrik On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:22:26AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > George

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

George Farris wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote: > >> James Knott wrote: >> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for >> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in >> size >> as they increase in power,

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote: > James Knott wrote: > Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for > simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in > size > as they increase in power, it makes a lot more sense for ev

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

James Knott wrote: > Ummm... Given that "DOS" didn't appear until 1981, there's no way > Windows could have been around 30+ years ago. That would have been the > days of CP/M and Apple II. Sorry, that should have been 20+... 24 to be more precise. Momentary lapse in brain function. > Back in t

Re: Nokia device usage

Jean-Christian, interesting. And from the diagram I see your point. Of course the N95 is a full function mobile phone and based on that N95 diagram I would expect that the heavy lifting of the 3G voice and HSPA protocols for voice and non-voice (packet) data above the physical layer would be i

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

Mark wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Farrell J. McGovern > wrote: > >> ScottW wrote: >> >>> The Mac and *nix world needs to stop gloating about their clean record so >>> far and keep an eye out for what is to come. Dues to the learning curve of >>> the OS, the users were more

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

Scott wrote: > On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:24 AM, Farrell J. McGovern wrote: > > >> ScottW wrote: >> >>> The Mac and *nix world needs to stop gloating about their clean >>> record so far and keep an eye out for what is to come. Dues to the >>> learning curve of the OS, the users were more "

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

Hello root user is not the absolute power any more, please dont forget SELINUX and the MLS "Multi Level Seurity" you can read more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Mark wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Farrell J. McGovern > wrote: > > ScottW

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Farrell J. McGovern wrote: > ScottW wrote: >> The Mac and *nix world needs to stop gloating about their clean record so >> far and keep an eye out for what is to come.  Dues to the learning curve of >> the OS, the users were more "enlightened" than the common co

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

While I hate OS wars; it's like taking to your cat. This was a well thought out response and worth reading. Thanks, Denis -- sik vis paw kem, para bellum -- oderint dum metuant -- "Our Coun

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

Greetings All, Please take this thread to a more appropriate list, it has very little to do with tablet usage at this point. It might be better suited to the SecurityFocus Security Basics list, for example. Subscription info below: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/105/description#0.3.1 T

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:24 AM, Farrell J. McGovern wrote: > ScottW wrote: >> The Mac and *nix world needs to stop gloating about their clean >> record so far and keep an eye out for what is to come. Dues to the >> learning curve of the OS, the users were more "enlightened" than >> the common

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

That is completely correct, there are major difference between *nix operating system and Windows. not even on the technical leve but on the quality of deisgn and approach Regards Samer Azmy On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Farrell J. McGovern < farrell.mcgov...@gmail.com> wrote: > ScottW wrote:

Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

ScottW wrote: > The Mac and *nix world needs to stop gloating about their clean record so far > and keep an eye out for what is to come. Dues to the learning curve of the > OS, the users were more "enlightened" than the common computer user, but now > these are more wide spread and the common

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The biggest fault in any computer to make a virus successful is the part between the keyboard and chair. I am quite sure that no one reading this email falls for that pop up window from Anti-Virus2009 that says your computer is infected and click here to run a virus scanner (but you probably kn

Re: Nokia device usage

Jean-Christian de Rivaz a écrit : > Nokia will more likely use this kind of integration: > > http://www.phonewreck.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nokia_N95#Block_Diagram > > The Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE + Dual-band UMTS/HSPDA chain use 1 chip for > the baseband, 1 chip for the transceiver and 1 chip fo

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John Holmblad a écrit : > http://www.smta.org/files/CTEA_High_Density_Pkg_Trends-Carey-Portelligent.pdf > > You can see, from viewing the iphone PCB discussed on pp 13-17 of that > presentation. that, in addition to having separate power amps for each > of 3 frequency band groupings (it is a q

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John Holmblad wrote: > James, > > as you are well aware, a user of a Microsoft Desktop or Server OS is not > required to use Outlook for email. Mozilla Thunderbird works quite well > on Microsoft OS's and of course there is Evolution. > > I am well aware that you can use other mail applicati

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Mark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Mark wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, James Knott wrote: >>> >>> Bottom line, there are a lot of technical and usage reasons that make it much harder for malware to attack Linux/Unix.

