Re: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Tuomas Kulve

I wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3 measurements:

http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/

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Re: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Max Maher
On Saturday 07 November 2009 11:55:52 Tuomas Kulve wrote:
 I wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3 measurements:
 
 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
 
Wow, awseome! thanks for that very interessting blog entry. 

Regards,
Max
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RE: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Igor.Stoppa
hi,

From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf 
Of ext Tuomas Kulve [tuo...@kulve.fi]
Sent: 07 November 2009 12:55
To: maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: N900 battery duration

 I. wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3 measurements:
 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/

Sorry to again make these comments after you have run the measurement.
But in your cases you are seeing an offset due to the speaker protection 
algorythms.
Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.

igor
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Re: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Tuomas Kulve
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:

 Sorry to again make these comments after you have run the measurement.
 But in your cases you are seeing an offset due to the speaker protection 
 algorythms.
 Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.

Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
than Ogg?

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RE: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Igor.Stoppa

Tuomas Kulve wrote:

 igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:

 Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.

 Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
 than Ogg?

It should be the same, but since you are interested in the power
consumption of the decoding activity - if i understood correctly -
then you get an unknown term, which can also have 2nd order
effects due to the different timing and choices that both cpuidle
and cpufreq could make.

iow, if you have time, it might be interesting to run the test again
with an headset.

igpr
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Re: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Tuomas Kulve
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
 It should be the same, but since you are interested in the power
 consumption of the decoding activity - if i understood correctly -
 then you get an unknown term, which can also have 2nd order
 effects due to the different timing and choices that both cpuidle
 and cpufreq could make.
 
 iow, if you have time, it might be interesting to run the test again
 with an headset.

I was more interested to know the difference between the mp3 and ogg.
But I'm also interested to know the difference between the headphones
connected and not connected.

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Re: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Jean-Christian de Rivaz
Hello,

igor.sto...@nokia.com a écrit :
 Tuomas Kulve wrote:
 
 igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
 
 Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.
 
 Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
 than Ogg?
 
 It should be the same, but since you are interested in the power
 consumption of the decoding activity - if i understood correctly -
 then you get an unknown term, which can also have 2nd order
 effects due to the different timing and choices that both cpuidle
 and cpufreq could make.

But how the speaker protection algorythms can make a difference between
ffvorbis and libvorbis since the output should be exactly the same ?

Jean-Christian
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RE: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Igor.Stoppa
Tuomas Kulve wrote:

 I was more interested to know the difference between the mp3 and ogg.

Then i think it's more appropriate to do it with headset.

Unless yourl typical usecase is really to listen from the speakers - in which
 case i'd rather recommend to use the fm transmitter and larger speakers
from a radio.


igor
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RE: N900 battery duration

2009-11-07 Thread Igor.Stoppa
Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote:

 But how the speaker protection algorythms can make a difference between
 ffvorbis and libvorbis since the output should be exactly the same ?

both cpuidle and cpufreq target the next state based on activity and
idleness thresholds.

if the algos add just enough to cross any limit that otherwise would not be 
passed, they can
have quite an influence.

especially if the performance of the 2 decoders is isgnificantly different.

Think about a thrshold-based tax system, if you want a (loose) analogy.

igor
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