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Mark wrote: > You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that. I said that they > were either Linux or Mac fanboys OR were simply targeting the most > common OS. > I don't personally disagree with Mark's statement, except for the wording. I would have put it as: > But NOT impossible, and t

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, James Knott wrote: > Mark wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, James Knott wrote: >> >>> Bottom line, there are a lot of technical and usage reasons that make it >>> much harder for malware to attack Linux/Unix. >>> >>> >> But NOT impossible, and the fact rem

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James, as you are well aware, a user of a Microsoft Desktop or Server OS is not required to use Outlook for email. Mozilla Thunderbird works quite well on Microsoft OS's and of course there is Evolution. I should add that, just as Microsoft has mitigated/eliminated well known vulnerabilities

Re: Nokia device usage

Mark wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Bottom line, there are a lot of technical and usage reasons that make it >> much harder for malware to attack Linux/Unix. >> >> > But NOT impossible, and the fact remains that the overwhelming > majority of malware write

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kenneth marken wrote: >> >> Bottom line, there are a lot of technical and usage reasons that make it >> much harder for malware to attack Linux/Unix. >> >> > the "big" problem here is that the target for said malware have > changed... > > its no longer about bringing down whole systems. these days

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Jean. Christian, yes I do while at the same time realizing that I could be wrong on this. Depending upon how Nokia product management intends to position the G4 IT product (eg is it going to be a direct substitute for the iphone with additional superior features like tethering support and high

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM, kenneth marken wrote: > > basically, the only really safe option is to yank that plug, and use > only home-coded apps... Provided you *never* make any mistakes or overlook any bugs... ;-) Mark ___ maemo-users mailing li

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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, James Knott wrote: > Bottom line, there are a lot of technical and usage reasons that make it > much harder for malware to attack Linux/Unix. > But NOT impossible, and the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of malware writers are either Mac or Linux fanboys

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James Knott wrote: > Mark wrote: >> And the only reason that Linux and Macs are so relatively safe from >> viruses and worms is because they aren't targeted, not because they >> are fundamentally more secure. >> >> > Well, considering that most web sites run Apache on Linux or Unix, I'm > not so

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On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 03:56:48PM -0600, Mark wrote: > And the only reason that Linux and Macs are so relatively safe from > viruses and worms is because they aren't targeted, not because they > are fundamentally more secure. This would make sense if creating a virus required a significant effor

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John Holmblad a écrit : > Jean-Christian, > > the term "3g radio" is a fairly broad term. The key is what software is > going to be in the new G4 IT above the radio/physical layer. It would > make sense, especially if Nokia decides that the G4 IT is going to go > after the market served by the

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Jean-Christian, the term "3g radio" is a fairly broad term. The key is what software is going to be in the new G4 IT above the radio/physical layer. It would make sense, especially if Nokia decides that the G4 IT is going to go after the market served by the iphone, to give the G4 IT, full 2G

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Mark wrote: > And the only reason that Linux and Macs are so relatively safe from > viruses and worms is because they aren't targeted, not because they > are fundamentally more secure. > > Well, considering that most web sites run Apache on Linux or Unix, I'm not so sure about that. And if you

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Mark, re your comment > Managing repositories is far beyond the > understanding of the average consumer. Installing apps from source > code is even less user-friendly. Far too many important apps must be > installed with apt-get from the command line and don't show up at all >

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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: > Mark wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM, lakestevensdental >> wrote: >> \> Good luck carrying that non-Apple albatross around your neck...  It's >> >>> not like there's nothing to learn from the successful. >>> >>> Always, Fred C >

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Mark wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM, lakestevensdental > wrote: > \> Good luck carrying that non-Apple albatross around your neck... It's > >> not like there's nothing to learn from the successful. >> >> Always, Fred C >> > > ...or non-Micro$oft, or non-Linux, or... it all depe

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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: \> Good luck carrying that non-Apple albatross around your neck...  It's > not like there's nothing to learn from the successful. > > Always, Fred C ...or non-Micro$oft, or non-Linux, or... it all depends on whose fan-boy you're talking t

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lakestevensdental wrote: > Fernando Cassia wrote: >> A couple points: >> >> 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer >> Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple >> lawyers coming to get you. >> > They've found there's a broad end-user market fo

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Fernando Cassia wrote: > A couple points: > > 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer > Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple > lawyers coming to get you. > They've found there's a broad end-user market for stuff that meets a certain ease

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kenneth marken wrote: > Alejandro López wrote: >> >> Eero Tamminen wrote: >>> As this thread is "Nokia device usage", what you would use >>> the Skype video for? :-) >> >> Mainly to communicate with my family when on business travel, but

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Alejandro López wrote: > > Eero Tamminen wrote: >> As this thread is "Nokia device usage", what you would use >> the Skype video for? :-) > > Mainly to communicate with my family when on business travel, but also to put > in touch my kids (2 and 4 year old)

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Eero Tamminen wrote: > As this thread is "Nokia device usage", what you would use > the Skype video for? :-) Mainly to communicate with my family when on business travel, but also to put in touch my kids (2 and 4 year old) and their grand mother (11000 km away) without requir

Re: Nokia device usage

the beginning the video call was a nice novelty, but nowadays we enable it only sometimes when discussing with our young nieces, for 99%[1] of the calls voice is enough. As this thread is "Nokia device usage", what you would use the Skype video for? :-) - Eero [1] of

Re: Nokia device usage

John Holmblad a écrit : [...] > On the other hand mobile service providers who are evolving from GSM to > 3G/UMTS can, if they so choose, start to move their voice traffic over > to their UMTS infrastructure (equipment and RF) and do so gradually by > providing their customers with dual mode 2g/

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kenneth, I have not read the HSDPA spec myself but my assumption is that it is "all packet, all the time" As the "P" implies in "HSDPA" UMTS, as a superset of HSDPA incorporates various QOS and other features (roaming, voice connection awareness, etc) that are needed in order to properly

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John Holmblad wrote: > Andrew, > > yes, I am being overly presumptuous as to what kind of radio technology > will and will not be in the next turn of the IT hardware. I must have > read it somewhere that it was going to be HSDPA only. > HSDPA do not result in data only, as HSDPA only builds on

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Andrew Flegg wrote: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: >> I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular >> phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. > > You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to >

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On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: > > From what I can find on the net, HSPA seem to be an extend of the 3G. So it > seem logical to me that the next tablet will have 3G radio. Yup, that's practically assured. However, you were also talking about how it definitely won'

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Andrew Flegg a écrit : > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: >> I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular >> phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. > > You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to

Re: Nokia device usage

On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 02:41:04PM -0700, Mark wrote: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Holmblad > wrote: > > Jean-Christian, > > > > you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success > > with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. > > > > Nokia m

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Andrew, yes, I am being overly presumptuous as to what kind of radio technology will and will not be in the next turn of the IT hardware. I must have read it somewhere that it was going to be HSDPA only. . Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Andrew Flegg wrote:

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: > > I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular > phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to be announced, let alone rele

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Holmblad wrote: > Jean-Christian, > > you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success > with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. > > Nokia might do well run the following experiment (in situ if you will) > to g

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John Holmblad a écrit : > Jean-Christian, > Perhaps the forthcoming G4 of the IT, with its HSDPA support, if and > when it is released, will eliminate the need for the handset altogether > for those intrepid enough to replace their GSM voice provider with a > provider of SIP trunking services.

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Jean-Christian, you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. Nokia might do well run the following experiment (in situ if you will) to get a better (and sooner than 2 more generations from now) grasp

Re: Nokia device usage

Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2009, at 16:05, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Mark, >You can substitute "Motorola cell phones" for "Nokia tablets" and > your arguments will remain valid. Hardware is easier than software. > julius Now, that's just plain mean!! No company makes phones as bad a

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hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: > On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 01:06:58PM +, Matt Emson wrote: >>> 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general >>> (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free >>> Software license, let me know) >>> that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Li

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Matt Emson wrote: > See online reply. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7 Mar 2009, at 02:08, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad >> wrote: >>> I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a >>> great >>> combination. >> A couple points: >

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Mark, You can substitute "Motorola cell phones" for "Nokia tablets" and your arguments will remain valid. Hardware is easier than software. julius On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Mark wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > > John, you wrote: > >> > > [snip] > >> I have to agr

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On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 01:06:58PM +, Matt Emson wrote: > > > > 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general > > (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free > > Software license, let me know) > > that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. > > Free

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See online reply. Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2009, at 02:08, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad > wrote: >> >> I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a >> great >> combination. > > A couple points: > > 1. Apple makes proprietary,

Re: Nokia device usage

John Holmblad a écrit : > Jean-Chirstian, > > you have put into words a good operational definition of the mass market > for the context of this discussion, that is: > >"...people that don't have some technical orientation" > > Like many companies, Nokia seems to have been fooled in

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad wrote: > > I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great > combination. A couple points: 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple la

Re: Nokia device usage

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > John, you wrote: >> > [snip] >> I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to >> the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market >> mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in prog

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On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 04:20:22PM +, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > > On the other hand, I am sure I will never see an AD for a device that > even think to mention about the shortcomings of the device they are > about to advertise. The closest I've seen to this outside of drug ads in medical jou

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John, you wrote: > [snip] > I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to > the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market > mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress (I > agree, they are, unfortunately)  that will take 5 g

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Jean-Chirstian, you have put into words a good operational definition of the mass market for the context of this discussion, that is: "...people that don't have some technical orientation" Like many companies, Nokia seems to have been fooled into thinking that the mass market as on

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Andrew, Mark is on to something here and it has everything to do with how a company shapes consumer perception of its product over a period of time as the product is deployed into the market. The fact is, that, when is comes to marketing, few corporations can be accused of intellectual honesty

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ognen Duzlevski > > Andrew Daviel wrote: > >> I think I used >> mencoder dvd://5 -oac twolame -twolameopts br=64 -ovc lavc -lavcopts >> vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=4/3:vbitrate=512 -vf scale=480:288 -idx -ffourcc >> DIVX -quiet -o jackjack2.avi > > This actually worked. Tha

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Andrew, Andrew Daviel wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > >> I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone >> could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. > I pulled the mplayer recipe out of the Java program and substituted > twolame (which

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Scott wrote: > Most people have over inflated expectations about what technology in > general can do... we can thank the marketing departments of the world > for that.  Its just like when your ISP says you get 3mb transfer > speeds but really its a maximum of 3mb..

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> If Maemo Mapper would use the *vector* OSM data and do routing on the >> device > > this obviously would be great. But hey, it's open source, you can hack it :) . Maybe you can, but I can't. I really wish I did have those sk

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Most people have over inflated expectations about what technology in general can do... we can thank the marketing departments of the world for that. Its just like when your ISP says you get 3mb transfer speeds but really its a maximum of 3mb... and how they say 3mb meaning megabit rather t

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Matt Emson wrote: > On 6 Mar 2009, at 18:16, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Ognen, > >I'm sorry that you took offence at my joke. This really was a > > joke, but obviously poorly worded. > > > >I find it mildly amusing that people complain about N810 > > functionality

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Hi Mark, > If Maemo Mapper would use the *vector* OSM data and do routing on the > device this obviously would be great. But hey, it's open source, you can hack it :) . IMO MaemoMapper is an excellent open source app, though one always desires even more features. > (and were a bit more stable,

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On 6 Mar 2009, at 18:16, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Ognen, >I'm sorry that you took offence at my joke. This really was a > joke, but obviously poorly worded. > >I find it mildly amusing that people complain about N810 > functionality and the need to add application at the same breath

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The giant stand emblazoned with Nokia N800 blurb and with an N800 attached to it was always a give away. Displayed in PC World right next to consumer laptops and other PDA like devices. Nowhere did it mention that consumers should avoid the device. If there was no PR, no one would own any of

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On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Mark wrote: > On the box, at the Point of Sale, even what you and all the other > rabid defenders are saying. You flat out deny that the tablets have > any failings. Your comeback is always that the problem is always with > people's expectations, never with the devices.

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Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, OgnenD wrote: > > >> Not even going to comment. I think you need to re-read your email and reflect >> on your communication skills. Pretty uncivilized, in my opinion. >> >> Thanks, >> Ognen >> > > Ognen, > > OK I apologize. I didn´t

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> > I'm not crazy about out of the box experience and it annoys me to >> > see on N8x0 the same counter productive underhanded tactics

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Ryan Abel wrote: > On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Mark wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Fernando Cassia >> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps I get emotional after the messages like "I will never buy a >>> Nokia product again" from people who act with outrage as if s

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On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Mark wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Fernando Cassia > wrote: >> Perhaps I get emotional after the messages like "I will never buy a >> Nokia product again" from people who act with outrage as if someone >> sold them a faulty item that breaks in a millon pi

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Ryan Abel wrote: > On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > I'm not crazy about out of the box experience and it annoys me to > > see on N8x0 the same counter productive underhanded tactics used my > > MS - > > the teaser apps you have to pay for later. > >

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Perhaps I get emotional after the messages like "I will never buy a > Nokia product again" from people who act with outrage as if someone > sold them a faulty item that breaks in a millon pieces in the first > week of use. > The outrage is

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Ognen, I'm sorry that you took offence at my joke. This really was a joke, but obviously poorly worded. I find it mildly amusing that people complain about N810 functionality and the need to add application at the same breath praising Iphones and saying how they were able to downlo

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Eero Tamminen escribió: > Skype video requires significantly more power than for example Gtalk > video (which the device supports) and has quite strict latency > requirements (the call drops if Skype doesn't get enough CPU). Great! Now I know the technical reasons, but I still don't know why thi

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: > > The concept is good, the hardware too. I think that the most opportunity > to progress is in the usability of the applications. Too much small bugs > or frustrating interface prevent to make the current tablet enjoyable > for peop

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, OgnenD wrote: > > Not even going to comment. I think you need to re-read your email and reflect > on your communication skills. Pretty uncivilized, in my opinion. > > Thanks, > Ognen Ognen, OK I apologize. I didn´t know you had a CS degree and knew the difference

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Eero Tamminen wrote: > Hi, > > ext Mark wrote: >>> >>> Do you have some (e.g. 3rd party app) running in the background >>> taking CPU?  Or something that frequently polls network >>> (Do you switch it to offline mode when you don't use it)? >>> Or doesn't allow the

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Ognen Duzlevski a écrit : > Hello, > > I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone > could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. Hello, I own a N770. a N800 and a N810. I use a Nokia 6600 Slide for call, SMS, photo, agenda and modem. I hope that the next

Re: Nokia device usage

Hi, ext Mark wrote: >> Do you have some (e.g. 3rd party app) running in the background >> taking CPU? Or something that frequently polls network >> (Do you switch it to offline mode when you don't use it)? >> Or doesn't allow the display to blank when you don't use the device? > > I can't speak

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Hi, ext Alejandro López wrote: >> To assess whether this was a realistic expectation, were there other >> mobile devices[1] which provided Skype *video*calls when you bought >> the device? >> >> [1] mobile = ones that are same size or smaller, see my earlier >> mail about power consumption & h

Re: Nokia device usage

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > I'm trying to turn a flaming trollfest into something more > constructive. Instead of calling me names, can you actually respond to > my question: what has Nokia advertised that you can do on the device, > that you can only do by opening X Term

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I am a very savy computer user. Started in Dos 3.3, wrote programs in Basic on and apple 2, worked my way thru windows and now have a job supporting Mac laptops for a school... so a fair amount of "bike experience". My geek desk has various desktops ranging from Windows 2000 - Vista, a de

Re: Nokia device usage

Hi Eero, Eero Tamminen wrote: > Hi, > > To assess whether this was a realistic expectation, were there other > mobile devices[1] which provided Skype *video*calls when you bought > the device? > > [1] mobile = ones that are same size or smaller, see my earlier > mail about power consumption

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